SUICIDE BOMBERS
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Re: RE: SUICIDE BOMBERS
No they don't because it's extremely easy for some influenntial hate-monger to stand up and say "these things are only happening because of what ( insert monster/scapegoat here) did to use in the past, though trade, subliminal candy bar wrapper messages, etc..."
See: Palestine vs. Israel.
jimmoyer said:
No they don't because it's extremely easy for some influenntial hate-monger to stand up and say "these things are only happening because of what ( insert monster/scapegoat here) did to use in the past, though trade, subliminal candy bar wrapper messages, etc..."
See: Palestine vs. Israel.
Doryman, if you don't want to believe the reports about the insurgents killing Iraqis then maybe your prejudice is more important than reports that challenge your views.
You and I gotta both look at things that don't fit our personal prejudice.
For example 2 days ago the insurgents killed a major tribal leader in a Sunni town. This really upset the Sunni who identified with some of the insurgents. Well this, they felt was wrong, and so feeling they've lost control of their town to an insurgency that draws no lines, took it upon themselves to report the insurgent hideout to Iraqi police and army and to the Americans.
Do you recall several months ago that al Qaeda requested Zarqawi to desist from killing non-American targets ?
You and I gotta both look at things that don't fit our personal prejudice.
For example 2 days ago the insurgents killed a major tribal leader in a Sunni town. This really upset the Sunni who identified with some of the insurgents. Well this, they felt was wrong, and so feeling they've lost control of their town to an insurgency that draws no lines, took it upon themselves to report the insurgent hideout to Iraqi police and army and to the Americans.
Do you recall several months ago that al Qaeda requested Zarqawi to desist from killing non-American targets ?
Two female suicide bombers kill 27 in Iraq
See, women are slowly gaining equality in the Middle East. Some 'freedom fighters'!
See, women are slowly gaining equality in the Middle East. Some 'freedom fighters'!
Iraqis cooperate after insurgents slay tribal chief
By Antonio Castaneda
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published December 5, 2005
SAMMARA, Iraq -- After keeping their distance for months, Iraqis in this Sunni Arab city suddenly began cooperating with U.S. troops, leading them to insurgents and hidden weapons caches. The reason: anger over a local tribal chief's assassination by insurgents.
"That's when they decided to make a stand," said Capt. Ryan Wylie of Lincoln, Neb., commander of Bravo Company, 3rd Battalion, 69th Armored Regiment. "They definitely had an idea of the terrorists and where they hang out."
U.S. commanders cite other reasons for a lull in violence in this city 60 miles north of Baghdad. They include construction of an 11-mile berm around the city to block gunrunners and a greater reliance by the military on covert monitoring positions.
But almost everyone agrees that the biggest reason for the reduction in violence here was the public backlash against the insurgents after the Oct. 11 assassination of Sheik Hikmat Mumtaz al-Bazi, chief of one of the area's seven tribes.
The reason for the killing is not clear. Some say he was targeted for working with U.S. forces. Others think he was killed because of a contract dispute over a U.S.-funded project. Most agree that the sheik's American connection cost him his life.
"They killed him to send a message that you can't be working with coalition forces," said Lt. Col. Mark Wald, commander of the 3rd Battalion. "I think they were trying to rein him back in."
Tribalism is rooted deeply in Iraqi society and adds a dimension to the insurgency that outsiders find difficult to understand. Some tribes support the insurgency, while others back the government. In many cases, tribes are divided in their loyalties.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20051204-112759-3808r
By Antonio Castaneda
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published December 5, 2005
SAMMARA, Iraq -- After keeping their distance for months, Iraqis in this Sunni Arab city suddenly began cooperating with U.S. troops, leading them to insurgents and hidden weapons caches. The reason: anger over a local tribal chief's assassination by insurgents.
"That's when they decided to make a stand," said Capt. Ryan Wylie of Lincoln, Neb., commander of Bravo Company, 3rd Battalion, 69th Armored Regiment. "They definitely had an idea of the terrorists and where they hang out."
U.S. commanders cite other reasons for a lull in violence in this city 60 miles north of Baghdad. They include construction of an 11-mile berm around the city to block gunrunners and a greater reliance by the military on covert monitoring positions.
But almost everyone agrees that the biggest reason for the reduction in violence here was the public backlash against the insurgents after the Oct. 11 assassination of Sheik Hikmat Mumtaz al-Bazi, chief of one of the area's seven tribes.
The reason for the killing is not clear. Some say he was targeted for working with U.S. forces. Others think he was killed because of a contract dispute over a U.S.-funded project. Most agree that the sheik's American connection cost him his life.
