supporting our troops??

[FiveParadox]

Good evening, I think not; how are you?

I am not going to get in on the monarchy debate, 'cause you know where I stand.

It's better that way, hehe. Anyway, back to the topic of the Canadian Forces, of course I support them. Anyone who would not support the Forces (the institution, as opposed to the endeavours or missions thereof) should reconsider — when it comes right down to it, sure, we have not had any huge need for the Forces in domestic situations (save emergencies caused by dear Mother Nature, of course) in the recent past. However, to think that such a need is never going to arise would be unwise, and we should acknowledge and support them, at the very least, for defending Canada (notwithstanding the rest of the amazing things they do for the rest of the world).

 

[Mogz]

RE: supporting our troops

You're the Queen's people - do does that mean the Queen can club you all to death?

Go preach that rhetoric in Australia. Canadians are no more the "Queens people" than Americans are.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: supporting our troops??

Doesn't change a thing.

Where do you think the UN collected the numbers from?

Do you read ??


The United Nations estimates 1 million Iraqis, mostly children, have died under the sanctions. The Al-Thawra newspaper gave a higher death toll, claiming 1.5 million people have died as a result of the embargo.


No us officials has denied those numbers.......



On May 10, 1996, appearing on 60 Minutes, Madeleine Albright (then U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations) was presented with a figure of half a million children under five having died from the sanctions. Not challenging this figure, she infamously replied "we think the price is worth it," though she later rued the comment as "stupid."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_sanctions



I strongly suggest you to check out your facts before talking about iraq situation with me, i ve been following the conflict for a very long time, which was from 1982.

 

[aeon]

Well I see Blackleaf was being his usual snobby self today.

Hey Blackleaf you want the US and Canada to join Britain into the 21st century? Here's an answer, go f*ck yourself. This is the new world buddy, you're old news. Want proof? You still carry the monarchy around. It's an idea that makes even less sense than giving a Palestinian with a ticking parcel a bus pass.

What is wrong with palestinians?? palestinians are human being just like you and me, always keep that in mind.

 

[Mogz]

RE: supporting our troops

What is wrong with palestinians?? palestinians are human being just like you and me, always keep that in mind.

Get off your moral high horse. ITN never said there was anything wrong with Palestinians. He was pointing out the folly of giving a Palestinian with a ticking package a bus pass. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: supporting our troops

What is wrong with palestinians?? palestinians are human being just like you and me, always keep that in mind.

Get off your moral high horse. ITN never said there was anything wrong with Palestinians. He was pointing out the folly of giving a Palestinian with a ticking package a bus pass. Makes perfect sense to me.

I stopped paying attention to him a long time ago. He has nothing new to offer.

 

[Mogz]

RE: supporting our troops

Eh, it's kind of like the cortez/beaver thing for me. I generally just skim their posts, but every now and then I feel the need to comment, just to keep myself fresh in their minds. Helps them learn who their betters are

Cue the retaliatory posts.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I find it ironic that the word morality is thrown around so easily here. Is it moral to stand by when Woman are oppressed, executed and sexually mutilated? Is it moral to lower ones eyes rather than step up and fight against tyranny murder and extremism?

Was it moral when so many Europeans looked the other way as Poles, Jews, Russians and yes even Christians were marched into gas chambers and crematoriums?

Is it moral this objection on the grounds of immorality. I do not support the war in Iraq, but I hold a good thought for the many young people over there doing their duty and as for Afghanistan. If you can't support that then what moral high ground do you bellow from?

It is the lack of understanding that this very post is an exclamation point on why we must fight the oppressors, the censors and the murderers.

Your very right to pen such nonsense is afforded to you by the blood of soldiers, not teachers or reporters or politicians.

Damned straight the mission should be supported! It was debated when the Liberals held the balance of power and the leader of the NDP was too busy with his own agenda to attend that debate.

It's easy to oppose from the opposition, but hard to lead by example. Something our Government is finally doing!

Cheers
M

 

[Mogz]

RE: supporting our troops

Your very right to pen such nonsense is afforded to you by the blood of soldiers, not teachers or reporters or politicians.

Damned straight the mission should be supported! It was debated when the Liberals held the balance of power and the leader of the NDP was too busy with his own agenda to attend that debate.

It's easy to oppose from the opposition, but hard to lead by example. Something our Government is finally doing!

I tried that approach with them already bud. I was called a "propaganda machine" if my memory serves me correct. According to many of the ingrates on these forums, the CF does nothing to defend their rights or even protect them. What they fail to realize is the right to speak in such a crass manner was bought and payed for with the blood of generations before them. The instrument used to carve out our society was not a pen, but a rifle.

 

[Doryman]

I also find that sickening.

That's nice.
:lol:


I found the picture somewhat funny, being as it is so overtly offensive to the uninformed twits who rush in on my Island demanding an end to an industry they know nothing about, and putting forth the same tired arguments again and again...

"Apperently in the usa and uk, seal means more than innoncent victims in iraq and afganisthan."

HAHA!! We don't agree on much, aeon, but I like that one. A local journalist put it best.. " They are starving in Africa, dying in Iraq, and homeless all across the nation... But Paul Mcartney takes up the fight agains a few hundred fishermen and the oppressed seal population. John Lennon must be rolling in horror on the other side of Strawberry fields."


In any case, Blackleaf, most of us no longer club seals. Greenpeace convinced us that numerous bullet wounds to the body are more humane than one quick blow to the head, so we play by their rules.

And before you go tossing money to these anti-sealing organizations and buying into the rhetoric. Read up on what that money actually does. The Sealing protests are PETA's biggest moneymaker, even Paul Watson admitted (years ago) that the seal hunt is not a very important issue, and is only kept on the table because it makes MILLIONS for the organization.

