The statistics i was talking about are violent crime , stabbings shootings .................
Stats Canada does not have any stats in there census report about specific tyes of crime (Or none i could find but your free to take a look )
Summer of the Gun II
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Stats Canada does not have any stats in there census report about specific tyes of crime (Or none i could find but your free to take a look )
Most of the youg people being shot live with their mothers. You rarely see a grieving father in the obligatory crying for the camera shots. Would a father in the lives of these children result in fewer shootings? I believe it would. The absent fathers are schmucks but also the mothers must be stupid or promiscuous or both because many of them bed with the loser fathers time and again. Reaping what you sow I suppose.
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We can blather all we want. Gun crime in Toronto is specific to the black community and within that community to the Jamaican immigrant population. Everyone knows that except the mayor. Canada is still fiercely in the grips of the politically correct so little besides blaming gun collectors and insidious American gun policy will get any attention here.
Hard truth. Take it with a good measure of water if you can't get it down.
Hard truth. Take it with a good measure of water if you can't get it down.
Miller is an idiot.
The ten nations with the lowest murder rates on earth (late 1990s) are: Slovenia, Austria, Sweden, Switzerland, Israel, Hong Kong, Norway, Ireland, Finland and Singapore.
http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html
In Switzerland, all males 18-45 years of age are armed with automatic weapons ("automatic weapon" means Machine gun, for the uninitiated).
In Israel, citizens freely carry arms, both handguns and automatic weapons.
Norway, Finland, and Sweden are among the countries with the highest rate of private firearms ownership on earth.
Can we PLEASE find somebody to put in power that actually has a brain?
The ten nations with the lowest murder rates on earth (late 1990s) are: Slovenia, Austria, Sweden, Switzerland, Israel, Hong Kong, Norway, Ireland, Finland and Singapore.
http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html
In Switzerland, all males 18-45 years of age are armed with automatic weapons ("automatic weapon" means Machine gun, for the uninitiated).
In Israel, citizens freely carry arms, both handguns and automatic weapons.
Norway, Finland, and Sweden are among the countries with the highest rate of private firearms ownership on earth.
Can we PLEASE find somebody to put in power that actually has a brain?
Miller's a wuss. I watched him on tv at his press conference today just as I have so many, many times before. The tune never changes; neither does the freaky, scared rabbit look. I think he's always afraid someone's going to lob him a real question.
As a former Toronto resident, I do pay some attention to what is happening there. I watch previously safe neighbourhoods turn ugly, I watch bad areas become war zones, and even daytime shooting on the main street.
Facts...
them I watch the mythical spins being played out.
Miller screams about Gun bans,
The CBC provides a report about the shootings across Canada and ends the report saying the Fed's are not willing to move on a Gun ban.
And all the while the people of Toronto stick their heads in the sand...calling each and every murder isolated..and continuing the slogan "Livable City" and "Toronto the Good"
I personally don't care if they ban handguns...I don't have one..i don't use one..I don't need one, BUT If they think for one min. that a ban on handguns would have even the slightest affect on crime they are sadly mistaken. I actually think they already know that but it's a way to deflect. The Feds are looking at getting rid of the long gun registry (which btw also has no effect) so they will not be very interested in other gun laws. Given that fact the other levels of Government can deflect the issues to them, then say see there have no interest..but we tried,
Most hand gun ownership is already banned in Canada, and many of the types of hand guns on the street are illegal here.
I would normally never be on side with Jack Layton, but his thoughts of asking the U.S. to control and limit some of their guns would go further. A $150 buck cheapy from Ohio can fetch $400 in Toronto...Thats a good mark up...and thats where they come from.
Sure social issues need to be adressed, why are young men settling everything with death, but thats a later issue.
The guy who killed this kid last weekend was out of jail from crimes that should have carried much longer sentences than he had. If we started the New York city broken window policy you would wacth the crime rate drop..if for no other reason then that the criminals are in jail. Then you can start new social programs to keep the next batch from following this horrid lifestyle...
My thoughts..for what their worth.
Facts...
them I watch the mythical spins being played out.
Miller screams about Gun bans,
The CBC provides a report about the shootings across Canada and ends the report saying the Fed's are not willing to move on a Gun ban.
