Stephen Harper vows free vote on gay marriage
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Yep. :roll:
You're a real credit to your end of the political spectrum.
What's next?
The Thought Police, I presume.
neocon-hunter said:
Yep. :roll:
You're a real credit to your end of the political spectrum.
What's next?
The Thought Police, I presume.
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Thanks for the compliment. I really appreciate it, especially when I make the right squirm.
Stephen Harper is homophobic as is most of the conservative mp's and members.
Gay bashing is a hate crime in this country and I believe Harper and his ilk have been very close to crossing the line (if not over the line)on this.
We can not have a PM that does not hide his discriminatory views on a miniority group as leader of this country which is the Greatest Country on the Planet.
Thanks for the compliment. I really appreciate it, especially when I make the right squirm.
Stephen Harper is homophobic as is most of the conservative mp's and members.
Gay bashing is a hate crime in this country and I believe Harper and his ilk have been very close to crossing the line (if not over the line)on this.
We can not have a PM that does not hide his discriminatory views on a miniority group as leader of this country which is the Greatest Country on the Planet.
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with Harper.........a bush wannabee...... anything is possible. PROGRESSIVE conservative is one thing.......but anal retentive conservative is another. :x
Colpy said:
with Harper.........a bush wannabee...... anything is possible. PROGRESSIVE conservative is one thing.......but anal retentive conservative is another. :x
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All the progressive conservatives and small "c" conservatives were pushed out of the party when the Reform/Alliance merged with PC's.
The cons now are basically a western rump party that is made up of former reformer members.
I heard the PC sort of re started, I wonder if they will run anybody and if so how would it affect the Conservative Party? Especially in the Maratimes.
All the progressive conservatives and small "c" conservatives were pushed out of the party when the Reform/Alliance merged with PC's.
The cons now are basically a western rump party that is made up of former reformer members.
I heard the PC sort of re started, I wonder if they will run anybody and if so how would it affect the Conservative Party? Especially in the Maratimes.
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thanks. ( that clarifies some things for YT..)
So the cons don't really have a true identity as such......being a mix ....from merges etc.
Maybe this is why they can be so self contradictory. ........(and obnoxious.)
thanks. ( that clarifies some things for YT..)
So the cons don't really have a true identity as such......being a mix ....from merges etc.
Maybe this is why they can be so self contradictory. ........(and obnoxious.)
RE: Harper vows free vote
The cons would of been better off to let the Reform/Alliance dissolve and let people join the PC's if they wished.
Then would of still had small "c" conservatives and have the support of people who are more in the centre that may of voted for them, but with the backstabbing deal Peter McKay did to merge parties when he signed a piece of paper saying he would not and with Reformers basically controlling party, the cons lost a lot of small "c" cons and centre supporting type of people.
Not to mention Randy White and Elsie Wayne and many others have not helped the cons cause much over the years and neither has Harpers homophobic attitude.
The merger in a way really back fired. Harper is not the right man for the job, hell old Joe Clark could do a better job than Harper.
The cons would of been better off to let the Reform/Alliance dissolve and let people join the PC's if they wished.
Then would of still had small "c" conservatives and have the support of people who are more in the centre that may of voted for them, but with the backstabbing deal Peter McKay did to merge parties when he signed a piece of paper saying he would not and with Reformers basically controlling party, the cons lost a lot of small "c" cons and centre supporting type of people.
Not to mention Randy White and Elsie Wayne and many others have not helped the cons cause much over the years and neither has Harpers homophobic attitude.
The merger in a way really back fired. Harper is not the right man for the job, hell old Joe Clark could do a better job than Harper.
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Don't compliment yourself, it would take a lot more than you to make me squirm.
Baloney! I'm a CPC member, and was a Reform member. I'm far from homophobic, and I know no one in the party that is.
Since when has promising a vote on SSM, or for that matter expressing a positive opinion on the traditional definition of marriage been gay bashing? You don't understand much about freedom, do you?
See above.
This country is one of the best in the world because we are free. That means we have the freedom not only to disagree with you, but to express our opinions without threat of criminal sanction.
Grow up.[/quote]
Thanks for the compliment. I really appreciate it, especially when I make the right squirm.
Don't compliment yourself, it would take a lot more than you to make me squirm.
Baloney! I'm a CPC member, and was a Reform member. I'm far from homophobic, and I know no one in the party that is.
