Solving Torontos Gun Crime: Cut Immigration From Jamica.

[Hank C]

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What does immigration have to do with gun crime?

The problem is lack of parenting when children are in their formative years.

The problem is NOT immigration, poverty or any of the other excuses racists and politicians love use.

its not parenting .....when you are 25 years old, you are old enough to make decisions for yourself and be held accountable for them. I and most other law abiding people have no problem taking responsibility for our actions....parenting as an excuse is jsut throwing another wrench in the spoke of justice.....

 

[Jersay]

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Jersay -- Beleive what you want.

But the anglosaxon majority to which you are clearly not a part believes otherwise. And you would never know unless you walked among them.

The only other way to become a TRUE Canadian, is like I said, embrace the culture, country, langauge, history, value and RESPECT FOR RULE OF LAW, above all else.

Then you are a true citizen irregardless. This is what it means in the US to pledge your allegiance solely to the United States of America, and to its Constitution and denounce and surrender all other alligeances with foreign powers. Period.

Again, you aren't very good at reading comprehension because ive had to reiterate points to you three or four times before you 'get it'.

Spoon feed.

My friend, my parents are white anglo-saxon majority that you speak off. I look Arabic or Chinese to some people I meet but I was born in Quebec and I am a French-Canadian. I understand the white majority philospohy that you can't get everything going probably unless you have everyone assimilated into the dominant society.

However, there have been problems with that philosophy, look at Residential schools for an example.

I agree there should be assimilation into respecting the laws, culture and systems and principles of your new country however, I believe cultures all cultures bring interest to a society.

I am apart of society, I am in the Canadian army, I took the Queen's oath, and I am sure alot of other cultures respect Canadian culture and abide by the rules so I don't know how stoping immigration from a certain group of people will stop the crime in the streets.

In 1991, when Toronto had its worst murders, was it from black people, when it had its 88 homicides?

 

[Citizen]

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its not parenting .....when you are 25 years old, you are old enough to make decisions for yourself and be held accountable for them. I and most other law abiding people have no problem taking responsibility for our actions....parenting as an excuse is jsut throwing another wrench in the spoke of justice.....

Why do you think putting the onus on good parenting is just an excuse? Obviously good parenting is responsible for law abiding citizens, otherwise we'd all be amoral and out robbing banks.

 

[bryantt]

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And even if they had horrible parenting, so what??? Does horrible parenting make these people any more safe??? Obviously not.

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So what? Open your own eyes and you can see all around you the repercussions of bad parenting!
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So what?!?! SO EVERYTHING. You extend a policy of light handed liberal clemency to cold blooded KILLERS! Are you that foolish??

You would rather forgive and pardon a cold blooded killer and certainly risk the publics future saftey, than put a KNOWN killer in prison????

You are truly stupid.

Again, how does bad parenting make a 26 year old killer any less dangerous?

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I'm not blind, nor confused. Nor am I a racist, as you appear to be.
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No. You are just too stupid and narrowminded to understand a person can denounce the aggregate social actions of the community as a whole (cultural) yet not be racist against the person.

You are, like most on this thread, either very young, or an immigrant. Or a child of an immigrant.

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The Asian gangs in Toronto's east end aren't Jamaicans. To what do you attribute that fact?
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What fact? That they participate in a gang??? So what???? We're talking about murder here, dimwit. Not gang membership.

 

[Jersay]

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The Asian gangs do murder people. It is not just black people killing people.

For example, in Winnipeg they have already got at least 2 murders this year, nearly 4 from what I heard on the radio. So, if it is a white-anglo-saxon group of immigrants doing the killing why don't we ban immigration from white anglo-saxons from these countries.

It just doesn't work banning the country of a person's origin. And if a Jamaican Canadian was born here, then they by right are Canadian, if you use the logic that they are of another colour and only white people are Canadian then you are wrong again because the only Canadian in that logic is a Native person.

And no one has answered my question that in 1991, when there was 88 murders in Toronto, were they black or white?

And on another point, coming from Montreal, what about the Hells Angels and the other gang. They were gangs, yes but they killed 200 people in Quebec.