And all the while the people of Toronto stick their heads in the sand...calling each and every murder isolated..and continuing the slogan "Livable City" and "Toronto the Good"
I personally don't care if they ban handguns...I don't have one..i don't use one..I don't need one, BUT If they think for one min. that a ban on handguns would have even the slightest affect on crime they are sadly mistaken. I actually think they already know that but it's a way to deflect. The Feds are looking at getting rid of the long gun registry (which btw also has no effect) so they will not be very interested in other gun laws. Given that fact the other levels of Government can deflect the issues to them, then say see there have no interest..but we tried,
Most hand gun ownership is already banned in Canada, and many of the types of hand guns on the street are illegal here.
I would normally never be on side with Jack Layton, but his thoughts of asking the U.S. to control and limit some of their guns would go further. A $150 buck cheapy from Ohio can fetch $400 in Toronto...Thats a good mark up...and thats where they come from.
Sure social issues need to be adressed, why are young men settling everything with death, but thats a later issue.
The guy who killed this kid last weekend was out of jail from crimes that should have carried much longer sentences than he had. If we started the New York city broken window policy you would wacth the crime rate drop..if for no other reason then that the criminals are in jail. Then you can start new social programs to keep the next batch from following this horrid lifestyle...
My thoughts..for what their worth.
Gun murders in Toronto are ahead of the rate during the so-called Summer of the Gun(2005).
It's probably too "politically incorrect" but does anyone have any statistical information regarding the rates of criminality across "ethnic" boundaries? Like the "Perfect Storm" we have enjoyed a coalescence of phenomena that takes our attention away from the real issues.
If we ask that the Moslem community (presuming there is a 'moderate' Moslem community) take charge of its radical factions and step up to the plate in terms of responsibility to our communities, where are Jamacians?
I'm not suggesting that the death of anyone in Toronto or anywhere else is fabricated or untrue, but public sentiment is media sculpted grist for the political mill. Robert Picton focused our attention albeit in a sick and peculiar manner on the sex trade. 'Gangsta' warfare on the streets of Toronto focus our attention on 'blacks' and ressurect calls for "gun-control". Conrad Black is neither Jamacian nor does he favor firearms use in the commission of his lies fraud and theft. Anyone who's participated here at CC for any length of time knows how I feel about the "wealthy", and that feeling isn't unique to either me or limited to the Conrad Blacks and Ken Lays of corporate crime.
Given the lattest statistics I've seen with respect to highway deaths over the past year, 43,000 people in America were killed, while thousands are killed by medical malfeaseance and who knows how many by tobacco use....
We have a media machine "managed" by government out of the United States (directly and indirectly) that keeps telling everyone that we should "be afraid be very afraid" of everything from Iranian foreign policy and their contempt for international law and opinion....which is kind of cute coming from Ameriacan talking-heads....to the traitors in Canadian and American society who want our troops brought home from illegal wars based on unsound leadership....
If you wanted to inculcate fear and mistrust against non-whites and anyone who wasn't a member of the "god fearing" Anglo-Saxon foundation of North America, identify who to hate and who to target for your contempt and anger, manufacturing sentiment against Moslems and Jamacians is an easy task.
While the truth behind "immigration policy" in the United States, that American business and in fact American government are complicit in hiring Mexican labor and it's well known and understood that Mexico is rife with crime and corruption....
"Free Trade" has pulled the scab off and exposed what anyone with a scintilla of common sense knows.
The rationale for America's invaision in Iraq was multi-faceted but driven by the opportunity for big business to reap bales of cash from war-profiteering and adding fuel to the fires of outrage at the criminality of 9/11....
Jamaica was looted and grossly interfered with by "Big Sugar" as was Haiti and several other Carribean nations. Venezuela is the home (as we've all been told) to cheap oil and a leader with a "socialist agenda" that the United States has railed against for decades. Stephen Harper is adding too little too late to Canada's potential ability to maintain sovreignity in the north and of course we're all familiar with "isues" about softwood lumber, Mad Cow Disease and potential electricity-grid problems.....
As Walt is prepared to tell anyone and everyone, "Global Warming" is a myth and peculiar and rapidly changing weather patterns has brought water sports and boating to Britain in ways never seen before...
