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Retired_Can_Soldier

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I'll take "people who don't understand the word 'may' for $100 Alex."

Who are climate deniers?

Nice.

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Warm winter winds that baffle the Kool-aid Drinkers

Chinook.

Go ahead and have your little club with moving goal posts, but I'd appreciate it if you'd get out your greedy hand out of my pocket and stop making sh!t up.
 

Nick Danger

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Lots of houses still use wood burning stoves out here .
And we still mine a lot of coal in western Alberta and eastern B.C.
So no wood and coal did not go anywhere .

But the situation there is nowhere near stable. Governments of all stripe recognize coal as the dirtiest of the dirties, and are actively moving away from it as an energy source. This gives the Canadian public the perception that on a global scale we are being environmentally responsible, yet coal leaves the west coast by the freighter load heading for China that doesn't exactly fit the "responsible" mold. How long will our mask of green hide the underlying hypocrisy? And wood is more a fuel of convenience, restricted to areas where it is cheap and plentiful. It is becoming highly restricted in densely populated areas for the same reasons coal has lost popularity, it stinks and it's dirty.
 

pgs

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I'll take "people who don't understand the word 'may' for $100 Alex."

Who are climate deniers?


Nice.
Isn't that what you and your ilk call all who you disagree with ?

But the situation there is nowhere near stable. Governments of all stripe recognize coal as the dirtiest of the dirties, and are actively moving away from it as an energy source. This gives the Canadian public the perception that on a global scale we are being environmentally responsible, yet coal leaves the west coast by the freighter load heading for China that doesn't exactly fit the "responsible" mold. How long will our mask of green hide the underlying hypocrisy? And wood is more a fuel of convenience, restricted to areas where it is cheap and plentiful. It is becoming highly restricted in densely populated areas for the same reasons coal has lost popularity, it stinks and it's dirty.
But many here in the densely populated lower mainland still use wood burning stoves and fireplaces to provide alternative heating .
 

Nick Danger

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But many here in the densely populated lower mainland still use wood burning stoves and fireplaces to provide alternative heating .

But not without restrictions. Emissions standards have been in place for new wood-burning appliances for over twenty years now, and are currently under review.

Out of curiosity, does the cost of a cord of firewood in metro Vancouver make it feasible as a primary heat source? Or is it more of a supplemental thing?
 

pgs

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But not without restrictions. Emissions standards have been in place for new wood-burning appliances for over twenty years now, and are currently under review.

Out of curiosity, does the cost of a cord of firewood in metro Vancouver make it feasible as a primary heat source? Or is it more of a supplemental thing?
Probably supplemental and probably using new restricted appliances , but the fact remains they are still used .
 

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Lots of houses still use wood burning stoves out here .
And we still mine a lot of coal in western Alberta and eastern B.C.
So no wood and coal did not go anywhere .


You can add oil and gas to that as well.

Go ahead and have your little club with moving goal posts, but I'd appreciate it if you'd get out your greedy hand out of my pocket and stop making sh!t up.


Getting your money out of your pocket is what the Climate Change Religion is all about so do not expect it to change any time soon.
 

Nick Danger

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Probably supplemental and probably using new restricted appliances , but the fact remains they are still used .

So not a large scale thing then, more of a fringe thing in the big picture. Not so ugly as taking our own coal power plants out of the loop while lining our pockets by fueling coal plants in other countries. The thing about the global pollution issue is that it's global. Facilitating the burning of coal in China isn't a whole lot different than burning it ourselves when you get right down to it.
 

Bar Sinister

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Lots of houses still use wood burning stoves out here .
And we still mine a lot of coal in western Alberta and eastern B.C.
So no wood and coal did not go anywhere .

Really? You are splitting hairs and apparently have no idea how widespread the use of coal and wood were a century ago. Almost every home was heated by one or the other and it was also used in industry. Tell me, how many modern nations still use wood in an industrial capacity? And how many modern nations use coal as the main source of home heating and cooking?

I live in Alberta and have a wood burning fireplace, but I certainly don't use wood to heat the house when it is 30 below. I also used to live on an Alberta farm that had an automatic coal stroker for the furnace. But I'm betting that was phased out decades ago. The fact that less than five percent of the population may still use wood or coal in some capacity does not detract from the truth of my statement.

I hope to be around a few more decades. I also hope that we find an alternative energy. I'm willing to bet that oil will be around for another generation or so and that the AGW crowd will go the way of the blue suede shoes once the public wakes up to the fact that they are having their pockets picked by a bunch of crazies.




