Stephen Harper vows free vote on gay marriage

[Jo Canadian]

Re: Harper vows free vote on gay marriage

I made the first point. Homosexuals are genetic dead-enders. This point is critical to my argument. It is clear and simple. If you were ever willing to argue, then either agree with it (so we can move on) or disagree and provide an argument that counters it.

8O Pete, Pete, and Repeat. Are you stuck in a time warp or something? There have been relevant points given to you on your arguement. Are you not reading them or just ignoring them based on the fact that they're not the answers you're looking for.

Your record is on skip. Reread the posts and try come with a followup. Most here don't like repeating themselves, you seem to relish in it. Unless you're having a Groundhog day experience...

 

[Summer]

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Groundhogwild?? :lol:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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If you are capable of mustering a pro-homosexuality argument (like you said you could), you aren't showing it.

Any argument needs to follow a structure of point and counterpoint. Typically we can't move forward from a point without agreement. That would serve no purpose at all.

If you refuse to follow this structure, you were never sincerely willing to argue and I will claim victory by default.

I made the first point. Homosexuals are genetic dead-enders. This point is critical to my argument. It is clear and simple. If you were ever willing to argue, then either agree with it (so we can move on) or disagree and provide an argument that counters it.

I am willing to remain on this first basic point for as long as it takes to reach agreement.

When you agree, it becomes our shared truth and there is no turning back.

Going once.....twice....[/quote


hoghead: You will be waiting a LONG time before you get an agreement on that one.

the gay situation is not something one is FOR or AGAINST......it is not a political tidbit to be played with. Gays are PEOPLE......just as Blacks , yellows , greens are PEOPLE.......and as people they deserve the rights of PEOPLE and HUMAN BEINGS. They are NOT some item to be dissected under a microscope in a cold and indifferent lab.

the ONLY TRUTH on this issue is as above. They are PEOPLE as are others of whatever persuasion. That is the core factor and everything else is just bias, prejudice and plain pain in the buttsky ATTITUDE.

 

[zenfisher]

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If you are capable of mustering a pro-homosexuality argument (like you said you could), you aren't showing it.

Any argument needs to follow a structure of point and counterpoint. Typically we can't move forward from a point without agreement. That would serve no purpose at all.

If you refuse to follow this structure, you were never sincerely willing to argue and I will claim victory by default.

I made the first point. Homosexuals are genetic dead-enders. This point is critical to my argument. It is clear and simple. If you were ever willing to argue, then either agree with it (so we can move on) or disagree and provide an argument that counters it.

I am willing to remain on this first basic point for as long as it takes to reach agreement.

When you agree, it becomes our shared truth and there is no turning back.

Going once.....twice....

That would make it an agreement not an argument.In there, is where you have errored. As I have read, many have pointed out the flaw in your statement. Your whole statement hinges on agreeing that the sole pupose of life is reproduction. If that is what you believe, that's fine. I prefer to think our lives have a little more meaning than that.

Beyond the fact of which sex is preferred. Homosexuals are capable of reproducing. If you are implying that because homosexuals cannot reproduce with each other,consider this. If homosexuals are the product of two hetrosexuals... by your logic...that would mean that hetrosexuals are "genetic deadenders". as well. Therefore, your suppostion is flawed, and I for one cannot agree that it is correct.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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hoghead: You will be waiting a LONG time before you get an agreement on that one.

Especially since he hasn't presented a cogent argument or any evidence to support that argument.

When you agree, it becomes our shared truth and there is no turning back.

Your premise has been refuted. Now you either have to agree with that refutation or present real reasons why you not agree. Saying that homosexuals who have children are hypocrits is not a reason either, it's an evasion.

 

[no1important]

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Funny how boss-hog just shows up each morning blabbing the same old recycled bs over and over.

Boss-Hog please offer some facts and links to back up you claims. Then we can have a proper debate.

Same Sex couples can adopt, can use (like a previous poster mentioned) sperm and egg banks to have children.

Personally Boss-Hog I think you are spending far too much time listening to the likes of Stephen Harper, George Bush, Pat Robertson etc.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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Same Sex couples can adopt, can use (like a previous poster mentioned) sperm and egg banks to have children.

Not only that, but many people in same sex relationships have children from previous relationships. Clearly, they are not "genetic dead-enders" but as capable of passing on their genetic material as any other human being.

 

[Jo Canadian]

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Let's not forget there's even Hetro people who do not want or do not like kids. I knew a fellow like that, it was strange and different, but he actually had an aversion to children and would try to see women who were unable to have them.

I've always found it funny, but my old employer (who happened to be gay) pointed out some benefits to being in a relationship such as that. He referred to himself a DINK.