Who do you think is generating "news" these days?
If we ask that the Moslem community (presuming there is a 'moderate' Moslem community) take charge of its radical factions and step up to the plate in terms of responsibility to our communities, where are Jamacians?
I'm not suggesting that the death of anyone in Toronto or anywhere else is fabricated or untrue, but public sentiment is media sculpted grist for the political mill. Robert Picton focused our attention albeit in a sick and peculiar manner on the sex trade. 'Gangsta' warfare on the streets of Toronto focus our attention on 'blacks' and ressurect calls for "gun-control". Conrad Black is neither Jamacian nor does he favor firearms use in the commission of his lies fraud and theft. Anyone who's participated here at CC for any length of time knows how I feel about the "wealthy", and that feeling isn't unique to either me or limited to the Conrad Blacks and Ken Lays of corporate crime.
Given the lattest statistics I've seen with respect to highway deaths over the past year, 43,000 people in America were killed, while thousands are killed by medical malfeaseance and who knows how many by tobacco use....
We have a media machine "managed" by government out of the United States (directly and indirectly) that keeps telling everyone that we should "be afraid be very afraid" of everything from Iranian foreign policy and their contempt for international law and opinion....which is kind of cute coming from Ameriacan talking-heads....to the traitors in Canadian and American society who want our troops brought home from illegal wars based on unsound leadership....
If you wanted to inculcate fear and mistrust against non-whites and anyone who wasn't a member of the "god fearing" Anglo-Saxon foundation of North America, identify who to hate and who to target for your contempt and anger, manufacturing sentiment against Moslems and Jamacians is an easy task.
While the truth behind "immigration policy" in the United States, that American business and in fact American government are complicit in hiring Mexican labor and it's well known and understood that Mexico is rife with crime and corruption....
"Free Trade" has pulled the scab off and exposed what anyone with a scintilla of common sense knows.
The rationale for America's invaision in Iraq was multi-faceted but driven by the opportunity for big business to reap bales of cash from war-profiteering and adding fuel to the fires of outrage at the criminality of 9/11....
Jamaica was looted and grossly interfered with by "Big Sugar" as was Haiti and several other Carribean nations. Venezuela is the home (as we've all been told) to cheap oil and a leader with a "socialist agenda" that the United States has railed against for decades. Stephen Harper is adding too little too late to Canada's potential ability to maintain sovreignity in the north and of course we're all familiar with "isues" about softwood lumber, Mad Cow Disease and potential electricity-grid problems.....
As Walt is prepared to tell anyone and everyone, "Global Warming" is a myth and peculiar and rapidly changing weather patterns has brought water sports and boating to Britain in ways never seen before...
Who do you think is generating "news" these days?
I'm not a resident of Toronto but I live within the shadow of the GTA. I certainly don't want the city's gun violence exported here. When I see key players like Hogtown's mayor, David Miller, running scared from the main issues, I know we've got a problem. The man is useless and so full of political correctness he's practically choking on it. We deserve better and more and more citizens are going to demand we have it. Why for the love of all that makes sense, here in the balmy summer of 2007, in a country that's supposedly a great repository of freedom, can't we have a debate on the issue that's open and candid? It is shameful.
What makes you think "we deserve better"?
Everyone is right to some degree in this discussion. Both political "parties" and the arseholes who head them have manipulated taxpayers to accomodate personal interests.
We who "deserve better" don't do a damn thing to hold these people accountable. We play the game as determined by them!
What we deserve is more of the same. And that's what we'll get so long as Canadians are so apathetic about government.
Do you really think Conrad Black will spend a day in jail? Does anyone believe that either a Konservative or a Lieberal government will make any difference?
Horsepucky!
Canadians and Ontarians are apathetic and complacent to a fault. As long as Tim Horton's is open, so long as the hockey game is on cable TV and so long as Paris Hilton is the biggest thing on TV...the world and the universe is unfolding as it should.....
Everyone is right to some degree in this discussion. Both political "parties" and the arseholes who head them have manipulated taxpayers to accomodate personal interests.
We who "deserve better" don't do a damn thing to hold these people accountable. We play the game as determined by them!
