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[Mowich]

Don't you folks have your own First Nation issues? Perhaps you should tend to your own nation first.

As a matter of fact we do, and you are absolutely right.

 

[countryboy]

Don't you folks have your own First Nation issues? Perhaps you should tend to your own nation first.

Actually, we have a lot of nation problems that need to be addressed - First Nations (plural), the Quebec Nation, and there are likely more...we're a "Nation of Nations" with lotsa' problems.

 

[Mowich]

Watcha trying to do Cupcake? Name one STATE that is exploring the "'right to secede from the US". Do not say Vermont, because the State is not looking into it.

Gee, by golly, I hope the following statement is not true, if it is how backward can Canada be towards its First Nations people? Took ya long enough to try and catch up.


"The only citizens in Canada who did not have full access to basic, fundamental human rights under the Canadian Human Rights Act until June 2008 were First Nations citizens.

Section 67 of the Canadian Human Rights Act shielded INAC and band councils from decisions they made against band members. In other words, they were allowed to DISCRIMINATE against First Nations people.

CAP launched a campaign to repeal section 67 so that First Nations people would have access to human rights equal to other Canadians.

Canadian Human Rights Commission :: Resources :: Publications :: Reports

And we can thank our sound Conservative government for correcting that wrong. Previous governments wouldn't touch it. I applauded Stephen Harper for doing so, it was too long overdue.

 

[Mowich]

[EagleSmack;1205992]

Oh there is always a crowd in Vermont that wants to secede. A small crowd but they make a little noise that is good for a laugh. Even Martha's Vineyard had a small group that wanted to make their little island a nation. An island that is 100% dependant on the mainland.

We in Canada are not immune to talk of separation, as we call it here. Before the Conservative party came to power federally, you could find all kinds of Western separatist parties. There was, may still be, a party that espoused the separation of BC, AB, and Yukon to form a country of their own. I was hoping someone would add Sask to that party and then I would join. :lol: A few of those parties are still around but having a PM and more than a few Ministers from the West has changed the balance of power back East, and western concerns - long-held concerns - have been and are being addressed.

As i said...there is NO RIGHT FOR STATES TO SECEDE from the United States. They can pour over all the documentation they want and they will find APPOMATTOX at the end.

It isn't easy for a province to separate from the ROC either - thank heavens. :canada:

 

[ironsides]

Montana Could Secede Over Gun Rights Decision


Here’s an interesting take on gun control: When Montana entered into the Union, it did so on the condition that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to bear arms. Should it be re-interpreted to mean a state’s right to arm its National Guard, then this would place the Second Amendmment further down the list of rights. This, in turn, would violate the pact the state has with the Union (presumably, they value this right highly), and could lead to secession.



Grandinite » Montana Could Secede Over Gun Rights Decision

This next link is even better.
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Topic: Constitutional Issues
34 and 38 : How to legally dissolve the U.S. Federal Government
A Constitutional Explanation of how to legally dissolve the U.S. Federal Government."

34 and 38 : How to legally dissolve the U.S. Federal Government

You brought up a good point and a very interesting question. Wonder if there are any other little clauses like that with other states? But since the Democrats do not hold the vise grip they once held, new changes will not be pushed thru so fast now, they might have to work a little. No state has a right to succession though.

 

[lone wolf]

You brought up a good point and a very interesting question. Wonder if there are any other little clauses like that with other states? But since the Democrats do not hold the vise grip they once held, new changes will not be pushed thru so fast now, they might have to work a little. No state has a right to succession though.

It shouldn't come as any surprise that there might be little enticements for some states to have joined the original 13.

 

[Johnnny]

no one should seperate, because like they said war is all hell

 

[EagleSmack]

Also hasn't some bills in the US been passed without examination by the same ones who vote on making it legal or not. Canada would do the same if it served the purposes of the Gov.

Absolutely and it gets us pretty upset as they are elected and paid to understand what they are signing. I am sure it get's Canadians upset as well.

 

[MHz]

Absolutely and it gets us pretty upset as they are elected and paid to understand what they are signing. I am sure it get's Canadians upset as well.

I'm beginning to thing 'the People as a whole' are pretty apathetic about what the Gov does or doesn't do.
What part was it that came to power in the West and before getting to Ottawa they swore up and down that the Federal pensions were way out of line (entitlement for life after serving 4 years) and they would not take the offer. 4 years + 1 day they all changed their minds and saw the rate as being a little low actually. If John Q Public is being screwed at that low a level what hope is there (of the People being the Boss)?
You might even be in the same boat that Canada is in (without anybody caring), Canada is a bride in waiting, without the consent (via national vote) of the People (of the Sovereign Provinces) the conditions laid out have not been followed. Nobody cares really, I find that a little strange actually.

If the opposition isn't given the material before the vote then debate is impossible.

"Does Hawaii want to secede from the Union? That sounds like a preposterous question, but the official Office of Hawaiian Affairs advertises on its website that the legislation scheduled to be voted on soon in the U.S. Senate will give Native Hawaiians "self-determination" to choose "total independence" or any other form of government."
Does Hawaii Want To Secede From The Union? -- Phyllis Schlafly Sept. 28, 2005 column.

 

[EagleSmack]

"Does Hawaii want to secede from the Union? That sounds like a preposterous question, but the official Office of Hawaiian Affairs advertises on its website that the legislation scheduled to be voted on soon in the U.S. Senate will give Native Hawaiians "self-determination" to choose "total independence" or any other form of government."
Does Hawaii Want To Secede From The Union? -- Phyllis Schlafly Sept. 28, 2005 column.

Five years later and you can STILL visit the STATE of Hawaii.

 

[ironsides]

"Does Hawaii want to secede from the Union? That sounds like a preposterous question, but the official Office of Hawaiian Affairs advertises on its website that the legislation scheduled to be voted on soon in the U.S. Senate will give Native Hawaiians "self-determination" to choose "total independence" or any other form of government."
Does Hawaii Want To Secede From The Union? -- Phyllis Schlafly Sept. 28, 2005 column.

No question about it Native ethnic Hawaiians should be given the same rights as other Native American Indian Nations. They are nations within the nation of the United States, not independent countries able to negotiate treaties with other countries. That is about as far as it will go.