Study links marijuana smoking to gum disease

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Let's not forget, everything apparently gives you mouth/gum disease. Candy, meat, coffee, acidic fruits. They all cause plaque or the evil gum disease "GINGIVITIS!!!" *Gasp*

Just brush yer dirty mouths like you would anything else.

Oh but wait... even toothpaste isn't good for your teeth apparently. All that whitening bleech and such gradually wears away your enamel, causing your teeth to become more sensitive.

Then you gotta get sensodyne for your sensitive teeth.... and then where do you go from there?

Face it, we're all screwed no matter what we do, so smoke up and forgedaboutit.
 

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Let's not forget, everything apparently gives you mouth/gum disease. Candy, meat, coffee, acidic fruits. They all cause plaque or the evil gum disease "GINGIVITIS!!!" *Gasp*

Just brush yer dirty mouths like you would anything else.

Oh but wait... even toothpaste isn't good for your teeth apparently. All that whitening bleech and such gradually wears away your enamel, causing your teeth to become more sensitive.

Then you gotta get sensodyne for your sensitive teeth.... and then where do you go from there?

Face it, we're all screwed no matter what we do, so smoke up and forgedaboutit.

:lol:

You're right. We're all gonna die anyway. Might as well have a little fun too before we punch our cards. ;-)
 

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So here is a little quest for you, go out and find some hard evidence that shows exactly how pot is a danger to the average person no matter how it's ingested and post it here so we can have a real discussion on the topic.

That basic enough for you Kerrie?

Why would I waste my time with that Inf? Have you read anything I've actually said in the thread? I doubt it.
 

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Why would I waste my time with that Inf? Have you read anything I've actually said in the thread? I doubt it.

Yeah, I've read everything you said. These lame attempts to link Marijuana with all sorts of scary stuff on the slightest premise has become a joke. Not worth disputing but fun to mock. That you take umbrage and attempt to cast aspersion upon me for it, then turning around and tell me posting an actual bit of solid evidence is a waste of your time looks to me as though you are the one who can't seem to manage even a little research to back up your position.
 

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Yeah, I've read everything you said. These lame attempts to link Marijuana with all sorts of scary stuff on the slightest premise has become a joke. Not worth disputing but fun to mock. That you take umbrage and attempt to cast aspersion upon me for it, then turning around and tell me posting an actual bit of solid evidence is a waste of your time looks to me as though you are the one who can't seem to manage even a little research to back up your position.

Perhaps I can shed some neutral perspective on what might be trying to be explained, as I see it.

From what I read from Karrie, she hasn't attempted to potray Weed as a super evil drug which can and will destroy your body and mind like a tape worm on crack. She just pointed out that there are some levels of side effects which can be attributed to smoking weed, and I agree.

I agree as a continual smoker of pot since the age of 17 (over a decade now) and although I am overall in perfect health and condition for someone of my age, There is a level of side effects, no matter how remote, they do exist. Those side effects are in my opinion no where near the levels of concern as opposed to Alcohol or Tobacco, perhaps Caffeine even, but you can not honestly say that Weed is perfectly harmless..... nothing is.

Don't forget that the majority of these studies, be that on Weed, Alcohol, Tobacco, etc. are usually a conclusion of the worst case situations. Some people can smoke tobacco all their lives and they may live into their 90's and die of natural causes.... others may die from lung cancer at the age of 40. Some maybe able to drink alcohol everyday for most of their lives and be perfectly fine, while others need a liver transplant.

Weed may cause mouth/gum disease, but also think about it in a worst case situation. If you don't brush your teeth and you smoke weed every couple of hours of your life, then yeah, particles will build up on the teeth and gums and over time, may cause an issue.

Let's not forget the very first line in Post #1:

WASHINGTON, Feb 5 (Reuters) - Smoking marijuana, much like smoking tobacco, may increase a person's risk for gum disease that can lead to tooth loss, researchers said on Tuesday.

It may increase the risk, there is no absolute claiming that it will in fact increase the risk.

But see that's something else that bugs the hell out of me with studies like this. "May or May Not" basically means the same damn thing as before they made the study.... AKA: They still don't have a frigging clue as to what the final answer is at this point.