Because the Hells Angels was created in America, maybe we should ban all Americans with gang pasts?

Huh?

What kind of age are we living in.

There are other things to complain about, other murders that doesn't deal with black people.

 

[Citizen]

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So what?!?! SO EVERYTHING. You extend a policy of light handed liberal clemency to cold blooded KILLERS! Are you that foolish??

No, you are, for assuming I've adopted a "light handed liberal clemency" approach to this problem.

You would rather forgive and pardon a cold blooded killer and certainly risk the publics future saftey, than put a KNOWN killer in prison????

You must be reading someone else's posts.

Again, how does bad parent make a 26 year old killer any less dangerous?

It doesn't, and I didn't say it did. By the time a thug is 26 the damage has been done and you can blame his lack of good parenting in his formative years for that.

No. You are just too stupid and narrowminded to understand a person can denounce the aggregate social actions of the community as a whole (cultural) yet not be racist against the person.

You are also a racist, who has focused his hatred on Jamaicans. I suggest you delve into the realm of child psychology to learn about the true factors behind 26 year old gun thugs.

You are, like most on this thread, either very young, or an immigrant. Or a child of an immigrant.

Unless you are Native Canadian, you are the progeny of immigrants yourself.

What fact? That they participate in a gang??? So what???? We're talking about murder here, dimwit. Not gang membership.

Gang members are also murderers. Or does that not bother you because the Asian gangs in Toronto aren't of Jamaican descent?

 

[bryantt]

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yea there is a problem with Jamacians in Toronto and I have heard many times that they are the highest gun crime offenders. Unfortunately we cannot ban Jamican immigration because it is not politicaly correct.....
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Thank you!! For chiming in. I was getting a little tired. ahhh... Now I can put my feet up.

Yes, I agree its not politically correct. But political idealogies shift. Its the ebb and flow of life. Perhaps someday soon, after we've bankrupted our nation sufficiently, constituents will take a closer look at crime, welfare costs and what we can afford - economically, socially and culturally - as a society without being ripped apart in the process.

Bleeding heart liberalism is all the rage in Canada. But thats largely because we define our national identity in relation to what 'we aren't' as opposed to what we are, in relation to the US.

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There is the same problems all over Canada...Asians in Vancouver....natives from Edmonton to Winnipeg...but I think the problem lies in better policing these neighborhoods instead of stemming immigration....
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How about the better policing of neighborhoods using the threat of stemming imigration. Its not such a bad deal. Honestly, how are cops supposed to 'better police'.

Everyone is all for it. But how do we actually implement that *with results* as a society.

First, we need to examine the problem. And a big problem - within the black community - is a culture of mistrust, and totally above and beyond that, an overarching ethnic identity that pits 'blacks' against 'the establishment' (see American slavery for more details). Any willfull cooperation is viewed as hersey to their former slave masters. Its a matter of pride. Honestly.

Perhaps more black officers taking care of black crime? Possibly.


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the Liberal government also deserves blame for letting so many immigrants in who can't find proper work and end up living in poverty and welfare. They also have been soft on crime.....if you are not a Canadian citizen and are involved in criminal activity there should be immediate deportation
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Exactly. Deport them. We have enough problems. Sorry!

 

[bryantt]

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What does immigration have to do with gun crime?
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80%+ of Jamaicans are implicated in handgun crime in Toronto. Thats what.

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The problem is lack of parenting when children are in their formative years.
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Is it? Because you say so? Or because your socialist highschool teachers said so? Do you realise people change? They can evolve? Grow? HEAL?

You are truly just a young squirt, arnt you. Post up your for everyone to see. I guess no older than 25.

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The problem is NOT immigration, poverty or any of the other excuses racists and politicians love use.[/quote]
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Maybe if you say it louder, in caps, in statement form, people will believe it??

Since when did Canadian politicians love using racial epithets as scapegoats for the countries problems? We live in a bleeding heart socialist country, friend. Politicians would get eaten alive for even insinuating such a relationship existed!

Actually, the problem is partly immigration. Some people come here from buttfuck nowhere, have very little regard for our beleifs or laws, and break them.

