Students saddened, shocked by killer's video

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By Andrea Hopkins

BLACKSBURG, Virginia (Reuters) - Students expressed disgust and disbelief at photos and a rage-filled video diatribe sent to a television network by the gunman who massacred 32 people at Virginia Tech university.

Half-a-dozen Virginia Tech students gathered silently around a bank of televisions in the student center late on Wednesday watching images of Cho Seung-Hui posing with his guns and video of him ranting against rich kids and debauchery.

The package received by NBC News on Wednesday carried a postmark showing Cho mailed his rambling manifesto after he killed his first two victims on Monday morning but before he went on to cut down 30 more people in classrooms.

"That's crazy. He kills two people and then goes to the post office and then he's ready for round two? It's creepy," said graduate student Nick Jeremiah, 34.

The images and long monologue suffused with paranoia and feelings of persecution painted a different picture of Cho, a 23-year-old student who has been described by teachers and other students as silent and withdrawn.

"He just goes on and on -- that's got to be more than he's spoken, ever," Jeremiah said. "I thought, 'well, he does talk."'

Devin Cornwall, 19, who watched the video in a dormitory room with two friends, said the gunman's hatred for rich children made no sense.

"To me, that doesn't personify any Tech student I know. I always think of us as a blue-collar place," Cornwall said.

In the video and an 1,800-word document, Cho railed against wealth and debauchery, portrayed himself as a defender of the weak and voiced admiration for the 1999 Columbine High School massacre.

"You have vandalized my heart, raped my soul and tortured my conscience," said Cho, speaking directly to the camera and occasionally looking down to read his message.

"You thought it was a pathetic boy's life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people."

'MENTALLY ILL'

The messages added to an already chilling portrait of Cho from roommates and teachers who described him as a disturbed loner. Cho had been accused of stalking female students and was taken to a psychiatric hospital in 2005 because of worries he was suicidal. A Virginia court order issued at the time declared him "mentally ill" and said he presented "an imminent danger to self or others," ABC News reported.

The shooting has rekindled debate over U.S. gun laws, the most lenient in the Western world. News of Cho's past contacts with police and mental health specialists raised further questions over whether anyone could have picked up warning signs.

University officials and police have been criticized for taking too long to alert students to the danger after Cho killed his first two victims in a dormitory just after 7 a.m.

CNN quoted from a search warrant affidavit on Wednesday that showed police suspected a different man of the first murders. The network said police had been told by a student that the boyfriend of murdered Emily Hilscher had recently taken her to a shooting range, and assumed he was the main suspect. They were interviewing him outside the campus when Cho began his classroom rampage.

On the sprawling rural campus in southwestern Virginia, students were beginning to look ahead to Monday, when classes will resume.

"It's going to be weird being back in class. We're still going to feel uneasy in big lecture halls, or crossing the drill field," said industrial design student Phil Padilla, 20.

Copyright © 2007 Reuters Limited.
 

Vereya

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I can't help wondering why did they show his video tape on television, for everyone to see. It might just become the last missing factor that would trigger someone else to do the same. I am not against freedom of speech, but in this instance I believe that it was dangerous to show this tape. Maybe I'm wrong, but one of the things people like this one crave, is publicity, at least a postmortal one. Seeing that this goal is achieved, another person might use the same method.
 

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I can't help wondering why did they show his video tape on television, for everyone to see. It might just become the last missing factor that would trigger someone else to do the same. I am not against freedom of speech, but in this instance I believe that it was dangerous to show this tape. Maybe I'm wrong, but one of the things people like this one crave, is publicity, at least a postmortal one. Seeing that this goal is achieved, another person might use the same method.

I have to agree. I can see no purpose in televising this looney's rants. Let the psychiatrists study the damn things but the students didn't need to see them and nor did anyone else.
 

