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[einmensch]

Support of what? Some guy harassing the Weasel? You continue to focus on others being foolish and how tough you are present yourself like a little schoolboy. Wiesel the great man is a liar.

Elie Wiesel won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1986. He is generally accepted as a witness to the Jewish "Holocaust," and, more specifically, as a witness to the legendary Nazi extermination gas chambers.

In an autobiographical book that supposedly describes his experiences at Auschwitz and Buchenwald, he nowhere mentions the gas chambers. [2] He does indeed say that the Germans executed Jews, but ... by fire; by throwing them alive into flaming ditches, before the very eyes of the deportees!
Forced to choose from among several Allied war propaganda lies, he chose to defend the fire lie instead of the boiling water, gassing, or electrocution lies. In 1956, when he published his testimony in Yiddish, the fire lie was still alive in certain circles. This lie is the origin of the term Holocaust. Today there is no longer a single historian who believes that Jews were burned alive. The myths of the boiling water and of electrocution have also disappeared. Only the gas remains.

Wiesel writes:
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Not far from us, flames were leaping from a ditch, gigantic flames. They were burning something. A lorry drew up at the pit and delivered its load -- little children. Babies! Yes, I saw it -- saw it with my own eyes ... Those children in the flames. (Is it surprising that I could not sleep after that? Sleep has fled from my eyes.)
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Later, I learn from a witness that, for month after month, the ground never stopped trembling; and that, from time to time, geysers of blood spurted from it.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]That Wiesel personally survived, was, of course, the result of a miracle. He says that at:[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular] Buchenwald they sent 10,000 persons to their deaths each day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of hate -- healthy, virile hate -- for what the German personifies and for what persists in the German. To do otherwise would be a betrayal of the dead.[/FONT]

Simon Wiesenthal Center website uses altered Auschwitz photo! <<Simon Wiesenthal

Colpy kneel to your liars, kiss their feet but for those of you who can read and think--search Wiesel-the liar and falsifier--no shortage of information

But I guess Wiesel is permitted free speech-Rudolph is not.


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[El Barto]

Are threats part of freedom of speach?
I think theres too much fuss over it in the snese that some paint it as a free for all to say anything. To me i think thats wrong. Freedom of speach has to come with reponsability.
What is sad tho, hate speach, don't know what t call it, unfortunately has effect on people. We are after all pretty much jar heads. Just like politcal negative campaings. Theres no intent for truth.

I think we should be focusing more on the rights for truth instead.

 

[JLM]

Maybe before we get too bent out of shape over free speech some people should learn how to spell it LOL

 

[El Barto]

Maybe before we get too bent out of shape over free speech some people should learn how to spell it LOL

Umm ask the OP that too.
too lazy for the spell check


Nah , I'm making it my stance , right here and now .
Drop the 'e' and ad the 'a' .....thats how we speek too :bootyshake:

 

[JLM]

Umm ask the OP that too.
too lazy for the spell check


Nah , I'm making it my stance , right here and now .
Drop the 'e' and ad the 'a' .....thats how we speek too :bootyshake:

Good thinking Bart.

 

[El Barto]

Good thinking Bart.

I'm defiant to the bitter rear-end ;-)

 

[einmensch]

Your avatar demonstrates frie spiech, El Barto?

 

[ironsides]

In case you have not noticed, you can say what ever you want. Say the wrong thing and someone may knock you over. Freedom of speech along with Freedom of expression.

 

[El Barto]

Your avatar demonstrates frie spiech, El Barto?

nein :tongue3:

 

[In Between Man]

Support Free Speech for everyone!

From the news:

WASHINGTON, Nov. 16

The United States Supreme Court has refused to hear the case of a high school valedictorian whose microphone was turned off by school officials after she began speaking about the part her Christian beliefs played in her success in life. Attorneys for The Rutherford Institute had asked the Court to hear the case of Brittany McComb, charging that school officials violated McComb's free speech rights and engaged in viewpoint discrimination when they censored her speech because of its Christian content. The Court issued the order denying the petition without additional explanation.

"This is a sad day for the cause of freedom," said John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute. "When the Supreme Court cannot clear their calendar to hear a case of this magnitude, then our freedoms are in jeopardy. Such censorship and discrimination should not be permitted in America."

In the spring of 2006, Brittany McComb was one of three valedictorians chosen based on their grade-point averages to give a speech at Foothill High School's annual commencement ceremony. Each valedictorian was provided with "suggestions" for crafting their speeches. However, school officials neither encouraged nor forbade the students to include or exclude religious content from their speeches. In her speech, Brittany reflected on past experiences and lessons learned at school and wrote about the emptiness she experienced from accomplishments, achievements and failures in her early high school years.

She then mentioned the fulfillment and satisfaction she later came to experience in something greater than herself, namely, in God's love, and Christ. Upon receiving a copy of Brittany's draft speech, school administrators proceeded to censor her speech, deleting all three Bible references, several references to "the Lord" and the only mention of the word "Christ." Believing that the district's censorship of her speech amounted to a violation of her right to free speech, on June 15, 2006, Brittany attempted to deliver the original version of her speech in which she talked about the role that her Christian beliefs played in her success.