I took this video a few weeks ago approximately 200 km south of the Arctic Circle.
Amazingly, it was still frozen two years after Gore's claim.

People love quoting Al Gore when they can find evidence that he is wrong. Those same people tend to be completely ignorant of the realities of global warming. A couple of days ago I saw an article on the Franz-Joseph glacier in New Zealand. The glacier is now almost nonexistent, but when I visited the country in 1975 I went for a walk on it and my wife and I hired a plane to land us in the snowfield where it originated. Sadly both tours are now no longer possible as the glacier has shrunk to about 10% of its original size. The same thing is happening to glaciers world wide, so apparently they seem to know something that you don't.

And just to get the record straight; Al Gore is a politician and not a scientist. What about the thousands of other scientists who believe that the Earth is getting warmer. Are all of them wrong as well?

And since you are going to use anecdotal evidence to support your point of view perhaps I should mention that 90% of the snow in the Edmonton area was gone by the end of February; a full month ahead of schedule. Alberta has jut had one of the warmest and least snowy winters in recorded history and this seems to be part of a trend.
 

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Warm winter winds that baffle the Kool-aid Drinkers

Chinook.

Go ahead and have your little club with moving goal posts, but I'd appreciate it if you'd get out your greedy hand out of my pocket and stop making sh!t up.

You don't understand the word 'may'.
 

pgs

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Really? You are splitting hairs and apparently have no idea how widespread the use of coal and wood were a century ago. Almost every home was heated by one or the other and it was also used in industry. Tell me, how many modern nations still use wood in an industrial capacity? And how many modern nations use coal as the main source of home heating and cooking?

I live in Alberta and have a wood burning fireplace, but I certainly don't use wood to heat the house when it is 30 below. I also used to live on an Alberta farm that had an automatic coal stroker for the furnace. But I'm betting that was phased out decades ago. The fact that less than five percent of the population may still use wood or coal in some capacity does not detract from the truth of my statement.



People love quoting Al Gore when they can find evidence that he is wrong. Those same people tend to be completely ignorant of the realities of global warming. A couple of days ago I saw an article on the Franz-Joseph glacier in New Zealand. The glacier is now almost nonexistent, but when I visited the country in 1975 I went for a walk on it and my wife and I hired a plane to land us in the snowfield where it originated. Sadly both tours are now no longer possible as the glacier has shrunk to about 10% of its original size. The same thing is happening to glaciers world wide, so apparently they seem to know something that you don't.

And just to get the record straight; Al Gore is a politician and not a scientist. What about the thousands of other scientists who believe that the Earth is getting warmer. Are all of them wrong as well?

And since you are going to use anecdotal evidence to support your point of view perhaps I should mention that 90% of the snow in the Edmonton area was gone by the end of February; a full month ahead of schedule. Alberta has jut had one of the warmest and least snowy winters in recorded history and this seems to be part of a trend.
Yet here in southern B.C. the snow pack in the mountains is 20% above normal .
 

JamesBondo

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That is cool but if you are going to run an engine off of a flame, the combustion engine must be strongly considered.
 

MHz

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I was thinking of parking it beside a swamp and use that 'warm water' to be the heat and the 'cold' would be winter of ice that was created while keeping the 'warm side warm in the dead of winter. The moss covering would act as a blanket and you could heat tanks to an unnatural temp via passive solar even in the winter. Some parts of the swamp are 30ft deep and just liquid water. That being said to be the warmest in winter you need to be on the south facing bank of a river with substantial slope to the banks, or something similar.
 

MHz

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In this case the heat the water contains is used to heat up the one side of the Sterling engine, the cold winter air would drive the other side. In the summer a solar water heater could drive the hot side and the water @ 50F could cool the cold side. In this particular there are ridges of land that would supply a natural slope so the panels were close together without shadows being an issue. Lay the cables out on the ice in the winter and in the spring they would sink by their own weight. The swamp is flat so installation would be easy in the winter and maintenance crews could use boats in the summer.
 

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Really? You are splitting hairs and apparently have no idea how widespread the use of coal and wood were a century ago. Almost every home was heated by one or the other and it was also used in industry. Tell me, how many modern nations still use wood in an industrial capacity? And how many modern nations use coal as the main source of home heating and cooking?



Well Canada for one. Lots of wood used for industrial heating in Europe and Asia as well. But reality always destroys your dismal arguments.

Canada would be a natural for this type of engine/generator


Canada would be good for a snow powered engine.