Socialism Is the Only Way

darkbeaver

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Bernanke Finds his Voice By Mike Whitney
12/01/08 "ICH" --- On Thursday, Fed chairman Ben Bernanke gave the keynote address on the state of the economy and financial markets at a luncheon in Washington, DC. The tone of the speech was decidedly somber and could have easily been accompanied by a funereal dirge and 8 black-suited pall bearers. Bernanke avoided the opaque, hieroglyphic-filled language of his predecessor, Alan Greenspan, and gave a clear presentation of the facts. Unfortunately, the facts are bleak. The economy is in very bad shape.
“Financial market conditions...have produced a volatile situation that has made forecasting the course of the economy even more difficult than usual. (We have seen) continued increases in the prices of energy (as well as) a sharp and protracted correction in the U.S. housing market. According to the most recent available data, housing starts and new home sales have both fallen by about 50 percent from their respective peaks.”
Bernanke made no effort to conceal the gloomy facts:
“Currently, about 21% of subprime ARMs are ninety days or more delinquent, and foreclosure rates are rising sharply ...Fraud and abusive practices contributed to the high rates of delinquency that we are now seeing in the subprime ARM market, the more fundamental reason for the sharp deterioration in credit quality was the flawed premise on which much subprime ARM lending was based: that house prices would continue to rise rapidly. (This) will have adverse effects for communities and the broader economy as well as for the borrowers themselves.”
Bernanke was equally blunt about the credit crunch that resulted from the excesses in subprime lending:
“One of the many unfortunate consequences of these events, which may be with us for some time, is on the availability of credit for nonprime borrowers...The far-reaching financial impact of the subprime shock is that it has contributed to a considerable increase in investor uncertainty about the appropriate valuations of a broader range of financial assets, not just subprime mortgages. (As a result) the problems in the subprime mortgage market may lead overall economic growth to slow.”
Bernanke went on to give a very detailed account of how the banks “underwrote many of the loans and created many of the structured credit products (MBS, CDOs, ABCP) that were sold into the market. Banks also supported the various investment vehicles in many ways, for example, by serving as advisers and by providing standby liquidity facilities and various credit enhancements.”
As the problems in subprime have grown, the banks have been forced to take on more and more of their struggling “off balance” sheet operations which dramatically increases their debt-load and further impairs their capital base. This explains why the banks have been reporting huge losses from their deteriorating collateral while their market value has dropped sharply. Now banks have become more restrictive in their lending and credit has become more expensive and less available.
When the banks are unable to issue loans; the economy suffers.
Bernanke added ominously: “The market strains have been serious, and they continue to pose risks to the broader economy.”
Amen, to that. Since the troubles began in late summer, the Fed has slashed rates by a full percentage point to 4.25% and opened a Discount Window to provide billions of dollars directly to the banks. The Fed has also opened a Term Auction Facility (TAF) which has distributed $40 billion in 30-day repos to over 100 under-capitalized banks. The Fed is planning to loan another $60 billion in the next month. These repos are issued secretly (so depositors and shareholders don't know how bad things really are) and the Fed is accepting a “wide range of collateral”, which means that they are taking "structured investments" (MBSs, CDOs, ASCP) the same garbage that no one will buy on the open-market. In other words, the Fed has established a multi-billion emergency fund which features permanently-rotating loans for banks that made poor investments and are, for all purposes, already bankrupt. This is moral hazard at its absolute worst.
As Bernanke knows, 'permanent-rotating loans' is just a clever euphemism for nationalizing the banks and monetizing their debts at the taxpayers' expense. Many of these institutions are already insolvent. The Fed is just ensuring that there are no consequences for their leveraged bets and reckless speculation. Once again, it's socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.
But even these unprecedented measures do not really solve the basic problems of credit quality or the serious constraints on lending. For that, the Fed will have to aggressively slash rates hoping to revive the sagging economy.
Here's Bernanke's grim (but realistic) forecast:
“Financial conditions continue to pose a downside risk to the outlook for growth....The financial situation remains fragile, and many funding markets remain impaired. Adverse economic or financial news has the potential to increase financial strains and to lead to further constraints on the supply of credit to households and business...Incoming information has suggested that the baseline outlook for real activity in 2008 has worsened and the downside risks to growth have become more pronounced. Notably, the demand for housing seems to have weakened further, in part reflecting the ongoing problems in mortgage markets. In addition, a number of factors, including higher oil prices, lower equity prices, and softening home values, seem likely to weigh on consumer spending as we move into 2008.”
“The baseline outlook for real activity in 2008 has worsened and the downside risks to growth have become more pronounced.” That says it all. We're headed into recession and it's going to be a doozy.
Bernanke's assessment is only slightly different from the bleakest predictions of the doomsday web sites. Unemployment is on the rise which will continue to be a drag on consumer spending. Inflation is also likely to be a concern as the Fed slashes rates and food and energy prices go through the roof. Even so, the listless economy is so hobbled by the collapse in real estate and the subsequent meltdown in the financial markets, that the Fed will be forced to ease rate by at least 50 basis points at the next Board of Governors meeting followed by further cuts all the way down to 2.5%. (According to Goldman Sachs and Merrill Lynch) If that's the case, we can expect to pay 4 to 5 dollars for gas by the end of 2009.
Although Bernanke's candor is a welcome relief from Greenspan's circuitous “Fed-speak”, his dark prognosis does little to address the problems facing the markets. It's hard to tell whether we are entering a new era of Fed transparency or if Bernanke has simply taken the attitude that “When all else fails; tell the truth”. That's hardly a sign of personal virtue.
The bad economic news is now cascading-down from all sides. The dollar is steadily weakening which sent gold to a new-high of $900 on Friday. Hours earlier, the Commerce Department reported that the trade deficit had skyrocketed 9% to $63.1 billion in November. That puts more pressure on the greenback as foreign investors will continue to flee the US to markets with greater growth-potential.
Also, the nation's largest brokerage firm, Merrill Lynch is expected to report losses of $15 billion on soured mortgage-backed securities. The nation's largest bank, Citigroup, is expected to report even bigger losses of $25 billion on similar investments. The nation's largest mortgage-lender, Countrywide, will (allegedly) face bankruptcy if Bank of America's $4 billion bid for the ailing company is not accepted. And, the nation's largest bond insurer,MBIA Inc., may need to raise $10 billion in capital to keep its AAA credit rating. (said William Ackman, president of Pershing Square Capital Management)
Get the picture? The giants of the financial industry are either on the brink of annihilation or they have joined the long conga-line of haggard CFOs who are on their way to Beijing with begging bowl in hand. Battered banks and corporations are increasingly forced to get capital in the only place it is still available; China and the oil producing countries. Thus, the life's-blood of capitalism now surges through a communist artery. How's that for irony?
On Friday, the RBC Cash Index reported that consumer confidence had fallen to an all-time low. The US consumer is over-extended, underpaid, and worried about everything from his soaring energy bills, to diminishing job security, to the mass foreclosures. The report was released just hours before the Dow Jones Industrial Average took a 246 point swan-dive in heavy trading. The prevailing mood on Wall Street is gloomy and the feeling is that the worst is yet to come. Judging by the extraordinary steps taken by the Fed; we could be facing a Force 5 fiscal-hurricane.
Economic soothsayer Doug Noland summed it up like this:
“The Mortgage Finance Bubble is a bust, Wall Street finance is imploding, and foreign financial institutions are keen to cut and run from the business of providing U.S. Credit... Worse yet, the economy is quickly succumbing to recessionary forces. With a high degree of confidence we can proclaim that the Mortgage Crisis has now evolved into a Corporate Debt Crisis – and this crisis will not be resolved anytime soon – by rates, by helicopters, or by bailouts.” (Doug Noland “Mortgage Crisis to Corporate Debt Crisis”, Prudent Bear)
Thanks for your honesty, Ben, but all the exits appear to be bolted-shut. We'll have to ride this storm out from inside the bunker.
 