Now, I've lived in Newfoundland my entire life, and I've seen these protestors every year. They show up, make a racket, collect their cash and bugger off until next time. What do they do with the money? With the cash they make they could have bought out every sealing license in the province, for every year since the mid 70's. They never have. They could just as easily have paid the sealers the same amount they would have made sealing, NOT to go to the front, without even putting a dent in their finances. They never have. Why? Really, am I supposed to believe that in huge multi-million dollar organizations like these, no-one has EVER thought up these ideas?

They never try to stop it, because they don't want to lose the cash cow. Pictures of fluffy Seals bring in more more pictures of sawn-down trees.

 

[FiveParadox]

HAHA!! We don't agree on much, aeon, but I like that one. A local journalist put it best.. " They are starving in Africa, dying in Iraq, and homeless all across the nation... But Paul Mcartney takes up the fight agains a few hundred fishermen and the oppressed seal population. John Lennon must be rolling in horror on the other side of Strawberry fields."

I would think that such is exactly the sentiment that the Honourable Céline Hervieux-Payette, P.C., a Senator for Québec and the Senatorial Division of Bedford had intended to express when she responded to an e-mail she received a few days ago (albeit perhaps somewhat inappropriately).

Hon. Céline Hervieux-Payette[/color], P.C.,]What I find 'horrific' about your country is the daily killing of innocent people in Iraq, the execution of mainly black prisoners in U.S., the massive sale of guns to U.S. citizens every day, the destabilization of the whole world by the aggressive foreign policy of U.S. government, etc.

Click here to read the entire article in English.
Cet article est épuisé en français.

 

[Doryman]

Re: RE: supporting our troops??

No, it isn't a blood sport - but it's still sick.

If someone clubbed your baby to death, it won't be a blood sport, but you'd find it sick.

The clubbing to death of baby seals is one reason why some people around the world look down on Canada.

Even ripping foxes to shreds by a pack of dogs is more humane.

So... you'd be wlling to let some dogs rip your baby to shreds, then? How is a massive drawn-out dog attack more humane than deliberately shooting or clubbing an animal? The idea is to kill quickly, not chase the bloody thing around the Atlantic until it's exhausted...

Seriously, i doubt logic even exists anymore.

And here's a little bit of education for you good folks.

http://www.cdfe.org/seal_hunt_lies.htm

http://www.animalrights.net/81631

http://www.maninnature.com/MMammals/Seals/Seals1h.html


That'll probably be all from me, I apologize for hi-jacking the thread.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: supporting our troops??

I find it ironic that the word morality is thrown around so easily here. Is it moral to stand by when Woman are oppressed, executed and sexually mutilated? Is it moral to lower ones eyes rather than step up and fight against tyranny murder and extremism?

It is if you hate America, that's more important to some people. Keep the hate going.

 

[cortez]

definition of someone who is----- anti-american
someone who agrees with the american left.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: supporting our troops??

definition of someone who is----- anti-american
someone who agrees with the american left.

Really? I must be anti-American then and never knew it.

 

[Jay]

I feel an Ann Coulter quote coming on.....

 

[cortez]

no you dont qualify
americans who agree with the american left are ALLOWED to voice their concerns regarding important issues such as illegal war without being labelled antiamerican-- maybe
others ---
ie canadians french etc
are not

calling someone anti american is a pure cop out
an EVASION

transparently so

remember this
after 9-11
we witnessed a genuine world wide solidarity with the american people-- myself included
but then their govn decided to perform a graeter crime and -- are the world judged accordingly---

there will be this perceived
anti american hate you speak of
so long as there are wars of aggression-- no matter how they are rationalized

despite japans bloody history ie ww2
one doesnt get the feeling that there too much antijapaneese sentiment out there
because thats part of their past--
yes i know thanks to the USA-- sincerely thanks---ww2 WAS a legitmate war--
as fa as the us was concerned it WAS about self defense


when the aggressive phase of american history is part of the past- so will criticism of it

in post american empire future i dont see any ONE nation dominating

personally i hope it becomes an international stalemate with respect to wars of aggression-- so that no one can make a move of that kind--but they remain armed as a deterent

as a canadian i try to hold my country to the same standard-- and will even more visciously criticize our screw ups-- so then im labelled anti canadian by my gun ho militarist fellow citizens

i really dont care

i do thank you though for your insightfull post-no joke

its made me realize that perhaps your right i am anti-something --
naively anti ( insert any nation) that breaks a higher human moral code that transends mere statehood
ill admit --thats naive

my real hobby is music
i in fact hate politics
and the bitterness it brings

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: supporting our troops

Get off your moral high horse. ITN never said there was anything wrong with Palestinians. He was pointing out the folly of giving a Palestinian with a ticking package a bus pass. Makes perfect sense to me.

Suggesting they are all terrorist, that is what ITN meant.
They are human just like you and me, just like you and me, they don t like to be occupied, just like any human around the world , they dont like being oppressed, just like any human around the world, they would love to have the same human rights just like us.Always keep that in mind.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: supporting our troops

Suggesting they are all terrorist, that is what ITN meant.

Do all Palestinians carry a ticking parcel? That is not what I meant, and don't presume you know what I mean more than I do.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: supporting our troops

Eh, it's kind of like the cortez/beaver thing for me. I generally just skim their posts, but every now and then I feel the need to comment, just to keep myself fresh in their minds. Helps them learn who their betters are

Cue the retaliatory posts.

You havent skim anything at all with me, kind of guy like you and ITN, are just too easy to put down, you guys have absotly no opinion on nothing, u just repeat what the media told you.Just like colpy, i trashed him badly.