Spare me the hypocrisy of the extreme Remoaners over the proroguing of Parliament

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Wouldn't the Remainer anti-proroguers be just a tad more convincing if many of them were not simultaneously scouring the statute book for procedural wheezes which might allow them to get their own way?

Spare me the hypocrisy of the extreme Remoaners who would use the Queen to block no deal




Ross Clark
The Telegraph
19 July 2019

I happen to agree with those who think it would be an outrage for the new Prime Minister to prorogue Parliament in the autumn in order to prevent MPs blocking a no-deal Brexit – something that the Conservative leadership frontrunner Boris Johnson hasn’t said he will do but hasn’t exactly ruled out either.

When you have campaigned to save British democracy from interference by unelected EU officials it would be pretty bizarre to try to thwart that democracy.

But wouldn’t the anti-proroguers be just a tad more convincing if many of them were not simultaneously scouring the statute book for procedural wheezes which might allow them to get their own way? If proroguing Parliament would be an outrage I don’t know what word there is left to describe the scheme dreamed up by Tory MPs to make a humble address to the Queen, requesting that Her Majesty toddle off to the next EU summit, above the heads of her own government, to ask for an extension to article 50.

If there is one principle which has guaranteed the stability of British democracy while countries around us have descended into bloody revolution and fascism, it is that the monarch keeps his or her nose out of politics. Surely even the worst sufferers from Brexit Derangement Syndrome can see that.

Maybe the plotters would just like to answer this: how would they have reacted had the Queen – who you may remember was reported privately to sympathise with the case for leaving the EU – had concluded her Christmas message before the referendum with the words “and hopefully, in the coming year, my people will vote to become a sovereign nation again and sock it to those ghastly foreign bureaucrats who want to regulate the size of our corgis. God bless each and every one of you”?

For the past three years we have had no end of attempts by Remainers to fiddle with the constitution, run off to the courts and find other underhand methods of overturning the 2016 referendum result.

We’ve had John Bercow cite 17th Century precedent to block a vote on Theresa May’s deal.

We’ve had a crowd-funded effort to prosecute Boris for misconduct in public office over claims made in the referendum campaign.

We have had an attempt to have the Brexit result declared null and void in the High Court. We’ve had calls for people of low intelligence to be barred from voting. We have had John Major threaten to start a judicial review to prevent a no-deal Brexit.

And we have had Gina Miller try to drag the government through the courts at every opportunity, treating Britain as if it were a kritarchy – the rule of judges. She won her case demanding that Parliament vote to enact Article 50, but when it did vote for that very thing, with a no-deal departure as the default option, she didn’t like that either.

The Remainer hold-outs behind these schemes are no great sticklers for democracy or constitution. They will happily use whatever underhand method they can, if it helps them get their way – but then scream blue murder when Brexiteers respond in kind.

Much as I disagree with the idea of proroguing Parliament to stop a rebellion against the government, there are a few MPs who would have no-one to blame but themselves were they were to be hoist on their own procedural petards.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...reme-remoaners-would-use-queen-block-no-deal/
 

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Screw the Commonwealth too!


Would you like Canada to join the EU and be ruled by the unelected German Ursula von der Leyen, who has left German soldiers armed with sticks rather than guns and the entre flotilla of German Navy submarines unseaworthy, or are you Canada's equivalent of a Brexiteer/Leaver?

You could be one of us, but so thick you hadn't realised it.
 

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Would you like Canada to join the EU and be ruled by the unelected German Ursula von der Leyen, who has left German soldiers armed with sticks rather than guns and the entre flotilla of German Navy submarines unseaworthy, or are you Canada's equivalent of a Brexiteer/Leaver?
You could be one of us, but so thick you hadn't realised it.
How can a Canadian be a Brexiteer/Leaver?

You are aware that Canada is not, and never was, part of the EU, right?

Feel free to answer "Well I don't know" again. It suits you.
 

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How can a Canadian be a Brexiteer/Leaver?

You are aware that Canada is not, and never was, part of the EU, right?

Feel free to answer "Well I don't know" again. It suits you.

If anyone doesn't know, it's you. You didn't read my post properly. But, as many are well aware, that's not too surprising.

As for you, what do YOU think about the USA maybe one day joining the EU? I suppose you'd like that, being a big EU fan. I can imagine you at rallies calling for the USA to be a member state.

