Suncor shifts focus from oilsands to solar energy

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Yes the certainly do. But only when the temperature gets warmer or colder. Strangely enough burning wood is actually carbon neutral. Unfortunately, there is simply not enough wood to sustain that sort of consumption worldwide.
I'm still waiting for you to give me some real evidence regarding the use of wood as an industrial fuel. The fact that you haven't tells me you probably can't.
How much energy is needed to turn the wood into carbon as in charcoal? Sell that in 'sugar cubes' or ' glowing logs'
 

Nick Danger

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They aren't making a profit?

Some are, some aren't. Overall cost per barrel production costs vary from company to company depending on efficiency and how much expense they have tied up in improvements and expansion. Steam based operations tend to have lower operating costs than mining operations, but just where they are in their construction program and the amount of debt servicing they are dealing with make a huge difference.
 

Bar Sinister

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I haven't ignored anything, I have challenged your points and your graphs which are simply propaganda. Heck, I was beginning to think you had me on ignore, but I guess it's easier to ignore the challenges to your very flawed logic than to debate it. I have a great many friends in the maritime provinces, work with them here in Alberta and heck I even lived there for about five years, but what the hell do I know?

The bulk of homes in the maritimes are still heated by stove oil and supplemented by burning wood.

Speaking of burning wood . Have you ever heard of a wood pellet stove?

They are hugely popular in British Columbia, my brother-inlaw has one, as do most of his neighbors in the Kamloops area. Basically, they use it for home heating and there are number of Industrial Wood Pellet producers in the area from Prince George to Vanderhoof to Kamloops to Williams Lake. So the industrial use of wood is not non-existent, it flourishes in Beautiful Environmental British Columbia.

Environmental left wing zealots like yourself crack me up. Ignore truths, because they get in the way of your agenda. Sort of like the Anti-pipeline idiots who will buy oil from Venezuela and Saudi Arabia shipping it through the canals and waterways into the Great Lakes rather than admit that shipping it from Alberta via pipeline would be far safer and better for Canada.



No, it was an el nino year, but things still froze up enough to get the supplies.

The ice isn't going anywhere. Al Gore is full of Sh!t.

Your posts are getting dimmer and dimmer. Not only do you not present a shred of evidence to support your beliefs but you actually think I am something I am not, which is a left wing environmental zealot. Of course, when you post, name-calling takes the place of intelligent commentary. I am still waiting for some actual evidence to support your assertions, but given your past record I doubt I will get any. Using pellet stoves as an example merely proves my point since you admit it is limited to places like BC and the Atlantic provinces or home use. This is hardly evidence of major industrial activity.

Just for the hell of it I looked up manufacturing in Nova Scotia. Here is a link to the Stats Can site. Manufacturing sales, by subsector, by province and territory (monthly) (Nova Scotia)

And guess what? Not a hint of wood being used as an industrial fuel anywhere.

As for glacial ice not going anywhere; it seems to have gone to Florida.
Rising Sea Levels Are Already Making Miami’s Floods Worse | WIRED

I know you don't deal with factual evidence very well, but try to soldier on.
 

petros

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Some are, some aren't. Overall cost per barrel production costs vary from company to company depending on efficiency and how much expense they have tied up in improvements and expansion. Steam based operations tend to have lower operating costs than mining operations, but just where they are in their construction program and the amount of debt servicing they are dealing with make a huge difference.
Did you know we have conventional wells pumping at full tilt with higher and higher output every damn day that only cost pocket change to operate and maintain?
 

taxslave

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Your posts are getting dimmer and dimmer. Not only do you not present a shred of evidence to support your beliefs but you actually think I am something I am not, which is a left wing environmental zealot. Of course, when you post, name-calling takes the place of intelligent commentary. I am still waiting for some actual evidence to support your assertions, but given your past record I doubt I will get any. Using pellet stoves as an example merely proves my point since you admit it is limited to places like BC and the Atlantic provinces or home use. This is hardly evidence of major industrial activity.