"They killed him to send a message that you can't be working with coalition forces," said Lt. Col. Mark Wald, commander of the 3rd Battalion. "I think they were trying to rein him back in."
Tribalism is rooted deeply in Iraqi society and adds a dimension to the insurgency that outsiders find difficult to understand. Some tribes support the insurgency, while others back the government. In many cases, tribes are divided in their loyalties.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20051204-112759-3808r
Iraq Bomber Strikes on Bus; Up to 30 Dead
BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide bomber who jumped on a bus after security checks had been completed detonated an explosives belt among passengers heading to a Shiite city Thursday, killing up to 30 people and wounding nearly 40, officials said.
Most of those killed were on the bus, which was gutted by flames, but several people gathered around a nearby food stall were also killed, police said. A hospital official said at least 37 people were injured.
Police said the attacker waited until the bus was slowly pulling away from the station, then jumped on board to avoid security checks. Police said the death toll was especially high because the blast triggered secondary explosions in gas cylinders stored at the food stall.
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BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide bomber who jumped on a bus after security checks had been completed detonated an explosives belt among passengers heading to a Shiite city Thursday, killing up to 30 people and wounding nearly 40, officials said.
Most of those killed were on the bus, which was gutted by flames, but several people gathered around a nearby food stall were also killed, police said. A hospital official said at least 37 people were injured.
Police said the attacker waited until the bus was slowly pulling away from the station, then jumped on board to avoid security checks. Police said the death toll was especially high because the blast triggered secondary explosions in gas cylinders stored at the food stall.
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Oh yeah these insurgents are making a lot of friends out of the Iraqi citizens.
At least al Qaeda was smart enough to ask its rogue member to only focus on American targets, but still they're going after the softer targets: their own people.
At least al Qaeda was smart enough to ask its rogue member to only focus on American targets, but still they're going after the softer targets: their own people.
Re: RE: SUICIDE BOMBERS
so....ask yourself....Would this be happening if the US had not destablized the country with their lunacy of WAR??? The US created an engraved invitation for this to be happening.....
Colpy said:
so....ask yourself....Would this be happening if the US had not destablized the country with their lunacy of WAR??? The US created an engraved invitation for this to be happening.....
Ask yourself if your position on this war would have made matters even graver (so to speak) for both the Iraqi citizen, its neighbors and the world if Saddam operated for another 10 years? Without an embargo, money flowing to terrorists, Palestinian families making money off their poor children becoming suicide bombers, and Hugo Chavez joining the man enjoying the current Play at your Downtown Theatre: "Two Davids fight American Goliath."
All plausible scenarios, and most plausible of all was the consortium of French, German, and Russian assistance for nuclear technology: a payment still outstanding in which they are not cancelling the debt the Iraqi people owe those countries.
Then Saddam dies, and the country had another 10 years of a psychic police state turning family against family, brother turning in another brother for favor with Saddam and now the Civil War 10 years later ????
All plausible scenarios, and most plausible of all was the consortium of French, German, and Russian assistance for nuclear technology: a payment still outstanding in which they are not cancelling the debt the Iraqi people owe those countries.
Then Saddam dies, and the country had another 10 years of a psychic police state turning family against family, brother turning in another brother for favor with Saddam and now the Civil War 10 years later ????
I've been smoking the Native Indian's Revenge: Demon Tobacco.
I'm surprised at you Rev.
Maybe if you dropped the crappy beer and went to some good Bourbon, you too could be emancipated from the tyrannical cage of NOWness.
I'm surprised at you Rev.
Maybe if you dropped the crappy beer and went to some good Bourbon, you too could be emancipated from the tyrannical cage of NOWness.
Re: RE: SUICIDE BOMBERS
rev......if I may offer a suggestion. Stick to your beer. See what happens when you do the Bourbon/ Demon Tobacco thing. No one will make sense of your posts either... :wink:
........gosh, forbid......that you should start to babble in riddles too.. :wink:
jimmoyer said:
rev......if I may offer a suggestion. Stick to your beer. See what happens when you do the Bourbon/ Demon Tobacco thing. No one will make sense of your posts either... :wink:
........gosh, forbid......that you should start to babble in riddles too.. :wink:
Riddles provide a worm hole into the fabric of the status quo, the prison of NOW, and allows you to see more.
Hmmm...Old Crow is good too.
Hmmm...Old Crow is good too.
In Baghdad, a suicide bomber climbed aboard a bus after it had passed through a checkpoint and blew it up, killing at least 32 civilians and wounding scores more. The bus was full of Shi'ites traveling south for the Muslim weekend.
Police Lt. Wisam Hakim told the AP that a man jumped on board as the bus was pulling out of the station. "He sat in the middle of the bus and then the explosion took place," leaving a pile of charred bodies and mangled metal.