darkbeaver

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Now the rpeceeding post is the state of the capaitalist ecomomy at it's heart, that will in the next few weeks spill into to Cnada, that is absolutly unavoidable. Every bit of that and the ensueing hardships to come from it are because of capitalism. Long before socialism comes into power capitalists will have raped the entire continent and emptied it of assets. The war with Iran is being persued with alarming vigour and there is discussion of suspension of the 2008 elections in the US in harmony with the comencement of overt hostilitys with Iran which will with certainty happen, the machine has no reverse gear it cannot stop war, it is literally on auto pilot, we will discover what the camps and the special presidental powers are meant to address, the bet is they will contain massive civil unrest after financial collapse and war with Iran.
 

darkbeaver

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Feds have done a good job managing inflation. We are below historical average. Generally everything reverts to the mean. A minor change in inflation would cause you to dismantle the monetary system and implement a communist government? The debt in the US is doing quite well in comparison to the size of their economy and the GDP of other nations. You can't expect everything to continuous go straight up and when there is a mild downturn once again profess the sky is falling. Who would you trade places with over the last 50 years?

Well we'll see how they do in the coming months, hyperinflation is not pretty I understand.
Home forcloserures are expected in the millions. When banks don't lend and consumers don't borrow, screeech she stops right. I'm an interested observer only and it is very interesting observing the end. And all done with corporate socialism if we must have something to blame.You can't trust capitalists with anything, they even found the downside to socialism with thier greed I guess, if they'd have bled it a little slower they could have bled it a lot longer.
 

smdfaru

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You Said:

Would you trade living in Canada or the US for Cuba or China? You think workers earn more and get better protection there than they do in Canada?
Put it this way: If you had four cars in the yard, and you want to get one of them running to go 20 miles to town, and have one day to do it. Two of them are junkers (China and Cub)
and 2 of them are repairables (Cnada and US). Would you rather tackle Cuba or China instead of Canada or US.