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It came as no suprise to me that there are serious questions surrounding both the response to the initial event...by the police authorities and the emergence of a "profile" of a young troubled person exercising the right of his "American" status...to bear arms. Until the structure and mechanism of authorities enforcement procedures are changed to include some process of discovery regarding the psychological well-being...termperament of the individual attempting to obtain firearms, this carnage will only be repeated and continued...with escalation of tragedy and more band-aid solutions.
 

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By Andrea Hopkins

'MENTALLY ILL'

The messages added to an already chilling portrait of Cho from roommates and teachers who described him as a disturbed loner. Cho had been accused of stalking female students and was taken to a psychiatric hospital in 2005 because of worries he was suicidal. A Virginia court order issued at the time declared him "mentally ill" and said he presented "an imminent danger to self or others," ABC News reports.

Copyright © 2007 Reuters Limited.
That paragraph speaks volumes... There can be no doubt that this guy is mentally ill, and the pity of it is that Teachers having described him as a disturbed loner, did not do more to assess the seriousness of his apparent behaviour, and perhaps prevent the tragic outcome of his actions.
 

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No self-respecting American would dare question the right of any other American to bear arms...
We open a pandora's box when we dare to suggest that some individual is mentally unstable, and there are interests at work that stand to make "made-for-TV" and big-screen movies about the deranged behaviour of anyone and everyone...
We live in the postmodern consummerism of a society that's far happier to come by its fifteen minutes of fame....wailing and swooning after a cataclysm like this ...or piling flowers on an alter to the Princess of Windsor...Dianna.... moral outrage and demonstration of grief and sorrow are where the money's at...
We aren't interested in confronting the causalities behind grief...its more lucrative to film the event on your cell-phone and sell the footage to CNN and FOX....
Americans don't want to be held accountable....for anything including the right that a sick and severely disturbed young man can purchase a firearm and murder a bunch of kids...
Make for good photo-ops for a man who bombs and kills hundreds of thousands in nations around the world....makes good copy for a media devastated by the absence of a readily available Nicole whatshername....a media hungry to capture the dynamic and feed it to the populace to give them some hope that if they feel something...anything that it will convince them that they're alive....
Do something about this kind of thing......peshaw....
No bucks and publicity in that....
 

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Cho is not a citizen therefore has limited rights - he has no rights to bear arms but that has nothing to do with anyone wishing to shoot down people in cold blood - they give themselves all the rights they wish. He is allowed to purchase and carry a gun but has no rights....go figure...

Maybe it's just Virginia - I don't get it.
 

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You have the rights afforded you by the guy behind the counter. Do you honestly think that a business is going to forgo making a dollar by selling a high-capacity handgun to a person because that individual "might" be psychotic or disturbed????
The fundamental changes that need to occur in America aren't the kinds of changes that Americans regard as serving their interests...
never have been.
 

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That paragraph speaks volumes... There can be no doubt that this guy is mentally ill, and the pity of it is that Teachers having described him as a disturbed loner, did not do more to assess the seriousness of his apparent behaviour, and perhaps prevent the tragic outcome of his actions.
Excellent point, I was thinking the same.....the teachers should of been part of the solution, not just one of the students glaring at this kid as a disturbed loner. I mean this guy had a history of being a "nut" and seems to me no one did too much to help. If they acted on this disturbed loner earlier, he would of gotten help and those students would not of been slaughtered. There are certain pre-curses to this type of crime that people should of been paying attention too.
 

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Mickey

Cho is not a citizen therefore has limited rights - he has no rights to bear arms but that has nothing to do with anyone wishing to shoot down people in cold blood - they give themselves all the rights they wish. He is allowed to purchase and carry a gun but has no rights....go figure...

Maybe it's just Virginia - I don't get it.

From what I got from the news, greencard holders like him are treated the same as citizens when it comes to buying guns. I don't know if that's different state by state or what, but that's definitely the case in Virginia anyways. Personally, I find it concerning that someone who the court has declared an imminent danger before would have the right to buy guns ever, but I don't see any practical way to stop that.