A study of 903 New Zealanders found that people who smoked marijuana frequently had triple the risk for severe gum disease and a 60 percent higher risk for a milder form of it compared to people who did not smoke the drug, also called cannabis.
People who smoked marijuana less frequently had a smaller increased risk for gum disease, the researchers said.

• A study of just one country, and 903 of their citizens in comparison to how many on this planet around the world?

• What kind of marijuana were they smoking on average?

• Is the marijuana stronger or weaker then what is in Canada or other various countries?

• Once again, was tobacco involved in any or all the joints in this study?

• How much does the study considder as "frequently" or "less frequently?" Once a day? Twice or more a day? Once every two days? Every Hour?

• Is this related to the actual smoking of weed alone, or in combination of the munchies and the food one may have eaten under this state of mind, or is it related to the food alone, which related to the amount one smokes weed?

This is why I hate these damn studies as they don't provide you with any real information that helps clarify how they came to their conclusions and any or all of the above questions could easily shift the perspective on the study.

As it stands now, they claim "If you smoke weed, you're at a greater risk of gum disease"

ok, there's more to the article apparently, now looking into it:


....His team tracked a group of people in Dunedin, New Zealand, since their births in 1972 and 1973. They were age 32 when the researchers identified the "strong association" between marijuana use and gum disease.


Hole... they studied all these people from their births from 1972-73 and found the connection at their ages of 32?

What, did they all just by coiencidence start smoking pot or did they make sure they all smoked it?

The researchers defined heavy marijuana users as those who who reported smoking it an average of 41 or more times annually between ages 18 and 32 -- almost once a week.

Well I guess myself and millions more are royally screwed.... "Almost Once A Week?"

That's what they considder "Heavy?" frig, anything less then that and you're not a pot smoker to begin with, but Bill Clinton (I didn't inhale)

Many heavy marijuana users also were tobacco smokers, but the researchers said their statistical analysis showed that marijuana increased the risk for gum disease separate and apart from tobacco use.

Really? Now I'm skeptical.... exactly how?

A U.S. group supporting legal sales and regulation of marijuana faulted the study. "I think they've raised an interesting question, but I don't think they're close to giving a meaningful answer," Marijuana Policy Project spokesman Bruce Mirken said.

Nope.

Mirken called the study's definition of heavy marijuana use arbitrary and said additional factors like alcohol or other drug use may help account for the findings.

So once again......

but the researchers said their statistical analysis showed that marijuana increased the risk for gum disease separate and apart from tobacco use.

HOW?

They don't say.... so there isn't any useful information from this study, and we all just basically wasted our time.

Bottom line based on the article:

"Smoking Marijuana May or May Not increase your risks of Mouth/Gum Disease... We don't know, but our funding was running dry and needed to put something out."
 

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Perhaps I can shed some neutral perspective on what might be trying to be explained, as I see it.

From what I read from Karrie, she hasn't attempted to potray Weed as a super evil drug which can and will destroy your body and mind like a tape worm on crack. She just pointed out that there are some levels of side effects which can be attributed to smoking weed, and I agree.

There is good science that indicates a result that can be confirmed and there is propaganda that is made to lead people to think a certain way about something for political gain or justification of oppression. I quite enjoy good science.

I agree as a continual smoker of pot since the age of 17 (over a decade now) and although I am overall in perfect health and condition for someone of my age, There is a level of side effects, no matter how remote, they do exist. Those side effects are in my opinion no where near the levels of concern as opposed to Alcohol or Tobacco, perhaps Caffeine even, but you can not honestly say that Weed is perfectly harmless..... nothing is.

If nothing is perfectly harmless then there is a slight risk to everything. Is there some benefit to point out the risk mothers are to their children? As ridiculous as that is, there is some scare factor to it, and that backed by a lack of knowledge on the subject by some and a strong government propaganda campaign that results in people being put in prison, some for years, isn't to much different than referring to it as child abuse. These things have a tendency to grow to outrageous proportions.

Don't forget that the majority of these studies, be that on Weed, Alcohol, Tobacco, etc. are usually a conclusion of the worst case situations. Some people can smoke tobacco all their lives and they may live into their 90's and die of natural causes.... others may die from lung cancer at the age of 40. Some maybe able to drink alcohol everyday for most of their lives and be perfectly fine, while others need a liver transplant.

