Summer of the Gun II
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Idratherbe....
OK so we agree....
The firearm and its criminal use aren't the issue here.
The issue is that we have a political process and a batch of politicians that couldn't get laid in a house of ill-repute!
When will Canadians do more than whine?
OK so we agree....
The firearm and its criminal use aren't the issue here.
The issue is that we have a political process and a batch of politicians that couldn't get laid in a house of ill-repute!
When will Canadians do more than whine?
because the middle age white gun owner won't fire his gun at the government registration official..
Mainly because he's a law abiding citizen!!
But it's always this way..another law, ban something, all in the name of protecting the public....who doesn't want the public protected? It's hard to fight..since it sounds good..but it not!! Just a "look good" policy. Makes political types look active and doing something...Then if they run into a road block as with the Fed Conservatives, it's easy to say "we were doing the right thing but now are hands are tied" If only we put Liberals back we will concur the problem..HA!!
The problem is young offenders act, plea bagins, no extra time for Gun crime..concurent sentences etc...but this all sounds tough..police state uncaring...so they stay a mile away from it...
More heads in the sand..
Mainly because he's a law abiding citizen!!
But it's always this way..another law, ban something, all in the name of protecting the public....who doesn't want the public protected? It's hard to fight..since it sounds good..but it not!! Just a "look good" policy. Makes political types look active and doing something...Then if they run into a road block as with the Fed Conservatives, it's easy to say "we were doing the right thing but now are hands are tied" If only we put Liberals back we will concur the problem..HA!!
The problem is young offenders act, plea bagins, no extra time for Gun crime..concurent sentences etc...but this all sounds tough..police state uncaring...so they stay a mile away from it...
More heads in the sand..
Hmm, so Jamaicans are our problem in Toronto? Well, Jamaica has been dealing with Jamaicans for a long time, maybe we should take a page out of their book.
Lets see, since the 1970's, Jamaica sought to target the root of crime by:
1. Enacting new legislation.
2. Centralizing law enforcement operations.
3. Making policing operations more intimidating.
These methods target the causes of crime. We all know that people commit crimes because the laws are lax, becaue we don't live in a military/police state and because the police are too friendly.
Jamaica has the right idea. We need to throw out our old laws and bring in new ones. We need to centralize our policing and give them more power and we need to make sure that people are afraid of the police. Then no one will have a reason to commit a crime.
What? The crime rate in Jamaica increased from the 1970's on ward? New legislation! Further centralization! More intimidation!
Lets see, since the 1970's, Jamaica sought to target the root of crime by:
1. Enacting new legislation.
2. Centralizing law enforcement operations.
3. Making policing operations more intimidating.
These methods target the causes of crime. We all know that people commit crimes because the laws are lax, becaue we don't live in a military/police state and because the police are too friendly.
Jamaica has the right idea. We need to throw out our old laws and bring in new ones. We need to centralize our policing and give them more power and we need to make sure that people are afraid of the police. Then no one will have a reason to commit a crime.
What? The crime rate in Jamaica increased from the 1970's on ward? New legislation! Further centralization! More intimidation!
I laugh at racist dumb asses like you... I guess it would also be racist to assume that all rapists, pedophiles and serial killers all invlolve white males right?
Last year i saw this movie of a play that was written about jamaicans by Jaimacans....A reacurring scene were these backyard threats with guns...it took place in a backyard in Jamaica. Guns guns guns.....It was making fun of this sub culture happening amongst Jamaicans......
AMC on telly is running this godfather weekend....there was the famous street shoot out with Cicci....Sandy loled and said Jane and Finch.....
The papers were screaming for something to be done in the movie...lol....
on a more sombre note just saw a few highlights on Newsworld of little 11 year old Ephrem's funeral...another innocent kid that caught a STRAY bullet.
Amongst the italian community it took what from like 1900 to about the 80's for this thing to weed itself out....nope //it's still happening only not as much...i hate to add...the italians seem to be able to confine it a lot better amongst themselves and are better shots......
all this wild west chit in the streets is bringing way too much heat on them.....
But yeah hell it's rival jamaican gangs....
AMC on telly is running this godfather weekend....there was the famous street shoot out with Cicci....Sandy loled and said Jane and Finch.....
The papers were screaming for something to be done in the movie...lol....
on a more sombre note just saw a few highlights on Newsworld of little 11 year old Ephrem's funeral...another innocent kid that caught a STRAY bullet.
Amongst the italian community it took what from like 1900 to about the 80's for this thing to weed itself out....nope //it's still happening only not as much...i hate to add...the italians seem to be able to confine it a lot better amongst themselves and are better shots......
all this wild west chit in the streets is bringing way too much heat on them.....
But yeah hell it's rival jamaican gangs....
It's a problem in the city's Jamaican community. It's been growing for the better part of two decades. The Globe has had many entries on it. Those that insist that's racist are simply ignorant. The solution lies in leadership being supported in the same community and a tough response on enforcement from the province's judiciary. The premier and the mayor are still playing politics while kids are killed.
It's not racist to point out problems in cetain communities, all communities have their problems.
I will tell you something...I once had a black lady tell me that Canada's immigration people are nuts.... she said there are people that leave a certain town in Jamaica to come to Canada and the whole town is happy they are gone and the place is that little more safer..It's like half the crime leaves with the guy..lol...true story....
On the other hand the majority of Jamaicans are uber cool peace loving fun loving people who would no more harm you than stop going to church.