Why is that so difficult to understand? You insist on deflecting responsibility to a neonatal/in uteru gestation phase where the child was somehow irreversiably moulded into an psychophathic atomoton who could only perform evil and had no free will.

Must kill baby! Must doo drugss!!!

People have free will, friend. You will learn this as you grow older and you are forced to RELY on yourself for your own survival.

Welcome to life.

 

[Jersay]

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Everyone is all for it. But how do we actually implement that *with results* as a society.

First, we need to examine the problem. And a big problem - within the black community - is a culture of mistrust, and totally above and beyond that, an overarching ethnic identity that pits 'blacks' against 'the establishment' (see American slavery for more details). Any willfull cooperation is viewed as hersey to their former slave masters. Its a matter of pride. Honestly.

Perhaps more black officers taking care of black crime? Possibly.

Finally you are making sense.

It is a culture of mistrust. And how do you win back that mistrust. By not telling the hard working black people that they can't see their families.

More black officers is a possibility. Or not having a meeting with a black youth organization that wants the violence to end and then say we might think about their recommendations.

Hasn't anyone thought of that. Here we have young youths, who are raised in these streets, these crime ridden streets, most are the children of immigrants and they put together proposals to get to the heart of crime and to fix crime and the Libs say, we might think about it.

Listen to the young people, who are there, who know what is going on and wants the violence to end. If you don't then screw you.

 

[bryantt]

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Yeah, we've had trouble with immigrants ever since we came to this country. Time to lock the doors, that'll fix it for sure.
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Total hyperbole and ad hominem. Keep it up jackass!

 

[Citizen]

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80%+ of Jamaicans are implicated in handgun crime in Toronto. Thats what.

Source?

You are truly just a young squirt, arnt you. Post up your for everyone to see. I guess no older than 25.

25? I wish. But thank you anyway!

Actually, the problem is partly immigration. People come here from *censored* nowhere, have very little regard for our beleifs or laws, and break them.

I don't know of many countries that don't have crime laws. Ergo, insinuating it's only immigrants (from countries with crime laws) that are the problem is nonsensical. I suggest to you that an immigrant who arrives in this country and proceeds to break the law has never enjoyed good parenting - something which can occur outside of our borders.

 

[bryantt]

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I'm getting the impression you're a very hostile racist.

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Am I freaking you outt????



I am not a racist, clown. But keep peddaling around in your little box. Someday you'll be freed !

 

[Jersay]

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Now isn't it kind of interesting that trash talking to each other is continuing when we could be actually finding out a solution to the problem by listening to young people because this is what this crime effects the most;

the young people are committing the crime and young people are dying because of it.

Now I am a young person, my friend was murder a security guard in Pickering a few years ago and now I am a soldier in the army.

I have met people in gangs and out of gangs, and it is a problem facing our young people.

So if older people, I am not trying to be disrespectful would be quiet and listen to what the youth councils and crime-prevention youth councils have to say in Toronto, then act on what they have to say because it affects them whatever happens.

 

[Citizen]

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I have met people in gangs and out of gangs, and it is a problem facing our young people.

The questions to ask are why young people join gangs in the first place. Obviously there's a need on their part to belong. Hello parents? Are you there??

So if older people, I am not trying to be disrespectful would be quiet and listen to what the youth councils and crime-prevention youth councils have to say in Toronto, then act on what they have to say because it affects them whatever happens.

I disagree with you there and firmly believe that parents should be held responsible for the crimes of their thug (minor) children. Let those parents fund these councils and let me and other law-abiding Canadians keep our hard earned money in our own pockets!

 

[Jersay]

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It could have to do with Parenting. But that is not the only thing.

If you listen to the youth councils they will tell you the reasons. Listen to them, it could be parenting, it could be because of the lifestyle these thugs have who knows.

But don't write off their voice because it is their life no one elses.

 

[bryantt]

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My friend, my parents are white anglo-saxon majority that you speak off. I look Arabic or Chinese to some people I meet but I was born in Quebec and I am a French-Canadian.
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My mistake. I apologize.