Including Marijuana in with Alcohol and Tobbaco part of the problem. Tobbaco will kill you. Alcohol will kill you. Marijuana will not. Guilt by association. Like grouping Mothers with Rapists and Child Molesters. They aren't even close to each other as an example, yet that is often the case with pot. This is how something is demonized.

Weed may cause mouth/gum disease, but also think about it in a worst case situation. If you don't brush your teeth and you smoke weed every couple of hours of your life, then yeah, particles will build up on the teeth and gums and over time, may cause an issue.


This is incorrect. If you don't take care of your teeth, you stand to contract gum disease. Pot has nothing to do with it.

Let's not forget the very first line in Post #1:
It may increase the risk, there is no absolute claiming that it will in fact increase the risk.


Consider this, there is no truth to the claim that the 9/11 terrorists got into the US through Canada yet, look at our border. Look at the money that is being poured into protecting that imaginary line. This is what fear does to people. Now consider again that 2 million people are in prison right this moment in the US because of the laws regarding Pot.

Does the truth matter?

But see that's something else that bugs the hell out of me with studies like this. "May or May Not" basically means the same damn thing as before they made the study.... AKA: They still don't have a frigging clue as to what the final answer is at this point.
• A study of just one country, and 903 of their citizens in comparison to how many on this planet around the world?

• What kind of marijuana were they smoking on average?

• Is the marijuana stronger or weaker then what is in Canada or other various countries?

• Once again, was tobacco involved in any or all the joints in this study?

• How much does the study considder as "frequently" or "less frequently?" Once a day? Twice or more a day? Once every two days? Every Hour?

• Is this related to the actual smoking of weed alone, or in combination of the munchies and the food one may have eaten under this state of mind, or is it related to the food alone, which related to the amount one smokes weed?


Bad science is bad science and there is no shortage of doctors who will gladly accept a grant to study something, write a report and sign off on the edited version.

This is why I hate these damn studies as they don't provide you with any real information that helps clarify how they came to their conclusions and any or all of the above questions could easily shift the perspective on the study.
As it stands now, they claim "If you smoke weed, you're at a greater risk of gum disease"

ok, there's more to the article apparently, now looking into it:

Hole... they studied all these people from their births from 1972-73 and found the connection at their ages of 32?

What, did they all just by coiencidence start smoking pot or did they make sure they all smoked it?

Well I guess myself and millions more are royally screwed.... "Almost Once A Week?"

That's what they considder "Heavy?" frig, anything less then that and you're not a pot smoker to begin with, but Bill Clinton (I didn't inhale)


If it's bogus it's bogus. But ask yourself why would someone publish a bogus study in the first place? Add to that, the subject matter and the benefit to finding the outcome favourable to an industry that spends over $600 per second in the US. Per second!


Really? Now I'm skeptical.... exactly how?
Nope.
So once again......
HOW?
They don't say.... so there isn't any useful information from this study, and we all just basically wasted our time.
Bottom line based on the article:
"Smoking Marijuana May or May Not increase your risks of Mouth/Gum Disease... We don't know, but our funding was running dry and needed to put something out."

Correct. If you say something that sounds icky, that really may be plausable, in a way that sounds possible, then you can gain enough people thinking it's actually proven to justify continued support from politicians who can use this "dreded problem" to get tough on crime and protect the innocent children and vulnerable ones from the sinister demon weed.
 

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There is good science that indicates a result that can be confirmed and there is propaganda that is made to lead people to think a certain way about something for political gain or justification of oppression. I quite enjoy good science.

Personally I question science as much as I question religion or any other form of philosophy that arrives to any conclusion or answer. If it doesn't make sense, or they don't explain themselves, then I don't hold much in what they say. Science/Scientists are no exception, but to each their own. I'm not saying you can't believe what comes out of science, but this example alone shows that even certain scientific reports can not be fully trusted without question.

They may in fact be right, but they did not provide enough explination or answers to suit my satisfaction.

If nothing is perfectly harmless then there is a slight risk to everything.

Exactly... there's a risk of running with a sharpened pencil in your hand.... I almost drove one into my neck pretty deep one time as a kid. Anything can happen with anything.

Is there some benefit to point out the risk mothers are to their children? As ridiculous as that is, there is some scare factor to it, and that backed by a lack of knowledge on the subject by some and a strong government propaganda campaign that results in people being put in prison, some for years, isn't to much different than referring to it as child abuse. These things have a tendency to grow to outrageous proportions.