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I think this is starting to happen...they all are fed up....i think they want to show the world that not all are like that sort of deal....
personnaly though...if i saw something...honestly i would forget about it immediatly....it's not my place to be some hero to change this huge crime spree going on...thats what cops and the courts are for...and it is the cops and the courts not the politicians and gun laws .....cops are not doing their job..courts are doing a worse one...straighten out those 2 and it's a done deal....
The medical profession has always tacitly acknowledged medical error,13,14 but its prevalence was not widely appreciated until publication of the landmark Harvard Medical Practice Study.16 This retrospective, randomized chart review covered more than 30 000 discharges from 51 New York State acute care hospitals in 1984. Adverse events occurred in 3.7% of the cases. More than half were due to errors and were theoretically preventable. Approximately 25% were attributed to negligence, defined as "care that fell below the standard expected of physicians in their community." Most of the resulting disabilities resolved within 6 months, but 2.6% were permanent and 13.6% were fatal. Extrapolated to a national level, these data suggest that, at that time, 98 000 deaths a year could be attributed to preventable medical error in the United States alone (on the basis of the 1984 population of 236 million).
If the data discussed above can be extrapolated to the Canadian population, the annual number of deaths due to preventable medical error would be in the order of 5000 to 10 000 -- the equivalent of an airline crash every week. At a British conference in 2000, the UK's chief medical officer called for international collaboration to address the issue of medical error.20 In Canada, however, there has been little acknowledgment of the extent of the problem.
Death attributable to medical malpractice and preventable causes while under the care of a physician….in hospital is rarely afforded the same coverage while enormously greater in number and frequency.
If the data discussed above can be extrapolated to the Canadian population, the annual number of deaths due to preventable medical error would be in the order of 5000 to 10 000 -- the equivalent of an airline crash every week. At a British conference in 2000, the UK's chief medical officer called for international collaboration to address the issue of medical error.20 In Canada, however, there has been little acknowledgment of the extent of the problem.
- In Canada, researchers found that in 2000–2001 adverse events occurred in 7.5% of medical/surgical admissions in non-specialized acute care hospitals. The two most common types of events identified were those related to surgical procedures (34% of total) and drug- or fluid-related events (24%).* Expert reviewers considered 37% of adverse events to be “highly preventable.” Most patients recovered from adverse events within six months, but about 21% (or between 9,250 and 23,750 people across the country) died, possibly as a result of the event.
Death attributable to medical malpractice and preventable causes while under the care of a physician….in hospital is rarely afforded the same coverage while enormously greater in number and frequency.
Walter
More people are killed by hospitals and doctors than killed by gang violence in Toronto or anywhere else in Canada. Did you know that Walter? Did you ever open your newspaper and read about those deaths on a regular basis like you read about gun violence?
Put things in perspective Walter.
More people are killed by hospitals and doctors than killed by gang violence in Toronto or anywhere else in Canada. Did you know that Walter? Did you ever open your newspaper and read about those deaths on a regular basis like you read about gun violence?
Put things in perspective Walter.
Good point mikey and I'm very scared of letting doctors open me up and do things cause of it....i make sure who is doing what to me and my wife....that being said....
to put things in perspective....when you see on the news constantly gun crimes , knifeings, blood all over the streets, for the past 5 years on a regular basis one takes notice......It's a huge Shmeeer.....
This whole another summer of gun II...it's not II it's like V or VIII or something...we even are starting to forget that this has become the norm....by calling it II......
I repeat it's not up to the politicians and stricter gun laws...thats an easy way to deflect the real problem....that being...inept police force, and a court/prison system thats tailored made for perpetuating crime....stop the bleeding heart societies ruliong our prisons and the religous org.s trying to reform hardened criminals....Make prison hell and something hard to survive in...thats the the ticket.....
Hell if we learned anything from Paris hilton it's the instant bible appearance in prison.....
Another gun murder occurred on Monday evening. That makes 25 dead by bullets and 48 murders all told this year in TO. Anyone got any ideas about solutions? I say give welfare for the first child only, after that no increase in welfare no matter how many babies you have?
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Lets see here, the first thing you want to do is throw money at it. If by some chance that doesn't work, we should fall back on throwing money at it. I mean if that fails then the only thing left to do is throw money at it and hope that finally works. If we can lick the drug problem that is plaguing our nation by trowing money at it, then it should be easy to beat this gun problem. I wonder... could it be as simple a solution as throwing money at it?
You know this could catch on. After we clean up this so called summer of the gun again thingy, we should really clean up Ottawa. I think probably the best thing to do there is throw money at it and then we will be sure to attract the best and brightest to manage the country for us.
You know this could catch on. After we clean up this so called summer of the gun again thingy, we should really clean up Ottawa. I think probably the best thing to do there is throw money at it and then we will be sure to attract the best and brightest to manage the country for us.
Look, I hate to say this, but there is literally nothing that can be done about murder..........it will continue, at some rate or the other. The murder rate in Canada is about 2 per 100,000. That is very low, bettered by very few nations on earth. (The USA has a rate of 6 per 100,000......Jamaica has a rate of 32 per 100,000)
The murder rate among the blacks in TO (read Jamaicans) is about 10 per 100,000........the rate among our northern native population is even worse.
I'm not sure social solutions are even possible.........perhaps mentoring in the schools, safe houses for the kids in rough sections of town, increased police presense.............and the expulsion of non-Canadians convicted of ANY offense, and long-time imprisonment for gang-related or violent crime.
But there will still be murder.