I'm not watching this tape. I see him on tv and change the channel. I don't need to see some mentally ill person's rants.
 

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Excellent point, I was thinking the same.....the teachers should of been part of the solution, not just one of the students glaring at this kid as a disturbed loner. I mean this guy had a history of being a "nut" and seems to me no one did too much to help. If they acted on this disturbed loner earlier, he would of gotten help and those students would not of been slaughtered. There are certain pre-curses to this type of crime that people should of been paying attention too.

I believed he was refered for counselling by his teacher. I'm not sure they have any power beyond that. It's impossible to help someone against their will unless you can show they are an imminent threat to themselves or others and that isn't easy to do.
 

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Hmmm. I can't help but wonder.

After the Columbine shooting, young people everywhere were given an idea of who the shooters were, based on their actions, their reasons, and their dress. A young impressionable mind can then fill in the blanks, and create the template of a hero overtop the framework of minimal information.

By releasing this tape, I wonder if the media didn't take that possibility away. His mannerisms will be known. His flaws will be aired all around the country. His message, his paranoia, everything will be aired. If the framework of information on him is larger, does it then make it harder for an impressionable child to create a false facade overtop of it?

While I understand that some may still empathize with him, I think the possibility of him becoming a cult hero of sorts will be quite minimal.
 

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I dont really empathize with this guy.....I am just wondering what steps were taken or could have been taken to help prevent this situation. If you are armed with this information, then hopefully one might prevent it in the future.
 

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It's not about immigration, whether he was legal or not, whether guns should be sold to immigrants.

The two guys in columbine were not immigrants.
 

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Mickey - how about reading my post again without your 'twist' on it.... I was repeating what you wrote originally

Sigh - I guess you misunderstood my feeble attempt..... the 'right to bear arms' is part of the citizenship Oath - but anyone can purchase a gun if they comply with the laws of the State and the Federal government. Somes States are more lenient than others. I stated the kid had limited rights (bearing arms) but no restriction on buying a gun and shooting people in cold blood.

An immigrant with a legal alien card - who can prove over ninety days' consecutive residence (phone bills, electric/gas bills, cable bills, etc.), who has a green card, a driver license and can pass the background check can purchase a gun. There are about six or seven States which have even more stringent laws.

The problem here is - he wasn't kept overnight in a holding facility when he was referred to the outpatient clinic - had he been kept for one night it would have gone on his background check as a danger to himself and others.....this is printed up on both the Federal and State background checks.

Another reason for refusal is restraining orders by the court.... but DUI and drugs do not present a reason (I don't understand that one either)....

No self-respecting American would question any other American's right to bear arms" Where did you get that bit of whimsy?
 

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What I hear is, you live in a place where somebody can suddenly come into a store and buy two handguns, and a bunch of ammunition, and all they need is to show their citizenship ID. No questions asked, no police background check, no notification.

Where's the security check? You can't get on a bus without one, almost but here this guy comes out of the blue and buys guns, loads up on the ammo, and he ain't in no gun club. Do they even bother to check if he is in a gun club?

Time for a War on Guns.
 

Curiosity

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What I hear is, you live in a place where somebody can suddenly come into a store and buy two handguns, and a bunch of ammunition, and all they need is to show their citizenship ID. No questions asked, no police background check, no notification.

Where's the security check? You can't get on a bus without one, almost but here this guy comes out of the blue and buys guns, loads up on the ammo, and he ain't in no gun club. Do they even bother to check if he is in a gun club?

Time for a War on Guns.

No - tbud - everyone has to undergo a background/police check both FBI and local State police.

I was writing about Cho in the previous commentary - why would you think citizens don't have to get background checks???
 

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"You thought it was a pathetic boy's life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people."

sorry buddy, but jesus never ever died like you did, and he never left such a horrific message.

I can't understand how sick a man can get, its absolutely disgusting to even read about it. And how can he refer himself to Jesus Christ...i'm shocked 8O