Indeed.

Including Marijuana in with Alcohol and Tobbaco part of the problem. Tobbaco will kill you. Alcohol will kill you. Marijuana will not.

No... Alcohol May kill you, Tobacco May kill you.... Weed... hmm... inconclusive at this stage, as there have not been anything directly related deaths connected to Weed consumption.

But at this stage, I'd still rather relate Weed with Alcohol, Tobacco and Caffine, because it helps to bridge that understanding for some who still try and link Weed with Cocaine, Heroin and Crack, like what has been attempted for the last number of decades.

Quite honestly from my own studies and reports I've read over the years, Weed itself still isn't the safest recreational drug out there. Apparently it's 2nd to Shrooms, as shrooms even has less side effects to it compared to Weed. But Weed was a very close second. I can not remember at this stage what was the 3rd safest, but I know it wasn't Caffine.

This is incorrect. If you don't take care of your teeth, you stand to contract gum disease. Pot has nothing to do with it.

No, it is correct, as that is the exact same point I was trying to make. Pot has an equal amount to do with it as candy, sugars, salts, acids, meat, or whatever you put into your mouth. This report attempted to take that small factor and blow it up to make it sound worse then anything else.

But in addition to defunk this report, they admitted that most of the people they studied also smoked tobacco, regardless if they claim they can seperate the two to determine, they didn't explain how, therefore they can't until they do. So I hold very little value to this report.... esspecially when they considdered a "Heavy User" as someone who smokes "Almost Once A Week" ~ Man, they best get with the times, as that's nowhere near being considdered Heavy.

If Almost Once a Week is Heavy, then What the hell am I if I smoke once/twice a day?

Oh well... over 10 years smoking like this and last time I went to the dentist my teeth were clean (they did mention I needed to floss more, but they tell everybody that)

Consider this, there is no truth to the claim that the 9/11 terrorists got into the US through Canada yet, look at our border. Look at the money that is being poured into protecting that imaginary line. This is what fear does to people. Now consider again that 2 million people are in prison right this moment in the US because of the laws regarding Pot.

Does the truth matter?

It does, but it has to be unquestionable truth. This report is highly questionable, therefore it's not all that truthful to me.

Bad science is bad science and there is no shortage of doctors who will gladly accept a grant to study something, write a report and sign off on the edited version.

Which is another reason why I question science as equally as I do religions and other concepts.

If it's bogus it's bogus. But ask yourself why would someone publish a bogus study in the first place? Add to that, the subject matter and the benefit to finding the outcome favourable to an industry that spends over $600 per second in the US. Per second!

Well it was a study requested by a pro-marijuana organization, they apparently in the article did not like the answers they got (Neither did I) and for some reason, makes me think there was a third party at play with a bit more money. But who truly knows?

Correct. If you say something that sounds icky, that really may be plausable, in a way that sounds possible, then you can gain enough people thinking it's actually proven to justify continued support from politicians who can use this "dreded problem" to get tough on crime and protect the innocent children and vulnerable ones from the sinister demon weed.

Quite honestly, any reports relating to any "Drugs" or "Narcotics" from the US or any organization related to the US, I don't normally read, let alone believe. They are in fact having a "War on Drugs" Which has failed misserably thus far.... but Staying the Course and unloading as much false information as possible seems to be the plan for keeping it going.

Heaven forbid anybody in the government actually stood up and admitted they screwed up, it's a waste of resources and money, and will never work. But then if someone did that, then a big investigation would ensue, retired politicians would be hauled into court, someone would be found responsible for all the billions of dollars wasted thus far..... and nobody in power wants that to happen, let alone be known for starting it.

Kinda like how nobody has the brass pair to impeach Bush.
 

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Personally I question science as much as I question religion or any other form of philosophy that arrives to any conclusion or answer. If it doesn't make sense, or they don't explain themselves, then I don't hold much in what they say. Science/Scientists are no exception, but to each their own. I'm not saying you can't believe what comes out of science, but this example alone shows that even certain scientific reports can not be fully trusted without question.

Ok, but this is the fundimental difference between science and religion, only science can be repeated and the results observed to a point that it can be considered proven. Religion is and will always be an unsubstantiated belief.