Just for the hell of it I looked up manufacturing in Nova Scotia. Here is a link to the Stats Can site. Manufacturing sales, by subsector, by province and territory (monthly) (Nova Scotia)

And guess what? Not a hint of wood being used as an industrial fuel anywhere.

As for glacial ice not going anywhere; it seems to have gone to Florida.
Rising Sea Levels Are Already Making Miami’s Floods Worse | WIRED

I know you don't deal with factual evidence very well, but try to soldier on.

Maybe you should try google. Learn how to use it. Virtually all pulp mills use wood for heat.Or doesn't that fit your criteria for industry?
 

mentalfloss

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They aren't making a profit?

Did you even read the OP?

Your posts are getting dimmer and dimmer. Not only do you not present a shred of evidence to support your beliefs but you actually think I am something I am not, which is a left wing environmental zealot. Of course, when you post, name-calling takes the place of intelligent commentary. I am still waiting for some actual evidence to support your assertions, but given your past record I doubt I will get any. Using pellet stoves as an example merely proves my point since you admit it is limited to places like BC and the Atlantic provinces or home use. This is hardly evidence of major industrial activity.

Just for the hell of it I looked up manufacturing in Nova Scotia. Here is a link to the Stats Can site. Manufacturing sales, by subsector, by province and territory (monthly) (Nova Scotia)

And guess what? Not a hint of wood being used as an industrial fuel anywhere.

As for glacial ice not going anywhere; it seems to have gone to Florida.
Rising Sea Levels Are Already Making Miami’s Floods Worse | WIRED

I know you don't deal with factual evidence very well, but try to soldier on.

It's the CDNBear strategy of deny and assume.
 

Nick Danger

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Did you know we have conventional wells pumping at full tilt with higher and higher output every damn day that only cost pocket change to operate and maintain?

Yes. I thought it was a given that established, light oil operations weren't exactly feeling the pinch right now, other than that they aren't doing a huge amount of new drilling. There are heavy oil operations in the oilsands that need prices well above $50 a barrel to make them profitable.
 

petros

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I did and you never answered the question.

Are they turning a profit?

Yes. I thought it was a given that established, light oil operations weren't exactly feeling the pinch right now, other than that they aren't doing a huge amount of new drilling. There are heavy oil operations in the oilsands that need prices well above $50 a barrel to make them profitable.

Why drill when you can do completions?
 

Bar Sinister

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Maybe you should try google. Learn how to use it. Virtually all pulp mills use wood for heat.Or doesn't that fit your criteria for industry?


Maybe you should read my posts. I never disputed that some industries use wood as an alternate fuel. In fact one of the sources I posted linked to that fact. If you wish I can point you to several other industries that still use wood. My point is that such use is now quite limited, especially compared to what it use to be 300 years ago when would dominated. Try proving that wrong. Since you are a master of Google I doubt you will have a problem.

Did you even read the OP?



It's the CDNBear strategy of deny and assume.

Yes, unfortunately attempting to explain things to those who are deliberately stupid in quite impossible. Right wingers in general appear to prefer dogma to intelligent commentary.
 

petros

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Nacogdoches Wood-Fired Power Project, United States of America

Texas power market

The Nacogdoches power plant is a wood-fired power-generation facility located in Sacul, Texas, about 230 miles from Austin. Southern Power, a subsidiary of Southern Company, bought it from American Renewables on 9 October 2009.

The plant has an installed capacity of 100MW, sufficient to power 70,000 homes, and can offset up to 300,000t of carbon each year. The project's ground-breaking ceremony took place in November 2009. The commercial operations of the biomass plant began in June 2012. It is the largest biomass-fuelled electricity-generating facility in the US and won the Best Bioenergy Project title for 2012, at the Power-Gen international conference.

I guess you are in denial of being a ___ ?
 