So when you do hope the USA's accession to the EU will happen?


I'm still waiting for Mr Petros to give me his ideas on Canada's joining of the EU.


Maybe, and this is what I suspect, I have the equivalent of a Canadian and American Brexiteer on my hands. Either that, or you wish your countries to join the EU.
 
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If anyone doesn't know, it's you. You didn't read my post properly. But, as many are well aware, that's not too surprising.

As for you, what do YOU think about the USA maybe one day joining the EU? I suppose you'd like that, being a big EU fan. I can imagine you at rallies calling for the USA to be a member state.

So when you do hope the USA's accession to the EU will happen?


I'm still waiting for Mr Petros to give me his ideas on Canada's joining of the EU.


Maybe, and this is what I suspect, I have the equivalent of a Canadian and American Brexiteer on my hands. Either that, or you wish your countries to join the EU.
Are you drunk? You make about as much sense as a really drunk Limey.
 

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Are you drunk? You make about as much sense as a really drunk Limey.

Do YOU think Canada should join the EU?

Or are YOU yet another Canadian equivalent of a Brexiteer?!


Nobody has answered any of my questions yet. I wonder why...
 

Blackleaf

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I'll give it several hours to see if I get answers.

I can't wait.
 

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I'll give it several hours to see if I get answers.

I can't wait.
Probably because your questions are absurd and ridiculous.



BTW, as I have made clear many times before, I think the monarchy should be abolished and all ties to England severed except for trade. What is the point of those inbred royals anyway?
 

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Are you drunk? You make about as much sense as a really drunk Limey.
Well, look at cliffy the racist. FFS DOOODETTE!

You really are showing signs of being a projecting obtuse bullsh!T retard right there dearie.



You LIMEY HATER

Being a Hypocrite is the lowest thing a person can be, and you have certainly proven that.
 
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Do YOU think Canada should join the EU?

Or are YOU yet another Canadian equivalent of a Brexiteer?!


Nobody has answered any of my questions yet. I wonder why...


I never understood your line of thinking on this.


Why would Canada - who is not part of Europe - join the EU?


At one time I could see why Britain did join it, but like Tec says, I really, REALLY wish you'd all just effin leave it already so you can STFU finally.
 

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I never understood your line of thinking on this.
Why would Canada - who is not part of Europe - join the EU?
At one time I could see why Britain did join it, but like Tec says, I really, REALLY wish you'd all just effin leave it already so you can STFU finally.

Why shouldn't it join the EU? There have been discussions about it between Canada and the EU in the past.
 

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Why shouldn't it join the EU? There have been discussions about it between Canada and the EU in the past.


Since 2005, yes.


And no, Canada should not join the EU.


For what reason *would* we join the EU? We already have trade agreements, we aren't close enough to worry about open borders.



I get your reason you ask is likely to try and compare Canada to the UK in its joining of the EU, but considering the times the UK first joined, and the world situations then vs now, there was reasons then to do so. You cannot compare then and now, and you can't compare Canada to the UK.
 

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... and neither should Paraguay or East Timor ... all of them Brexiters.

I agree. I daresay most Paraguayans and East Timorians don't want their countries in the EU.

That makes them exactly like most Britons and exactly like the Brexiteers/Leavers. You yourself - unless you do what your country in the EU - are the Canadian equivalent of a Brexiteer. And yet you constantly attack Brexiteers in the UK who are, at the end of the day, exactly like you.

I mean, we're not dealing in rocket science here. Canada, and most countries in the world, are like Britain - they don't want to be part of the EU. So I think it rather odd, and hypocritical, to criticise the British just for being exactly like the Canadians and Paraguayans and Mongols.
 

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So you're a Canadian equivalent of a Brexiteer. You don't want your country to be part of the EU.


Actually that's not true.


I can't say what I would be, had my country been part of the EU, but then decided to leave it.


As I said, you are trying to equate the two countries, when there is no equating them, just by virtue of the fact Canada does not need to be in the EU.


It's not as simple as that, though I get why you think it is. Your history doesn't exactly favor you thinking about topics that are fairly complex.
 

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I can't say what I would be

You don't want your country to be in the EU. That's no different from what Brexiteers believe, you dope. I find it very odd that you attack Brexiteers when you share the exact same beliefs.

Canada does not need to be in the EU.

Neither does Britain.