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I understand the white majority philospohy that you can't get everything going probably unless you have everyone assimilated into the dominant society. However, there have been problems with that philosophy, look at Residential schools for an example.
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Im not sure such a small microcasm of human behavior would provide any meaningfull or usefulll extrapolations.

In theory, yes, forced assimilation is often tortorous and even violent. But no one is being forced to assimilate, are they?

Even if Canada adopted a melting pot philosphey like the US - which is still pefectily consistent with Canadas unique ethnic subgroupbs (look at how various disperate regions in the US maintained their culturally automony dispite being part of a 'melting pot' philosphey - texas, southern california, midwest, northeast, new york, the SOUTH), we still wouldnt be *forcing* anyone to assimilate as its their complete and total choice to accept entry and or canadian citizenship, or not.

The french need to loosen up about the idea that western thought is somehow going to envelope their culture into a anlgophonic black hole. Look at the french right now, they impose more mandatory assimilation rules on immigrants then anywhere in Canada, and I get blasted for promoting assimilation!!


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I agree there should be assimilation into respecting the laws, culture and systems and principles of your new country however, I believe cultures all cultures bring interest to a society.
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True. But only to a certain point. A country needs to share a common work ethic and value system in order to stay cohesive. Usually religion provided this great equilizing force in the past, but now with the declining popularity of religion and the advent of fanaticism, new paradigms of the social constituency are bieng constructed and new strains are being placed on our country.

History shows - stalin, unified europe under roman empire, british, egyptians, current day us - every successful country needs to have a rallying force or unifying point for its people in order for society to 'work'.

What worries me in canada is although many differnet types of people share the same value systems as canadians, their alligencies to that value system end at the territorial boundaries of their homeland. Their allegeiences to their homeland supercede their allegiences to Canada, and thus, our value and ethical system, which short circuits the whole idea of successfull 'multiculturalism', which is really just a recipe for disaster.

Look at the chinese in Vancouver. Chinese are high loyal, moral and ethical to their OWN tribe. Outside of their tribe - the sino race - the chinese are VERY XENOPHOBIC = RACIST. They believe they are Gods chosen people and we are all infidels, so to speak.

How do you think that kind of governning mindset plays in to the asians and chinese that immigrate to vancouver when deciding whether or not to follow Canadian (white man) law?? Seriously.


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I am apart of society, I am in the Canadian army, I took the Queen's oath, and I am sure alot of other cultures respect Canadian culture and abide by the rules so I don't know how stoping immigration from a certain group of people will stop the crime in the streets.
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I have a lot of respect for you now that you told me. I didn't figure out military service was an honorable profession until I was 25. I salute you and thank you for serving our country!


The last bit. Some groups of people are more inclined to certain behaviors - deviant or postive - then others. Some peoples/races are just smarter/more clever than others. This is just how the world is. Im sure you could think of a few countries whose culturals or seemingly innate personality or intellectual traits you admired or envied. It also works in reverse.

Often times it is not genetic. But isolates itself among certain segregated populations which gives the appearence of being genetic. Jamaica is a good example. They're arnt genetically enfebelled or inferior.

I never argued or said they were. THis is what liberalism teaches us to ASSUME (no one is right except us, even though we are so wonderfully openminded!!) its dogpoo.

But jamaica is suffering from a huge cultural failure right now. Just like the blacks. It happened to anglosaxons during the dark ages and roman rule! Shit happens!!

But the jamaicans are living in a cesspool. Thats not a racist statement. Thats a rational oberservation. Look at their crime rates. Unbeleivable. Somewhere down the line in recent history, their culture and ethics and value system fell apart and they reverted back to an extremely primitive, fight and survive way of life. So have the anglo saxons a few hundred years ago. Again this is not racist.

Actually, I think jamaica was actually a former plantation for slave owners, or slave trading depo. THen freeed slaves settled it. So it has a deep history rooted in pain, suffering, death, disease and neglet. They really need help.

But unless they ACCEPT it, we whites can't offer a thing except for education. And believe it or not friend, we have enough problems in our country and enough sick people to take care of. DEspite what you may think, canada does not have enough resources to save the world. Its impossible. Alll we can do is what we can do individually. Each and everyone of us.

