Some people just don't get it.

[Impetus]

When I hear the term "Drugs" used in such a way it loses any credibility in my book.
As if all drugs are the same...

Funny, my doc prescribed an anti-inflammatory DRUG for me which was soon pulled from the market because it was killing people.

Now there's drug abuse!

By the way, I just read the DRUG most abused by teens nowadays is...Oxycontin!
Poor man's heroin...just as addicting and of course the only legal pushers are MDs.

My back hurts...;-)

Muz

 

[karrie]

Having gotten to know so many people with chronic pain issues I find the attitude towards alternative pain reliefs to be very interesting.

Vicodin, Percoset, Oxycontin, and a plethora of related drugs are accepted pain relief for arthritic and autoimmune conditions that limit a person's productivity and ability to carry about daily routines. Chronic pain patients pop a pill, jump in their vehicles, and head out for the day to get their chores done before the drugs wear off. They are drugging at work, they are drugging on errands, they're drugging while cooking meals for their kids. And it's perfectly accepted and sanctioned not only within the chronic pain community, but by their doctors and families. No one seems phased by all the narcotic hazed people running around.

Mention that marijuana has a calmative effect on nerve receptors in the brain which can enable people to go sometimes even days with lessened pain from one dose, and people freak and worry you're a 'drug' addict.

How people who smoke a joint are worse or more dangerous to society than all the people running around on narcotics all day is beyond me. How people can think it's any harder on your body than narcotics and anti-inflammatories is beyond me.

There's such a huge double standard surrounding it that I just want to scream at times.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

For example, high school kids deal drugs in high school, not some old dude, so under these laws, high school kids will end up in prison sentences of at least a year plus the criminal record to try and get a job with.

So, they should not get a criminal record for dealing drugs? If they don't want the record ... they shouldn't deal drugs (or at least not get caught).

If they are young enough, they would still be under the Young Offender Act anyway.

 

[darkbeaver]

The article doesn't cover the medicinal usefulness either - as in pain relief, as in its use as an expectorant for people who can't take recognized anti-asthma drugs, as in it's relief of blood vessel constraint (which makes it useful in the treatment of glaucoma and migraine headache) The effects they do list as medical concerns, oddly enough, sound very near the same as those of intoxication. Those effects vanish with the buzz.

Altered bloodflow to the brain? Might I (and a great many physicians) suggest increased bloodflow in the brain - therefore more oxygen - is a good thing? And from experience, I can safely say it does expand your thoughts to well beyond the box sometimes....

Propaganda against cannabis (both Sativa L and Indica) is easy to find. The alcohol and pharmaceutical industries are as afraid of the competition today as the wood, paper and textile industries were a hundred years ago.

Ever given some thought as to why cancer is running so rampant? Chemistry! They have a pill for everything today. What does it really do? Doctor-prescribed and socially acceptable junk is a lot more dangerous than an herb. (It's the spice I use in my barely-legal moosemeat spaghetti sauce and it didn't kill Mom or make her crazy - or even give her a light head) Yes, marijuana IS an intoxicant - just like every drug including alcohol - and as such is subject to abuse. God made pot. Man made chemistry. Who do YOU trust?

Woof!

Trust the smoke, the real smoke, not the smelly exhaust of the Pharmlobcon. Squeekhackhack Woof! oh boy my first forigne language:smile:

 

[Niflmir]

Having gotten to know so many people with chronic pain issues I find the attitude towards alternative pain reliefs to be very interesting.

Vicodin, Percoset, Oxycontin, and a plethora of related drugs are accepted pain relief for arthritic and autoimmune conditions that limit a person's productivity and ability to carry about daily routines. Chronic pain patients pop a pill, jump in their vehicles, and head out for the day to get their chores done before the drugs wear off. They are drugging at work, they are drugging on errands, they're drugging while cooking meals for their kids. And it's perfectly accepted and sanctioned not only within the chronic pain community, but by their doctors and families. No one seems phased by all the narcotic hazed people running around.

Mention that marijuana has a calmative effect on nerve receptors in the brain which can enable people to go sometimes even days with lessened pain from one dose, and people freak and worry you're a 'drug' addict.

How people who smoke a joint are worse or more dangerous to society than all the people running around on narcotics all day is beyond me. How people can think it's any harder on your body than narcotics and anti-inflammatories is beyond me.

There's such a huge double standard surrounding it that I just want to scream at times.

Cheers, Karrie. I don't think I ever considered the people that use prescription painkillers and then drive. Thats a novel outlook for me.

 

[Unforgiven]

So, they should not get a criminal record for dealing drugs? If they don't want the record ... they shouldn't deal drugs (or at least not get caught).

If they are young enough, they would still be under the Young Offender Act anyway.

Not if this war on drugs is supposed to target the big players and not the end users. This as usual is just a crack down on the Poor, the Youth and the numbers that make for a good statistic to toss around and say your tough on crime.

There are major league criminal organizations in Canada, but you aren't about to see a few hundred arrests a day for that. How many organized gangs can you see in any big Canadian city? Toronto has them all.

You don't see some kid in school who sells half pound of pot to pay for it, knocking off any rivals, shipping guns into the country and operating the theft rings.

Go ahead and bust those 10,000 plant grow ops. Arrest those guys making the 500 kg Heroin and Cocaine drops. Or the people growing to provide medical pot for people ailing from bona fide medically unaddressed problems.