As in Double Income No Kids. ooooo :lol:

 

[Summer]

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Hey, I'm a straight female with no intention of having children. My fiance and I like kids, but we don't want to have any of our own, preferring to benefit the next generation in other ways, such as teaching or mentoring.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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Hey, I'm a straight female with no intention of having children. My fiance and I like kids, but we don't want to have any of our own, preferring to benefit the next generation in other ways, such as teaching or mentoring.

I like kids ........as long as they are someone elses and go home with their parents.;-) Have none of my own......by CHOICE. Career was the priority ......and benefitting society through medical care was the focus. ....(retired now......that is from Nursing;-)

If gay couples want children......they should be able to have them....... and I have seen many gay couples bring up very happy, and well adjusted kids.. seems they also try harder..

 

[Summer]

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Nursing is a tough profession, and takes a lot of energy. Hats off to you for having the dedication. How long were you in that career?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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Nursing is a tough profession, and takes a lot of energy. Hats off to you for having the dedication. How long were you in that career?

20 yrs........took an early retirement to focus on other studies... seems I am a "professional" student at heart..;-)

 

[Summer]

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Ah, I can totally relate to the "professional student" thing, as it sort of follows my own heart. I'm looking forward to returning to university studies myself eventually (the sooner the better!) and pursuing an eventual Ph.D in Linguistics and a career in academia. I've worked over the past 20-odd years in everything from retail to customer service to food service, sales, and various secretarial type positions, and really don't care for any of it.

At the moment I'm looking to learn web design online and try to do something with that in a way that will allow me the $$ and freedom to go back to university.

What are you studying these days?

 

[Said1]

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Ah, I can totally relate to the "professional student" thing, as it sort of follows my own heart. I'm looking forward to returning to university studies myself eventually (the sooner the better!) and pursuing an eventual Ph.D in Linguistics and a career in academia. I've worked over the past 20-odd years in everything from retail to customer service to food service, sales, and various secretarial type positions, and really don't care for any of it.

At the moment I'm looking to learn web design online and try to do something with that in a way that will allow me the $$ and freedom to go back to university.

What are you studying these days?

If you're anything like me, secretarial jobs and me was akin to trying to mix oil and water.

I liked sales and csr the best myself, but people and their personalities can get bothersome after awhile.

 

[Summer]

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Oh, very definitely like oil and water. Made me want to alternately scream, cry and run about in circles.

I'm much saner now.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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Ah, I can totally relate to the "professional student" thing, as it sort of follows my own heart. I'm looking forward to returning to university studies myself eventually (the sooner the better!) and pursuing an eventual Ph.D in Linguistics and a career in academia. I've worked over the past 20-odd years in everything from retail to customer service to food service, sales, and various secretarial type positions, and really don't care for any of it.

At the moment I'm looking to learn web design online and try to do something with that in a way that will allow me the $$ and freedom to go back to university.

What are you studying these days?

right now?.......Criminology. ( want to be a criminalist/profiler when I grow up.. :wink:

actually,it is for interest level......as apart from part time working.......doubt I will return to the work force full time. (getting a tad long in the tooth now. :wink:

like your idea of doing computer related work for income while studying. Working out of the home is the way to go for many students. Set up your own schedule etc...

 

[Summer]

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Yep, that's exactly what I'm thinking. I'm at the point in my life where I just can't see trying to work a full-time job according to someone else's schedule and attend school full-time at the same time, and if I want that Ph.D in time to do anything meaningful with it, I can't go to school just part time (I still need to finish my Bachelor's degree, as I quit school shortly after getting my Associate's in order to work two jobs and support myself).

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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Yep, that's exactly what I'm thinking. I'm at the point in my life where I just can't see trying to work a full-time job according to someone else's schedule and attend school full-time at the same time, and if I want that Ph.D in time to do anything meaningful with it, I can't go to school just part time (I still need to finish my Bachelor's degree, as I quit school shortly after getting my Associate's in order to work two jobs and support myself).

your are making a lot of good and practical sense. One of the major advantages of this computer age we live in now... is the degree of flexibility we can appoint our selves.

What is your focus in studies??

 

[Summer]

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It will be Historical and Comparative Linguistics, the evolution of modern language from ancient roots to the present-day languages and dialects of those languages. I'm looking at it more specifically with a view toward strategies for preserving languages that may be in danger of extinction, but really I also want to understand, and eventually teach, about how the languages we use came to exist in their current form and how they are even now evolving.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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It will be Historical and Comparative Linguistics, the evolution of modern language from ancient roots to the present-day languages and dialects of those languages. I'm looking at it more specifically with a view toward strategies for preserving languages that may be in danger of extinction, but really I also want to understand, and eventually teach, about how the languages we use came to exist in their current form and how they are even now evolving.

excellent ! I have a friend in the same field. Got her PhD at UBC and has a professorial position in San Francisco now. She is from the US. Is the author of several books now and co author of many more. Very dedicated and ambitious lady.