Thats why i thinkk its great you joined the army man. I am envious. I wish i had joined earlier in my life.


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In 1991, when Toronto had its worst murders, was it from black people, when it had its 88 homicides
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Pretty much. Black on black crime was a big problem back then too. Its the afro/jamaican culture thats taken a huge noise dive and our cities and country is paying the price. These culture crashes are basically learned diseases man. Unfortunately.

I am not a heartlist conservative my friend.

 

[poligeek]

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On Racism:

I think there is no longer any sense in even hoping that this argument was launched from any place other than a deeply entrenched racism that is as firmly ingrained in Bryantts soul as any retorich can be.

Anyone who is honesly putting forward that Canadian nationality is based on being a direct decendent of:

white, anglosaxon, protestant Christians

has not taken an honest look at Canada since 1971, or for that matter the fact that Canada is founded on a principle of conquering a native culture, or the significant contributions of the black and chinese communities to building this country.

A statment such as:

immigrants in every *legal* sense, are citizens. But the countrys base - its roots, its heritage - is deeply white, deeply Christian and deeply devout to the ideals that made this country great.

Is a deeply racist statement, and deserves to be called out. Racism needs to be tackled every bit as aggressively in Canada as gun violence. And racism, does play a large part in gun violence.

Do we have our facts straight?

I asked:

is there any reliable information to suggest that the current gun crime is limited to, and directly a product of first generation landed immigration from Jamaica?

Your response has been generally that it does not matter if the blacks who are committing the current spree of Toronto based gun crime are landed immigration from Jamaica or several generations in Canada decended from Jamaican parents.

Does it matter if those 80% are 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants? No. Not in the slightist.

I disagree, it does matter a great deal.

If for instance the vast majority of those committing the gun crimes are recently landed immigrants from Jamaica who have not applied for citizenship, what we have is an immigration problem. We could prove a direct link from the gun crime in Jamaica:

More than 1,100 people have been murdered in Jamaica during the past year - an increase of nearly 30% on the previous year and the highest number ever recorded in a single year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1737306.stm

and link this to the crime happening on our streets. This would lead to being able to form direct links between the gangs in Jamaica and the gangs in Toronto. This would give us a place to start, it would also give us the option of extradition and deportation.

If however, the majority of gun crime happening in Toronto is by Canadians of Jamaican decent, then what we have is a Canadian social problem.

Now I'm sure that at the very mention of the words "social problem" Bryantt will choose to opt for a tyrade of slurs about bleeding-heart-liberals, rather than address it. After all it is always much easier to propose a knee-jerk reaction of blantant racist philosophy rather than look at root causes.

Individual Responsiblity, Community Responsibility and Root Causes

Nothing should ever excuse taking another person's life.

Those who choose to commit a crime should be punished.

I don't think anyone on this board is advocating that those who committed the recent gun crimes in Toronto should receive anything less than than the full penalty that the law allows.

The question now, is how to stop further gun crime.

Banning Jamaican's from a logical point of view makes no sense. After all, in Vancouver it is not a Jamaican problem, in Edmonton it is not a Jamaican problem, in Montreal it is not a Jamaican problem.

From a racist point of view it almost makes sense: In Toronto it can currently be blamed on the Jamaicans... so let's ban them, in Vancouver it's the Chinese... so let's ban them, in Edmonton it's the natives... so let's lock them on the reserves, in Montreal it was the biker gangs... okay so this is where the argument should really be falling apart.

Gangs and violence exist when there is a social-economic and political climate that lets them exist.

Removing one set of gangs from one area will not stop the violence.

Individual responsiblity begins when one person makes a choice to act in violence. Social responsiblity lies where a society can identify trends that act as incentives for individuals to choose to act violently. Those trends are the root causes.

 

[poligeek]

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Sideline 1:
The difference between Canada and the United States: assimilation vs. multiculturalism.

The only other way to become a TRUE Canadian, is like I said, embrace the culture, country, langauge, history, value and RESPECT FOR RULE OF LAW, above all else.