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Your posts are getting dimmer and dimmer. Not only do you not present a shred of evidence to support your beliefs but you actually think I am something I am not, which is a left wing environmental zealot. Of course, when you post, name-calling takes the place of intelligent commentary. I am still waiting for some actual evidence to support your assertions, but given your past record I doubt I will get any. Using pellet stoves as an example merely proves my point since you admit it is limited to places like BC and the Atlantic provinces or home use. This is hardly evidence of major industrial activity. ]

Your opening post on returning to this forum was to announce that you are here to straighten out all the right wingers. Since then you run your yap like a condescending know it all. Can't be much more of a zealot than that. The difference between you and I is that I will concede a point and even agree with someone on the left, while you pound the the propaganda drum. Note underlined merely proves my point. Proves what point? That the NWT and Inuvik are dependent on diesel and LNG for electricity. What point were you trying to prove? Would you like the indigenous people to give up their 4X4 and snowmobiles and go back to whaling and dog sledding? I'll address your second merely proves my point after the next quote, which coincidentally, proves my point that you either lack reading comprehension or are so steadfast in your religion that that you can't focus. Ready yourself now.

Just for the hell of it I looked up manufacturing in Nova Scotia. Here is a link to the Stats Can site. Manufacturing sales, by subsector, by province and territory (monthly) (Nova Scotia)

And guess what? Not a hint of wood being used as an industrial fuel anywhere.
I never said that there was an industrial use of wood in Nova Scotia, or PEI, or New Brunswick. I said that many homeowners are using wood in their stoves to supplement their heating. Try to keep up there BS.<-- You really didn't think through the ramifications of your nickname did you. I did mention that a lot of British Colombians use wood pelllet stoves and that there are a great deal of mills producing stove pellets.

As for glacial ice not going anywhere; it seems to have gone to Florida.
Rising Sea Levels Are Already Making Miami’s Floods Worse | WIRED

I know you don't deal with factual evidence very well, but try to soldier on.
Try to soldier on, that's a good one.:) I deal with it based on actual data, not anecdotal. Your spokespeople are dishonest, move goal posts and think Chinooks are clear evidence of global warming. I am all for less pollution, less emissions and alternate fuels. Your lot seem to be for cap and trade, new taxes and projects which do nothing to reduce the aforementioned. Here's a little tid-bit brought to the trucking industry for you to chew on if you are able to focus.

Thanks to the environmental gang a system was added to all diesel vehicles known as the DEF system. This was brought in to reduce emissions. Basically what it does to a diesel system is decreases fuel mileage by up to two miles per gallon on big trucks. It creates garbage via plastic millions of 4 liter jugs and it costs drivers roughly .80 cents a liter. It costs $9000.00 to have the DEF taken off your truck and deleted from the computer, but that cost is recouped in fuel mileage within a year. Amazingly, we took 9 of our trucks and removed this useless system and went through both the British Columbia and California emission standards and guess what?

We passed with flying colors.

Another crackpot idea that lined the pockets of some while stealing from the masses. Sort of like cap and trade.

Go find another graph.
 

mentalfloss

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Heeeeeere come the deniers.....


Canada's Suncor plans 240 MW of Alberta solar projects

March 25 (SeeNews) - Canadian energy firm Suncor Energy Inc (TSE:SU) is in the early stage of development of 240 MW of solar projects in Alberta province, which would mark its entry into the solar sector.

The company is mainly focused on oil sands development, conventional and offshore oil and gas production and petroleum refining and sale. For now, its operational renewables portfolio includes 287 MW of gross wind power capacity and an ethanol plant.

The three 80-MW solar projects are in the “very preliminary development stage”, the National Observer said Wednesday, citing spokesperson Nicole Fisher. A System Access Service Request (SASR) has been submitted to the Alberta Electric System Operator (AESO) for each one. According to the report, the solar farms are to be hooked to the grid by March 2018.