But you and I know that this isn't going to stop any of the criminal problems associated with the sale of pot don't we. It's political fluff aimed at those who are paranoid enough to buy into the fear and consume prescribed ethic.

Someone smoking pot has never at any time put you in danger. But you in trying to stop someone from smoking pot, have put us all in danger.

 

[Unforgiven]

Cheers, Karrie. I don't think I ever considered the people that use prescription painkillers and then drive. Thats a novel outlook for me.

Is there a law against being impaired by medicine and driving a car? No roadside testing other than field sobriety if I'm not mistaken. Blood test maybe only if you are arrested though. But for what? What's the legal limit?

 

[darkbeaver]

There isn't a single spelling error in Kreskins post, but there are 5 spelling errors in your own post. Maybe YOU should learn how to spell before commenting on other people's spelling.

You're right,I'll immeadiately apologize to Kreskin for being to criticle of the article.

 

[lone wolf]

Is there a law against being impaired by medicine and driving a car? No roadside testing other than field sobriety if I'm not mistaken. Blood test maybe only if you are arrested though. But for what? What's the legal limit?

Even for a commercial driver, script excuses what turns up in a pee test. Besides, a urine test is easy enough to beat - unless they actually watch. The scary part is I drove east coast to west coast, Arctic Circle to the Mexican border - hundreds of thousands of miles - in a rig that could make speed bumps of a lot of traffic. When it all hit the fan, I was eating percs almost by the handful. It was legal, medical and prescribed, so who really paid attention?

Woof!

 

[darkbeaver]

There isn't a single spelling error in Kreskins post, but there are 5 spelling errors in your own post. Maybe YOU should learn how to spell before commenting on other people's spelling.

There are seven spelling errors gerryh.

 

[DurkaDurka]

There are seven spelling errors gerryh.

relax DB, take a hit from the bong and pass it my way.

 

[darkbeaver]

relax DB, take a hit from the bong and pass it my way.

Here you go it's bubble H 120 micron screen. not much left so enjoy it:lol:

 

[gerryh]

Ok....what the hell does caffeine, script drugs etc have to do with coming down harder on those that choose to traffic in illegal narcotics? All of you bringing up all this other crap are just throwing out straw men to muddy the waters.

You want MJ to be made available for medical purposes, then lobby for that. Nobody is saying that cannabis is not a viable alternative to other drugs.

What this law is for, and I feel it doesn't go far enough, is make people think twice..hopefully. The comments about truckers using uppers like candy to stay awake....I say nail em to the wall and permanently revoke their license when caught. That goes for drinking drivers etc. Zero tolerance.

 

[darkbeaver]

Ok....what the hell does caffeine, script drugs etc have to do with coming down harder on those that choose to traffic in illegal narcotics? All of you bringing up all this other crap are just throwing out straw men to muddy the waters.

You want MJ to be made available for medical purposes, then lobby for that. Nobody is saying that cannabis is not a viable alternative to other drugs.

What this law is for, and I feel it doesn't go far enough, is make people think twice..hopefully. The comments about truckers using uppers like candy to stay awake....I say nail em to the wall and permanently revoke their license when caught. That goes for drinking drivers etc. Zero tolerance.

If we eliminate all the people under the influance of one drug or another the economy would stop. I worked in a big factory once they didn't care what you ate to get the job done.

 

[karrie]

Is there a law against being impaired by medicine and driving a car? No roadside testing other than field sobriety if I'm not mistaken. Blood test maybe only if you are arrested though. But for what? What's the legal limit?

exactly... there's no more reliable a roadside test for prescription narcotic prescriptions than there is for pot. Both suppress your reactions and impair reasoning.

 

[gerryh]

exactly... there's no more reliable a roadside test for prescription narcotic prescriptions than there is for pot. Both suppress your reactions and impair reasoning.

and if you cause an accident, and the police get a warrant for a blood test and find you are under the "influence" you can be charged.

 

[Unforgiven]

and if you cause an accident, and the police get a warrant for a blood test and find you are under the "influence" you can be charged.

What is the legal limit to operate a vehical under precription drugs?

 

[karrie]

and if you cause an accident, and the police get a warrant for a blood test and find you are under the "influence" you can be charged.

You think that any court would take a chronic pain patient and charge them for having their prescribed medication evident in their system? When metabolic rates are so individual? I wouldn't count on it.

 

[Durgan]

Alcohol is the cause of more misery in our society than all the illegal drugs combined.

I could whole-heardly support laws if they had this:

Never, never have mandatory sentences on the books.
Take marajuana off the illegal drug list, simply ignore it. (Similar to Diviners Sage)
Impose the laws of Singapore with regards to hard drugs.

Durgan.
http://www.durgan.org/Blog/Durgan.html

 

[lone wolf]

I actually do think Harper's getting the right idea in targeting the distribution networks and in steering the user toward help. You can't simply ignore marijhanah - but you can control it. Control kicks down risk-fired mark-up and at least makes the attempt to keep it out of the hands of the vulnerable and the dealers.

None of it has looked into the pharmaceutical industry itself. Their products have been real poison. Oxyconton and Zoloft come to mind. I believe they have to do more testing on the binders and chemicals. A lot of them are carcinogens. What is so wrong with using opium as an active ingredient instead of synthesizing it with chemicals that we really know nothing about?

Woof!