Since when has promising a vote on SSM, or for that matter expressing a positive opinion on the traditional definition of marriage been gay bashing? You don't understand much about freedom, do you?
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See above.
This country is one of the best in the world because we are free. That means we have the freedom not only to disagree with you, but to express our opinions without threat of criminal sanction.
Grow up.[/quote]
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Yep.
That's why they are running at 30% in the polls, while the NDP are running at 15%.
Spare me.
neocon-hunter said:
Yep.
That's why they are running at 30% in the polls, while the NDP are running at 15%.
Spare me.
RE: Harper vows free vote on gay marriage
the cons are the old "wolves in sheep's clothing". Harper and company can put on their "we are the good guys" faces all they want with clever skits, but it does not change what they really are, or what they would really do to canada.
the cons are the old "wolves in sheep's clothing". Harper and company can put on their "we are the good guys" faces all they want with clever skits, but it does not change what they really are, or what they would really do to canada.
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Well last 2 polls Harper is at 28% and 29%, why can't he catch the liberals? Why can't he capitalize on Gomery? Hell if Mulroney were to of started his career now he would be way up in the polls and been able to capitalize on Gomery. Harper is a weak link in the party. There is no viable replacement either.
They are a western Rump party.
In vote rich Ontario:
Libs-43%
Cons-33%
Ndp-18%
Bloc- 1%
Green-1%
Well last 2 polls Harper is at 28% and 29%, why can't he catch the liberals? Why can't he capitalize on Gomery? Hell if Mulroney were to of started his career now he would be way up in the polls and been able to capitalize on Gomery. Harper is a weak link in the party. There is no viable replacement either.
They are a western Rump party.
In vote rich Ontario:
Libs-43%
Cons-33%
Ndp-18%
Bloc- 1%
Green-1%
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Harper is a sad pathetic joke. No vision, No real plans. It seems his only concern is ssm. What a nutjob.
Harper is a sad pathetic joke. No vision, No real plans. It seems his only concern is ssm. What a nutjob.
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He is locked in a time warp (capsule -metaphorically speaking) and takes "conservative" to an extreme. Would be a disaster for Canada.
no1important said:
He is locked in a time warp (capsule -metaphorically speaking) and takes "conservative" to an extreme. Would be a disaster for Canada.
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Plus Harper is now trying to buy voters with a tax cut and promises of more to be announced. No word on how he plans to pay his for his healthcare plan. Of course he just started saying that he'd save healthcare, a 180 degree turn from things he has previously said, so it's doubtful that he plans to follow through on his promise.
Plus Harper is now trying to buy voters with a tax cut and promises of more to be announced. No word on how he plans to pay his for his healthcare plan. Of course he just started saying that he'd save healthcare, a 180 degree turn from things he has previously said, so it's doubtful that he plans to follow through on his promise.
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I think that's pretty much always part of Liberal calculations, regardless of whatever other factors are involved, but I don't think they'd have brought it up on their own. It was a political issue alright, but not one that involved the government or organized political parties in any significant way until a few other things happened. The initial impetus came from a number of judicial decisions that clearly defined it as a human rights issue, then a Supreme Court opinion to the effect that Parliament could legitimately redefine marriage. The Libs then saw it as an opportunity to make a positive (to most people), zero-cost change in social policy while painting the Conservatives as being stuck in the past. The Conservatives' greatest weakness in this campaign, I believe, is the far right rump the party still contains, that's still alarming a lot of voters in urban southern Ontario. That rump is what Harper was pandering to in mentioning the free vote, and now he's hoping it'll all just go away.
I'll be interested to see how this plays out in the campaign.
Jay said:
I think that's pretty much always part of Liberal calculations, regardless of whatever other factors are involved, but I don't think they'd have brought it up on their own. It was a political issue alright, but not one that involved the government or organized political parties in any significant way until a few other things happened. The initial impetus came from a number of judicial decisions that clearly defined it as a human rights issue, then a Supreme Court opinion to the effect that Parliament could legitimately redefine marriage. The Libs then saw it as an opportunity to make a positive (to most people), zero-cost change in social policy while painting the Conservatives as being stuck in the past. The Conservatives' greatest weakness in this campaign, I believe, is the far right rump the party still contains, that's still alarming a lot of voters in urban southern Ontario. That rump is what Harper was pandering to in mentioning the free vote, and now he's hoping it'll all just go away.
I'll be interested to see how this plays out in the campaign.