Suncor reported an operating profit of CAD 56 million (USD 42.3m/EUR 38m) from its renewable energy business in 2015, with power generation of 407 GWh and ethanol production at 418,000 cu m. It posted a consolidated net loss of CAD 2.65 billion for the year, widening from CAD 1.42 billion in 2014. In the fourth quarter alone, Suncor’s net loss was CAD 2.01 billion, mainly reflecting lower crude oil prices and impairment charges.

https://renewables.seenews.com/news/canadas-suncor-plans-240-mw-of-alberta-solar-projects-518489

Try again petros.

Spot the loss.
 

Bar Sinister

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Your opening post on returning to this forum was to announce that you are here to straighten out all the right wingers. Since then you run your yap like a condescending know it all. Can't be much more of a zealot than that. The difference between you and I is that I will concede a point and even agree with someone on the left, while you pound the the propaganda drum. Note underlined merely proves my point. Proves what point? That the NWT and Inuvik are dependent on diesel and LNG for electricity. What point were you trying to prove? Would you like the indigenous people to give up their 4X4 and snowmobiles and go back to whaling and dog sledding? I'll address your second merely proves my point after the next quote, which coincidentally, proves my point that you either lack reading comprehension or are so steadfast in your religion that that you can't focus. Ready yourself now.

I never said that there was an industrial use of wood in Nova Scotia, or PEI, or New Brunswick. I said that many homeowners are using wood in their stoves to supplement their heating. Try to keep up there BS.<-- You really didn't think through the ramifications of your nickname did you. I did mention that a lot of British Colombians use wood pelllet stoves and that there are a great deal of mills producing stove pellets.

Try to soldier on, that's a good one.:) I deal with it based on actual data, not anecdotal. Your spokespeople are dishonest, move goal posts and think Chinooks are clear evidence of global warming. I am all for less pollution, less emissions and alternate fuels. Your lot seem to be for cap and trade, new taxes and projects which do nothing to reduce the aforementioned. Here's a little tid-bit brought to the trucking industry for you to chew on if you are able to focus.

Thanks to the environmental gang a system was added to all diesel vehicles known as the DEF system. This was brought in to reduce emissions. Basically what it does to a diesel system is decreases fuel mileage by up to two miles per gallon on big trucks. It creates garbage via plastic millions of 4 liter jugs and it costs drivers roughly .80 cents a liter. It costs $9000.00 to have the DEF taken off your truck and deleted from the computer, but that cost is recouped in fuel mileage within a year. Amazingly, we took 9 of our trucks and removed this useless system and went through both the British Columbia and California emission standards and guess what?

We passed with flying colors.

Another crackpot idea that lined the pockets of some while stealing from the masses. Sort of like cap and trade.

Go find another graph.

When you post such moronic rubbish it is very hard not to be condescending. You deliberately misinterpret my post - probably the only way you are capable of making a point. Let's just say that so far as this topic is concerned you have failed to disprove my original post - and that is that wood as an industrial fuel is pretty much a thing of the past. Unless you can come up with solid evidence to disprove this then this argument is closed. I've got better things to do than argue with a fool.
 

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When you post such moronic rubbish it is very hard not to be condescending. You deliberately misinterpret my post - probably the only way you are capable of making a point. Let's just say that so far as this topic is concerned you have failed to disprove my original post - and that is that wood as an industrial fuel is pretty much a thing of the past. Unless you can come up with solid evidence to disprove this then this argument is closed. I've got better things to do than argue with a fool.

Talk about a closed mind. Does someone have to hold your hand and escort you through a facility that makes brickets for export?
 

MHz

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Retired_Can_Soldier;2266982Proves what point? That the NWT and [B said:
Inuvik[/B] are dependent on diesel and LNG for electricity. What point were you trying to prove? Would you like the indigenous people to give up their 4X4 and snowmobiles and go back to whaling and dog sledding?
They might be able to use a dog sled for the quick trips to the 'store'. Make this one electric drive and it gets plugged in at home to be recharged and has a 100 range. Make a fold out one for the 'overnight' trips, things that show them we are an asset and not a liability.
 

DaSleeper

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