The moment Brittany began to speak the words, school officials cut off her microphone. Despite extensive jeers from the audience over the school officials' actions, McComb was not permitted to finish her valedictory speech. With the assistance of The Rutherford Institute, Brittany McComb filed a First Amendment lawsuit against Foothill High School officials in July 2006. In June 2007, the U.S. District Court for Nevada rejected the school district's second attempt to have the case dismissed and affirmed that the lawsuit raises substantial claims of infringement of McComb's right of free speech. School officials subsequently appealed to the Court of Appeals, which dismissed the case, holding that McComb had no right to give her speech, which it deemed to be "proselytizing."

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What a bunch of persecutors!!! :angryfire:

 

[Cliffy]

Support Free Speech for everyone!

What a bunch of persecutors!!! :angryfire:

At least they didn't burn her at the stake or draw and quarter her like the early Christians did to anybody who was different than them. Although I agree that she should have been able to express herself, I believe the rules in the US about religion in schools is rather strict. Not knowing what she was going to say, I can't comment on the content but if, like they say, she was proselytizing, then she was in err, especially if they had asked her not to. It must be strange for many Christians to have the shoe on the other foot.

 

[In Between Man]

It must be strange for many Christians to have the shoe on the other foot.

Although people persecute in the name of Christianity doesn't escape the fact that we also have freedom of speech today because of Christianity. Nations were founded by Christian people who recognized that freedom is God given and is entitled to everyone.

Also, just because Christians have persecuted in the past doesn't justify persecution towards them.

 

[Cliffy]

Although people persecute in the name of Christianity doesn't escape the fact that we also have freedom of speech today because of Christianity. Nations were founded by Christian people who recognized that freedom is God given and is entitled to everyone.

Also, just because Christians have persecuted in the past doesn't justify persecution towards them.

It sounds like you may have a persecution complex. Many Christians are on the battle front of imposing their views on everybody else - gay marriage, abortion, pornography.... This may have something to do with animosity.

 

[ironsides]

Somebody finally said it.

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[ironsides]

It sounds like you may have a persecution complex. Many Christians are on the battle front of imposing their views on everybody else - gay marriage, abortion, pornography.... This may have something to do with animosity.

Christians are not the only ones to try and force their believes on others, those others also try to enforce their beliefs/practices upon everyone else also. Animosity nothing, it promotes out right hatred from all sides.

The key word we are looking for is acceptance of others beliefs as long as it does not cause harm to others.

 

[Mowich]

My goodness. That was a pretty hate filled comment there Colpy. I support free speech, even your right to spread hate and lies about someone you don't even know.

You can usually tell you have someone 'on the run' when they descend into less than stellar language. Great post Cliffy.

 

[TenPenny]

Support Free Speech for everyone!

From the news:

WASHINGTON, Nov. 16

The United States Supreme Court has refused to hear the case of a high school valedictorian whose microphone was turned off by school officials after she began speaking about the part her Christian beliefs played in her success in life. Attorneys for The Rutherford Institute had asked the Court to hear the case of Brittany McComb, charging that school officials violated McComb's free speech rights and engaged in viewpoint discrimination when they censored her speech because of its Christian content. The Court issued the order denying the petition without additional explanation.

That's interesting. In 1970, my brother was part of a group of students that protested to the provincial dept of education when they fired the school's only guidance councillor.

That year, for the first, and only, time in its long history, the school did not appoint the person with the highest marks in Gr12 as the valedictorian, (that would have been my brother). Instead, they appointed the person with the second highest marks, something that every single student in the school noticed.

Schools have little understanding of freedom of speech, and many school admistrators are petty tyrants. However, they don't fool many people.

 

[In Between Man]

There is a very important American decision coming soon regarding FREE SPEECH. Some evangelists were spreading the good word, peacefully, on public college property and a police officer who was ordered to "push" them away REFUSED to obey the order on grounds that this would violate the constitutional rights of the open-air preachers.

Good for the police officer. Hopefully the courts make the right decision and support FREE SPEECH for EVERYONE.

Cops right to protect gospel preachers asserted in court.

 

[Corduroy]

That reminds me, the US Supreme Court is hearing a case against the Westboro Baptist Church.

Protests at military funerals The Court will decide whether members of the Westboro Baptist Church have a free speech right to protest at the funerals of fallen service members. The case was brought by Albert Snyder who sued the church after its members picketed the funeral of his son, Lance Corporal Matthew Snyder who died in Iraq. The church is composed mostly of members of the Phelps family who travel the country and protest at funerals, in part because they believe that soldiers are dying in part, because homosexuals are allowed to serve in the military. Snyder was not a homosexual. A lower court found that the church members' conduct was protected by the first amendment.

Supreme Court Returns: Hot Button Cases on Funeral Protests, Death Penalty, Immigration Law - ABC News

 

[ironsides]

That reminds me, the US Supreme Court is hearing a case against the Westboro Baptist Church.


Supreme Court Returns: Hot Button Cases on Funeral Protests, Death Penalty, Immigration Law - ABC News

They are a nasty bunch, one group of them moved out of a small town in Florida because of threats by townspeople against all 15 of them. No idea nor do I care where they ended up. You need some control over Free Speech when it hurts others and can cause a more dangerous situation.
Freedom does not mean limitless rights.