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Yep, they're a western rump party. That's why they are at close to double NDP numbers even in Liberal Ontario.
So, if the CPC is a western rump party, what does that make the NDP?
The National Arsehole Party?
neocon-hunter said:
Yep, they're a western rump party. That's why they are at close to double NDP numbers even in Liberal Ontario.
So, if the CPC is a western rump party, what does that make the NDP?
The National Arsehole Party?
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Colpy it seems to me if the Conservatives cannot gain substantial ground in Ontario, they have no chance.
It's my understanding that Harper represents Western views (paraphrased, I'm still trying to figure out what's up ). Ontario seems to be the key here, no?
Colpy it seems to me if the Conservatives cannot gain substantial ground in Ontario, they have no chance.
It's my understanding that Harper represents Western views (paraphrased, I'm still trying to figure out what's up
). Ontario seems to be the key here, no?
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Absolutely Ontario is the battleground. Ontario has 103 seats in a 308 seat legislature.
With 55 or 60 (at least) seats going to the Bloc Quebecois in Quebec, you can see how important Ontario is in the fight between the three national parties.
Over the last two elections Ontario has kept the Liberal Party in power. I don't know what they put in the water up there. :?
Does Harper represent western views?
The CPC is certainly more popular in the west than elsewhere, but I'm not sure that a political philosophy should be rejected simply because it comes from out west.
After all, every Prime Minister that has served for more than a few months for the last 37 years has been from Quebec.
Time for a BIG change, IMHO.
I think not said:Colpy it seems to me if the Conservatives cannot gain substantial ground in Ontario, they have no chance.
It's my understanding that Harper represents Western views (paraphrased, I'm still trying to figure out what's up
Absolutely Ontario is the battleground. Ontario has 103 seats in a 308 seat legislature.
With 55 or 60 (at least) seats going to the Bloc Quebecois in Quebec, you can see how important Ontario is in the fight between the three national parties.
Over the last two elections Ontario has kept the Liberal Party in power. I don't know what they put in the water up there. :?
Does Harper represent western views?
The CPC is certainly more popular in the west than elsewhere, but I'm not sure that a political philosophy should be rejected simply because it comes from out west.
After all, every Prime Minister that has served for more than a few months for the last 37 years has been from Quebec.
Time for a BIG change, IMHO.
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The reasons for that have less to do with politics than history. Jesuit education and a lively political debate has produced a climate in Quebec that creates excellent politicians. Whether you loved or hated Trudeau and Mulroney, they were excellent politicians...they knew how to play the game.
Mike Harris' conservative policies put poison in the water in Walkerton. Maybe that has something to do with it?
Pretty much exclusively. Worse than that, he really represents Alberta/rural views and most of the country is urban.
No, it should be rejected because it is wrong-headed and would diminish all of Canada.
The only thing that will be worse than the Liberals for trying to keep Quebec within Canada would be to elect the Conservatives.
It is time for a change. It's time to quit switching back and forth between two parties who live in the pocket of foreign corporations and choose a party that will bring real change.
The reasons for that have less to do with politics than history. Jesuit education and a lively political debate has produced a climate in Quebec that creates excellent politicians. Whether you loved or hated Trudeau and Mulroney, they were excellent politicians...they knew how to play the game.
Mike Harris' conservative policies put poison in the water in Walkerton. Maybe that has something to do with it?
Pretty much exclusively. Worse than that, he really represents Alberta/rural views and most of the country is urban.
No, it should be rejected because it is wrong-headed and would diminish all of Canada.
The only thing that will be worse than the Liberals for trying to keep Quebec within Canada would be to elect the Conservatives.
It is time for a change. It's time to quit switching back and forth between two parties who live in the pocket of foreign corporations and choose a party that will bring real change.
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"The only thing that will be worse than the Liberals for trying to keep Quebec within Canada would be to elect the Conservatives."
To be Frank (or Earnest) I don't take Quebec into consideration when I vote. Nothing will make Quebec happy, and I'm damn tired of the country being driven by the need to appease Quebec.
We'll cross the Quebec bridge when it looms before us.
"The only thing that will be worse than the Liberals for trying to keep Quebec within Canada would be to elect the Conservatives."
To be Frank (or Earnest) I don't take Quebec into consideration when I vote. Nothing will make Quebec happy, and I'm damn tired of the country being driven by the need to appease Quebec.
We'll cross the Quebec bridge when it looms before us.
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