Zarqawi, al Qaeda's lead man in Iraq, is thought to be behind a wave of suicide attacks. Almost 2,000 Iraqi police and civilians, including women and children, have been killed since April.
Police Lt. Wisam Hakim told the AP that a man jumped on board as the bus was pulling out of the station. "He sat in the middle of the bus and then the explosion took place," leaving a pile of charred bodies and mangled metal.
Zarqawi, al Qaeda's lead man in Iraq, is thought to be behind a wave of suicide attacks. Almost 2,000 Iraqi police and civilians, including women and children, have been killed since April.
And people in the West wonder why there are sucicide bombers.
---------------------------Jersay-----------------------------
It's this kind of thinking that gives suicide clowns
power.
And those that allegedly understand the psychology
of a suicide clown, I wonder why they don't feel
as compelled to blow up some innocent neighbors
or innocent strangers?
All this angst about the injustice of the world, why
does it motivate one to be a suicide clown, and another
just a pontificator on the graffiti cyber mall ???
Or why doesn't the entire population of Palestinians
or Iraqis all buy suicide vests ???
They all got better
reasons than outsider westerners who purport to
understand this phenomenon.
And you wonder why rarely nobody over 40 puts on a
clown vest.
---------------------------Jersay-----------------------------
It's this kind of thinking that gives suicide clowns
power.
And those that allegedly understand the psychology
of a suicide clown, I wonder why they don't feel
as compelled to blow up some innocent neighbors
or innocent strangers?
All this angst about the injustice of the world, why
does it motivate one to be a suicide clown, and another
just a pontificator on the graffiti cyber mall ???
Or why doesn't the entire population of Palestinians
or Iraqis all buy suicide vests ???
They all got better
reasons than outsider westerners who purport to
understand this phenomenon.
And you wonder why rarely nobody over 40 puts on a
clown vest.
Re: RE: SUICIDE BOMBERS
FACT: Suicide terrorism is not primarily a product of Islamic fundamentalism.
FACT: The world’s leading practitioners of suicide terrorism are the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka–a secular, Marxist-Leninist group drawn from Hindu families.
FACT: Ninety-five percent of suicide terrorist attacks occur as part of coherent campaigns organized by large militant organizations with significant public support.
FACT: Every suicide terrorist campaign has had a clear goal that is secular and political: to compel a modern democracy to withdraw military forces from the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland.
FACT: Al-Qaeda fits the above pattern. Although Saudi Arabia is not under American military occupation per se, one major objective of al-Qaeda is the expulsion of U.S. troops from the Persian Gulf region, and as a result there have been repeated attacks by terrorists loyal to Osama bin Laden against American troops in Saudi Arabia and the region as a whole.
FACT: Despite their rhetoric, democracies–including the United States–have routinely made concessions to suicide terrorists. Suicide terrorism is on the rise because terrorists have learned that it’s effective
http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-1400063175-0
jimmoyer said:
FACT: Suicide terrorism is not primarily a product of Islamic fundamentalism.
FACT: The world’s leading practitioners of suicide terrorism are the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka–a secular, Marxist-Leninist group drawn from Hindu families.
FACT: Ninety-five percent of suicide terrorist attacks occur as part of coherent campaigns organized by large militant organizations with significant public support.
FACT: Every suicide terrorist campaign has had a clear goal that is secular and political: to compel a modern democracy to withdraw military forces from the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland.
FACT: Al-Qaeda fits the above pattern. Although Saudi Arabia is not under American military occupation per se, one major objective of al-Qaeda is the expulsion of U.S. troops from the Persian Gulf region, and as a result there have been repeated attacks by terrorists loyal to Osama bin Laden against American troops in Saudi Arabia and the region as a whole.
FACT: Despite their rhetoric, democracies–including the United States–have routinely made concessions to suicide terrorists. Suicide terrorism is on the rise because terrorists have learned that it’s effective
http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-1400063175-0
None of those facts even speak to the points I made.
Nor do any of those facts refute the points I made.
In this case those facts are a truth living side by side
the points I asked.
Neither cancels the other.
We know the terrorist campaign's goals. And they look
for those who will do it, while they sit back and watch.
Not everyone chooses the clown vest, thank Allah.
And so you gotta wonder why.
Because they all got the same reasons to do so.
Nor do any of those facts refute the points I made.
In this case those facts are a truth living side by side
the points I asked.
Neither cancels the other.
We know the terrorist campaign's goals. And they look
for those who will do it, while they sit back and watch.
Not everyone chooses the clown vest, thank Allah.
And so you gotta wonder why.
Because they all got the same reasons to do so.