Then you are a true citizen irregardless. This is what it means in the US to pledge your allegiance solely to the United States of America, and to its Constitution and denounce and surrender all other alligeances with foreign powers. Period.

I'm frequently thankful that I do not live in the United States for a variety of reasons, not least of which is the ability to experience a wide variety of cultures here in Canada that have not had to self-assimilate to a uniform national identity.

In 1971 when Canada chose the multiculturalism act it was very specifically designed so that we did not adopt the "melting pot" model of the United States.

Canadians can and always have (as a commonwealth nation) been able to hold dual citizenships.

The efforts to keep and recognize Quebec as a distinct society demonstrate that Canadian values are foundationally different from those of the United States where immigrants are expected to leave all behind and adopt a new nation.

Does this mean Canada has been fully successful at our attempts at multi-culturalism. Hell no!, but it doesn't mean it has been an utter failure. Afterall it typically takes centuries to build a nation, and even then there aren't too many that have remained stable throughtout, and we have only been trying this for the last 34 years. Less time than most of us have been alive.

 

[bryantt]

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No, you are, for assuming I've adopted a "light handed liberal clemency" approach to this problem.
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Oh, Im clearly reading your posts. But its obvious you didnt have as much to say as I thought you did.

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You must be reading someone else's posts.
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Ok. And now Im reading yours. Do you wish to dance around the garden a few more times offering linguistical vargeries to your position. Or do you wish to contribute anything meaningfull other than empty asserations and hollow questions?


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It doesn't, and I didn't say it did. By the time a thug is 26 the damage has been done and you can blame his lack of good parenting in his formative years for that.
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Wrong again. Damage can be undone incurred from the formative years. Its called neuronal plasticity and its the biological basis for which a fully formed, adult human brain can 'change' its network, neural connections, adn therefore feelings and thoughts = from old to new. I am living proof of it, and I know many many others.

Your paradigm is wrong.


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You are also a racist, who has focused his hatred on Jamaicans.
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And you are a narrowed minded stooge who can't breach the trivial bounds of his self imposed 'liberal' paradigm. How many more times do you want to go back and forth?


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I suggest you delve into the realm of child psychology to learn about the true factors behind 26 year old gun thugs.
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I got my undergrade in it, jackass. I know all about child psychology, abnormal psychology, social, cognitive development etc etc.

Gang behavior serves as a psuedo familial unit for unguided youngsters. Past the ages of 20-23, people can grow and move beyond the past restrictions and confines of their mammilian rat brain, and actually heal, mature and become rational adults.

What you see in child psychology, and any psychological or neurological science is the rough borders of an extremely complex puzzle that has not been detailed out to any degree of sophistication. All these displinese are stiill in their infancy, and so are the theories and cognitive models used to 'graph' what we know about how the brain works, socially and biochemically.

I wouldnt get too ahead of yourself about what kind of broad sweeeping extrapolations can be made from rhuesses monkys that abondon there babys after day four.

Life is the utlimate teacher. Talk to some good psychologists. Most damage, in most people, is reversible. The antithesis - living in a damaged or dysfunctional state causes someone to invariably pull the trigger is also total bullshit.

Theres something called 'choice' you're convienently forgetting.


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Unless you are Native Canadian, you are the progeny of immigrants yourself.
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Yes, but my family got here waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before your family and thats all that matters.

So you are an immigrant. Wow. What a surprise. Not a surprise at all. Wanna know how i could tell? mAybe you can answer that yourself?

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As i have said for the third time now (you are not reading my posts) , if the asians gangs are doing the same type of shit the jamaican ones are, see ya later. Kick their asses out.

What do you think this is, some kind of socialist lovefest where we give carte blanche to any gang or ethnic group thats engaged in violent gang activity?

Total bs. No way.

 

[Jersay]

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Your not as hard a jackass as I thought you were. Your posts make sense, even though it does seem radical from a point of view.

However, I don't think we need to go the radical step of blocking immigration from a country.

Listen to the children, the youth councils who want the violence to end. Listen to them and maybe the crime will end if some of their ideas are taken and not blown off by some corrupt politicians.