What we deserve is more of the same. And that's what we'll get so long as Canadians are so apathetic about government.
Do you really think Conrad Black will spend a day in jail? Does anyone believe that either a Konservative or a Lieberal government will make any difference?
Horsepucky!
Canadians and Ontarians are apathetic and complacent to a fault. As long as Tim Horton's is open, so long as the hockey game is on cable TV and so long as Paris Hilton is the biggest thing on TV...the world and the universe is unfolding as it should.....
Exactly Mike and I can't find a damn thing short of terrorism to shake the damn tree. Every other angle has been compromised or outlawed.
Mikey: "Do you really think Conrad Black will spend a day in jail?"
Absolutely! He'll spend years in jail. The good times for fine fellers era is over in the US. It has an excellent record of prosecuting and jailing white collar criminals. I'm just glad the little lord was tried there.
Absolutely! He'll spend years in jail. The good times for fine fellers era is over in the US. It has an excellent record of prosecuting and jailing white collar criminals. I'm just glad the little lord was tried there.
Tamarin
I hope you're right!
Conrad Black should count his lucky stars that America and Canada don't convene trials and sentencing hearing among the general populations of prison inmates.
Or that the poor elderly and disabled aren't placed in positions of determining the sentencing of scum like "Lord Black"....
It says something about Britain doesn't it.....
I hope you're right!
Conrad Black should count his lucky stars that America and Canada don't convene trials and sentencing hearing among the general populations of prison inmates.
Or that the poor elderly and disabled aren't placed in positions of determining the sentencing of scum like "Lord Black"....
It says something about Britain doesn't it.....
According to today's Globe and Mail, the overall murder rate in Toronto among the non-black population is identical with the national rate: 2 per 100,000.
Unfortunately, the blacks population live with a murder rate of 10 per 100,000. That is almost twice the overall murder rate in the USA.
Ottawabill, overall the post containing the above paragraph was a good one, BUT..........this is just silly, and insulting.
Imagine, if you will, the furor if the Americans came to Canada and asked us to suspend parts of our Charter because they were causing problems in the USA.............
Colpy..my friend... how's that heart going??
I didn't really mean to agree with Jack layton, just that his statment comes closer to dealing with the real nature of the problem instead of PC optics of gun control and bans.
As per your previous post, I now live in a rural area where there are likely more guns per person than within any city and have had one murder in the area in 10 years.
The handguns sitting in criminal hands in this country has nothing to do with the laws of the land..It is criminal..illegal activity and no amount of laws will change it.
I personally think the U.S. right to bear arms should not be any arms i.e. assualt weapons more powerful than what the police have, but I don't think ,by any means, that law abiding citizens should not be allowed to aquire them. Whatever a hanggun target shooter or a hunter has to do with 17 year old punks in inner cities is beyond me!!
I didn't really mean to agree with Jack layton, just that his statment comes closer to dealing with the real nature of the problem instead of PC optics of gun control and bans.
As per your previous post, I now live in a rural area where there are likely more guns per person than within any city and have had one murder in the area in 10 years.
The handguns sitting in criminal hands in this country has nothing to do with the laws of the land..It is criminal..illegal activity and no amount of laws will change it.
I personally think the U.S. right to bear arms should not be any arms i.e. assualt weapons more powerful than what the police have, but I don't think ,by any means, that law abiding citizens should not be allowed to aquire them. Whatever a hanggun target shooter or a hunter has to do with 17 year old punks in inner cities is beyond me!!
The heart is well , thank you much. Lost 50 lbs, feeling like a million bucks......only wish I had the cash.
Likewise, I don't understand how Miller is going to fix the problems of an inner city black community by stealing the property of middle aged small town white guys......I guess we are just an easy target.
Likewise, I don't understand how Miller is going to fix the problems of an inner city black community by stealing the property of middle aged small town white guys......I guess we are just an easy target.
Do you believe Miller is actually trying to fix the problem? He's saying his standard speech when someone asks him why he hasn't done anything. He blames the Federal gov't or the provincial gov't. I think he as a coin he flips in the morning -- heads: blame the feds, tails: blame the province. The sad truth is there really isn't much he can do aside from increasing the police budget -- but saying so ain't going to get him re-elected or his office redecorated.