supporting our troops??
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Re: RE: supporting our troops??
RIGHT!
And you think we have a problem.............
Are you sure Aushwitz isn't in Kent?
Blackleaf said:
RIGHT!
And you think we have a problem.............
Are you sure Aushwitz isn't in Kent?
I just read the title of this thread......do you guys think just maybe you could get back on topic?
Error repoort, error report. We do not club seals, they are HARPOONED just like we HARPOON sword fish. The pictures of men clubing white seals was a media ploy by the Hug the tree, wales, weed smoking crowd. Another error report: White baby Harp seals are not clubbed or HARPOONED it is illegal to kill them.
Seal Hunt Facts Canada Doesn't Want You to Know
Each year, hundreds of thousands of baby harp seals are slaughtered on the ice fields off Canada's east coast for their pelts. Over 95% of the seals killed during this hunt are just days or weeks old.
If you were to witness this cruelty personally, your heart would break. Newborn seals skinned or bled alive ... clubbed to death ... or shot and left wounded to die under the ice.
In the past three years, nearly one million baby seals have been clubbed or shot to death. Shockingly, the hunt is subsidized by the Canadian government!
Canada's Seal Hunt: "Unacceptably Inhumane"
Throughout the world, Canada is known and highly respected for its progressive systems of health care, education and values. The senseless cruelty of the seal hunt is one value they'd rather keep out of the world's eye. Here's the true story.
"The Canadian government insists that the seal hunt is an animal production industry like any other. They say that it might not be pretty, but basically it is just like any abattoir except on the ice. But we found obvious levels of suffering which would not be tolerated in any other animal industry in the world."
Ian Robinson, British Veterinarian
Two separate veterinary reports that studied the 2001 seal hunt, one commissioned by the Canadian government, show numerous instances where animals were clubbed or shot and not rendered immediately unconscious.
Together, the two reports also document that a number of animals each year are hooked and dragged across the ice while still conscious and some of these are still alive by the time they reach the decks of sealing vessels.
Here’s what one such international team of five independent veterinarians found:
*79% of the sealers did not check to see if an animal was dead before skinning it.
*In 40% of the kills a sealer had to strike the seal a second time, presumably because it was still conscious after the first blow or shot.
*42% of killed seals examined were found to have minimal or no fractures, suggesting a high probability that these seals were conscious when skinned.
*The veterinarian team concluded that the existing regulations were neither being respected nor enforced, and that the seal hunt is resulting in considerable and unacceptable suffering.
More Than 660 Probable Seal Abuses Caught on Tape
IFAW has submitted video evidence of more than 660 probable violations of Canada’s Marine Mammal Regulations to the Department of Fisheries and Oceans. These abuses include skinning or bleeding live seals, stockpiling dead and dying animals, dragging live seals across the ice with sharpened steel hooks and shooting seals and leaving them to suffer. To date, not a single charge has been laid in response.
The Department of Fisheries and Oceans says it is committed to proposing new regulations to address what it sees as the critical hunt issues. The International Fund for Animal Welfare stresses, however, that it is impossible to effectively regulate any commercial seal hunt. Unpredictable weather and ice conditions, combined with the difficulties inherent in killing a large number of wild animals very quickly, will always add up to cruelty.
http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=21446
Blackleaf if you are going to post information keep it accurate and un-biased. I don't travel to England and start screaming at you with a private agenda. Read my post above, we don't club seals WE HARPOON THEM.
RE: supporting our troops
Black leaf, I wouldn't say that "ripping foxes to shreds by a pack of dogs is more humane."
I haven't seen the seal hunt personally, but if the club is made to the head in a direct hard blow, the animal dies quite quickly. Being torn apart by a bunch of hounds wouldn’t be that instantaneous. And to be honest they cull hogs with a blow to the head all the time on hog farms when one appears to be sick, etc.
As far as the seal hunt is concerned, I don't have an opinion at this time as I'm not informed enough to really comment.
There are instances however when a group of animals (deer for example) reach a level of population where the natural habitat isn’t enough to sustain the numbers. When that happens animals can suffer through a long process of starvation. At which point, it might be humane to cull numbers sad as that may seem.
Black leaf, I wouldn't say that "ripping foxes to shreds by a pack of dogs is more humane."
I haven't seen the seal hunt personally, but if the club is made to the head in a direct hard blow, the animal dies quite quickly. Being torn apart by a bunch of hounds wouldn’t be that instantaneous. And to be honest they cull hogs with a blow to the head all the time on hog farms when one appears to be sick, etc.
As far as the seal hunt is concerned, I don't have an opinion at this time as I'm not informed enough to really comment.
There are instances however when a group of animals (deer for example) reach a level of population where the natural habitat isn’t enough to sustain the numbers. When that happens animals can suffer through a long process of starvation. At which point, it might be humane to cull numbers sad as that may seem.
RE: supporting our troops
This is from a government page of Fisheries and Ocean Canada.
