Sponsorship snub disconnects B.C. from real world
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The only crop I'm growing is my mustache and it down past my chin. Thanks for asking anyway.
Then don't bitch about those who need to deforest to feed your @ss because you can't or won't.
What consumes and sequesters more carbon? An acre of trees or an acre of wheat?
What consumes and sequesters more carbon? An acre of trees or an acre of wheat?
Extracting work from the environment necessarily entials degrading the environment. You have to pay the piper in some way, shape or form.
They have a much lower impact that the vast use of fossil fuels.
Alberta is far more disconnected from reality when it comes to energy policy than BC. Current fossil fuel use isn't sustainable and power generation capacity we're currently using and constructing is going to also generate immense costs in the near and long term. The recent flash flooding of southern Alberta and Toronto are just two cases of the consequences of fossil fuel driven climate change. It may not appear on your electricity bill, but we're all going to pay the costs that have been artificially externalized from fossil fuel power production.
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The people of BC in majority don't want Enbridge anywhere near this Province.
Most support others but not Enbridge. Many do not want the tankers in tight
water conditions either especially Enbridge. I am not a tree hugger and I am
not especially against pipelines but I have no respect for Enbridge.
Kinder Morgan is a reputable company not Enbridge.
The other thing is we the people in majority don't want Northern Gateway and
that is our right. By the way we also regard the harbours is ours not everyones
Most support others but not Enbridge. Many do not want the tankers in tight
water conditions either especially Enbridge. I am not a tree hugger and I am
not especially against pipelines but I have no respect for Enbridge.
Kinder Morgan is a reputable company not Enbridge.
The other thing is we the people in majority don't want Northern Gateway and
that is our right. By the way we also regard the harbours is ours not everyones
Big deal. You realize those "tight waters" are all dead from sodium fluoride from ALCAN. How many in BC know that Enbridge bought out Conoco and that it's the old Conoco lines and clean up crews that are the problem? Did you know that?
Kinder Morgan also has a checkered past when it comes to pipeline safety, they've had an number of spectacular failures, one in the middle of Burnaby a few years back.
3 companies plead guilty to Burnaby oil spill - British Columbia - CBC News
Trans Mountain is a Kinder Morgan company.
Kinder Morgan
No they aren't, petros. There's some localized contamination. The pulp mill tainting the eulachon fish (which the natives like) was a bigger problem. And dioxins and furans were a problem with the old pulp mill. But the mill has shut down now. (Ironically the natives were all bent out of shape when the mill closed, becasue the mill had been shooting them a bunch of cash in compensation for the eulachon tainting--go figger). But the entire arm is teeming with life. There's shellfish fisheries, salmon fisheries, orcas, humpbacks.
I have a hard time blaming the 2007 spill on Trans Mountain. Sure, they should have groundtruthed their pipeline route, but buddy operating the backhoe was the real culprit. (For those of you who don't know the main pressureized Kinder Morgan crude line was busted open in Burnaby near Vancouver Harbour by a backhoe driver hitting it repeadly. Ting Ting -- "What's that ringing sound?" -- Ting Ting -- "Can you guys here that?" -- Ting Ting). And they are a hard-nosed bunch but the response to that spill was actually pretty good.
From what I recall they'd had a foggy idea of where the line even was, that doesn't sound like very sound operating procedure for a serious pipeline company.
Burnaby wasn't the only accident for them.
Kinder Morgan Energy Partners - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
When you get the same thing happening repeatedly at some point it stops being an accident.
What are the odds of a tanker crashing and making the "localized " sodium fluoride problems and dioxins worse for the poor natives who shop at Overwaitea than the lay-offs from plant closures they've already experienced?
Like most accidents, it was a cascade failure involving several parties, including Kinder Morgan.
Here's the Transportation Safety Board summary if you need a sleeping pill:
Transportation Safety Board of Canada - Pipeline Investigation Report P07H0040
How did the NG pipelines that follow the same routes as Gateway get approved?
What would a liquefied CNG ship do to the environment if it sinks or explodes?
What would a liquefied CNG ship do to the environment if it sinks or explodes?
It looks like there was just wasn't much diligence shown by a lot of the parties including KMC.