They may in fact be right, but they did not provide enough explination or answers to suit my satisfaction.

I think someone here once mentioned how something goes through the stages using the scientific method. That might be of interest to you.

Exactly... there's a risk of running with a sharpened pencil in your hand.... I almost drove one into my neck pretty deep one time as a kid. Anything can happen with anything.

Sure but there is no debate over the dangers v benefits of pencils.

No... Alcohol May kill you, Tobacco May kill you.... Weed... hmm... inconclusive at this stage, as there have not been anything directly related deaths connected to Weed consumption.

Ah but there has. It is impossible to ingest marijuana in it's natural form or any common form to a level even close to causeing death. Long before that was even a remote possibility, you would be asleep. It's not inconclusive, it's a fact.

But at this stage, I'd still rather relate Weed with Alcohol, Tobacco and Caffine, because it helps to bridge that understanding for some who still try and link Weed with Cocaine, Heroin and Crack, like what has been attempted for the last number of decades.

You can relate whatever to whatever but it remains that there is a classification of drugs in most countries and under that scheme, Pot is religated as a dangerous narcotic while it is has not potential for harm even remotely on the level of Alcohol and Tobacco.


Quite honestly from my own studies and reports I've read over the years, Weed itself still isn't the safest recreational drug out there. Apparently it's 2nd to Shrooms, as shrooms even has less side effects to it compared to Weed. But Weed was a very close second. I can not remember at this stage what was the 3rd safest, but I know it wasn't Caffine.

For example, in the UK, Magic Mushrooms in an injectible form, are listed with Heroin, Crack, Cocain and Crystal Meth and the trafficing of such gets you up to life in prison with an unlimited fine.



No, it is correct, as that is the exact same point I was trying to make. Pot has an equal amount to do with it as candy, sugars, salts, acids, meat, or whatever you put into your mouth. This report attempted to take that small factor and blow it up to make it sound worse then anything else.

Faulty logic here. It's like saying that pot is as dangerous as alcohol because someone who drinks a litre and a half of whiskey, then drives through rush hour traffic on a busy thoroughfare, is just as likely to crash their car as someone who has smoked three joints and drunk a litre and a half of whiskey then drove through rush hour traffic on a busy thoroughfare. It's being very very drunk and driving that does it not the Marijuana.

And it's not taking care of your teeth that causes gum disease, not smoking pot.
 

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Yeah, I've read everything you said. These lame attempts to link Marijuana with all sorts of scary stuff on the slightest premise has become a joke. Not worth disputing but fun to mock. That you take umbrage and attempt to cast aspersion upon me for it, then turning around and tell me posting an actual bit of solid evidence is a waste of your time looks to me as though you are the one who can't seem to manage even a little research to back up your position.

You still seem to think I'm anti-pot and trying to link it to more side effects than any other activity or drug has. I'm saying it's not worth my time to write and anti-pot tyrade when I personally don't buy into much of it. The fact that I can see where it can cause gum disease is no different than the fact that I have to acknowledge that coffee can cause ulcers, steroids liver damage, and sun bathing skin cancer.
 

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You still seem to think I'm anti-pot and trying to link it to more side effects than any other activity or drug has. I'm saying it's not worth my time to write and anti-pot tyrade when I personally don't buy into much of it. The fact that I can see where it can cause gum disease is no different than the fact that I have to acknowledge that coffee can cause ulcers, steroids liver damage, and sun bathing skin cancer.

I'm asking is that you do what you ask me to do. I refute the goofy study as bad science and say it's not even remotely close to proving a fact. Maybe it's a fact that you believe something, but that shouldn't be confused with something factual about Marijuana.

You're welcome to make any statements you want about Pot but please don't attempt to condescend to me when I make fun of all the fluff that gets posted about it.
 

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I suppose one could. According to their data, of the 1015 participants in the study, 7 (rounding up) people who smoked Marijuana had some level of gum disease.
Maybe it's because they smoked Marijuana. Maybe not.

Shocking news Locutus.
 

Locutus

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Whether you agree or not, there it was. Maybe JAMA needs informed about the faulty science, maybe not. :smile:
 

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r u sure u want to go out with someone who takes "pink pills"? lol

Well you posted it, didn't you? I take them. I'm cool (but maybe we should cut this off) people will think we are actually communicating with each other.