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque/faq_e.htm
6. What types of weapons are used to kill seals?
Sealers use a variety of tools to hunt seals. Ninety per cent of sealers on the ice floes on the Front (in the waters east of Newfoundland), where the majority of the hunt occurs, use firearms. Sealers in the Magdelen Islands (Gulf of St. Lawrence) and on Quebec's Lower North Shore traditionally use clubs or hakapiks. A hakapik is an efficient tool designed to kill the animal quickly and humanely. Marine Mammal Regulations state that sealers must strike the seal on the skull a minimum of two times, and administer a blinking eye test.
This is from a government page of Fisheries and Ocean Canada.
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque/faq_e.htm
6. What types of weapons are used to kill seals?
Sealers use a variety of tools to hunt seals. Ninety per cent of sealers on the ice floes on the Front (in the waters east of Newfoundland), where the majority of the hunt occurs, use firearms. Sealers in the Magdelen Islands (Gulf of St. Lawrence) and on Quebec's Lower North Shore traditionally use clubs or hakapiks. A hakapik is an efficient tool designed to kill the animal quickly and humanely. Marine Mammal Regulations state that sealers must strike the seal on the skull a minimum of two times, and administer a blinking eye test.
Blackleaf said:
Seal Hunt Facts Canada Doesn't Want You to Know
http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=21446
First of all , this article doesnt talk about the fact that seal population tripled since the 70's,because since that time, there is limitation for hunt seal, the article doesnt mention the fact that seal eat mostly cod, and those same cod population is degrading since that time.
Apperently in the usa and uk, seal means more than innoncent victims in iraq and afganisthan.
Re: RE: supporting our troops??
1. You should call yourself ignorant, not colpy, just because you dont check anything before posting, first of all check out this link
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9908/06/iraq.sanctions/
The United Nations estimates 1 million Iraqis, mostly children, have died under the sanctions. The Al-Thawra newspaper gave a higher death toll, claiming 1.5 million people have died as a result of the embargo.
1.5 or 1 millions is just still a genocide, and an entire generations that died.
2.Second of all, 63 bn was given to the iraqies during 13 years of sanctions, saddam hussein stole in bribes 750 millions out of this, which is even less than 1% of the total budget, the bush administration and blair cut 4bn in aid in october 2001 to the iraqies.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/sanction/iraq1/2001/1129hostage.htm
The most recent report of the UN secretary-general, in October 2001, says that the US and UK governments' blocking of $4bn of humanitarian supplies is by far the greatest constraint on the implementation of the oil-for-food programme. The report says that, in contrast, the Iraqi government's distribution of humanitarian supplies is fully satisfactory (as it was when we headed this programme). The death of some 5-6,000 children a month is mostly due to contaminated water, lack of medicines and malnutrition. The US and UK governments' delayed clearance of equipment and materials is responsible for this tragedy, not Baghdad
Yes there was some medecine banned during the sanctions, i strongly suggest you to check your facts before blatering speculations.
Colpy said:
1. You should call yourself ignorant, not colpy, just because you dont check anything before posting, first of all check out this link
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9908/06/iraq.sanctions/
The United Nations estimates 1 million Iraqis, mostly children, have died under the sanctions. The Al-Thawra newspaper gave a higher death toll, claiming 1.5 million people have died as a result of the embargo.
1.5 or 1 millions is just still a genocide, and an entire generations that died.
2.Second of all, 63 bn was given to the iraqies during 13 years of sanctions, saddam hussein stole in bribes 750 millions out of this, which is even less than 1% of the total budget, the bush administration and blair cut 4bn in aid in october 2001 to the iraqies.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/sanction/iraq1/2001/1129hostage.htm
The most recent report of the UN secretary-general, in October 2001, says that the US and UK governments' blocking of $4bn of humanitarian supplies is by far the greatest constraint on the implementation of the oil-for-food programme. The report says that, in contrast, the Iraqi government's distribution of humanitarian supplies is fully satisfactory (as it was when we headed this programme). The death of some 5-6,000 children a month is mostly due to contaminated water, lack of medicines and malnutrition. The US and UK governments' delayed clearance of equipment and materials is responsible for this tragedy, not Baghdad
Yes there was some medecine banned during the sanctions, i strongly suggest you to check your facts before blatering speculations.
Re: RE: supporting our troops??
Doesn't change a thing.
Where do you think the UN collected the numbers from?
aeon said:
Doesn't change a thing.
Where do you think the UN collected the numbers from?
Well I see Blackleaf was being his usual snobby self today.
Hey Blackleaf you want the US and Canada to join Britain into the 21st century? Here's an answer, go f*ck yourself. This is the new world buddy, you're old news. Want proof? You still carry the monarchy around. It's an idea that makes even less sense than giving a Palestinian with a ticking parcel a bus pass.
Hey Blackleaf you want the US and Canada to join Britain into the 21st century? Here's an answer, go f*ck yourself. This is the new world buddy, you're old news. Want proof? You still carry the monarchy around. It's an idea that makes even less sense than giving a Palestinian with a ticking parcel a bus pass.