To a socialist, Marxian principles do not exist in Cuba or China.

Suppose you have a field and want to plant corn. Someone suggests that you apply fertilizer and you answer: That field is better than 2 others fields I got, so why should I apply fertizer to it.

The point is that there is potential for better but a person decides to stay with what exists because it is better than another place. With that line of reasoning, we would still be in the horse drawn plow days.

Don
 

Kreskin

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Well we'll see how they do in the coming months, hyperinflation is not pretty I understand.
Home forcloserures are expected in the millions. When banks don't lend and consumers don't borrow, screeech she stops right. I'm an interested observer only and it is very interesting observing the end. And all done with corporate socialism if we must have something to blame.You can't trust capitalists with anything, they even found the downside to socialism with thier greed I guess, if they'd have bled it a little slower they could have bled it a lot longer.
Real Estate just rose 100% in the last 5 years. It won't always do that DB. Prices come down and people get caught. It's not the first time and it won't be the last. The feds increased rates over the last couple of years and are in a position to lower them to ease the pressure. The problems were sub prime lending related. Those who are caught likely shouldn't have been borrowing in the first place.
 

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I vaguely seem to remember interest rates going double digit, forclosures like crazy, bankruptcy's through the roof.... early 80's I believe....... end of the world, or end of "capitalism" didn't happen then.
 

darkbeaver

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Real Estate just rose 100% in the last 5 years. It won't always do that DB. Prices come down and people get caught. It's not the first time and it won't be the last. The feds increased rates over the last couple of years and are in a position to lower them to ease the pressure. The problems were sub prime lending related. Those who are caught likely shouldn't have been borrowing in the first place.

I understand that much, but I also understand that if they lower the rates it will stop the flow of investment money to the states, ergo the economy is still kaput, there is no way out without the pain, every economic forcast that I'v read in the last few months points to dire straights. Without that forigne capital there will be no recovery.
 

Kreskin

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I'm not an economist but the chief investment strategists for our financial institutions see the US as an investment opportunity. They're the ones who make money when everyone else runs for cover.
 

darkbeaver

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I'm not an economist but the chief investment strategists for our financial institutions see the US as an investment opportunity. They're the ones who make money when everyone else runs for cover.

It will require an enomous ammount of offshore capital from somewhere to replace what the usual investors will no longer risk, Canada would be considered forigne I think. We haven't been jammed together yet that way as far as I know. There are real frightening problems and gerry has mentioned one of them, the constant boom to bust it's cyclical and indemic in the system as I understand it, so in that respect maybe it's never really stable. The dot com bubble was the last big one but this one threatens to be the end of banks and mortage lending institutions.
The collapse of housing is really scary because it represent so much of the US economy about 30% I think I read, there are millions of jobs at stake and a market flooded with houses that overextended owners cannot make mortage payments on they are leaving the keys in the mailboxes and skipping town if you can believe that. Anyway I didn't do it to them and niether did any socialist I know, it's all you know whos problem.
 

Kreskin

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We'll just have to chalk it up to the capitalist pigs my friend. But just remember what Warren Buffet, Deputy King Capitalist Pig, once said, "Investors are motiviated by fear and greed, and I'm no different. When people get greedy I get fearful. When people get fearful I get greedy".
 

darkbeaver

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We'll just have to chalk it up to the capitalist pigs my friend. But just remember what Warren Buffet, Deputy King Capitalist Pig, once said, "Investors are motiviated by fear and greed, and I'm no different. When people get greedy I get fearful. When people get fearful I get greedy".
I think George Soros said we change the system or we die. I get my billionaires mixed up though could be some other billionarire.
 

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Speaking of greed,

"how the stock market sees possible world wide famine as economic opportunity:

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/index.php

High ocean freight rates have pushed the delivered price of wheat upward...

Officials last month forecast U.S. wheat stocks will shrink to their lowest level in 60 years...

Russia , the world's fourth-biggest wheat exporter, announced plans last month to cap exports of the grain..

The Canadian Wheat Board, one of the world's largest sellers of wheat and barley, expects wheat prices to remain elevated well into next year because of low global stockpiles.

Price gains in the agricultural sector in 2007 far outpaced the S&P 500 index...

Over 37% of the United States is in severe to extreme drought conditions...

The world is eating more than it produces and food prices may climb for years...

In summary, we have record low grain inventories globally as we move into a new crop year. We have demand growing strongly. Which means that going forward even small crop failures are going to drive grain prices to record levels. As an investor, we continue to find these long term trends - and this niche - very attractive. "

Enjoy your toast while you can friends.
 

smdfaru

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You said:

Speaking of greed,
"
how the stock market sees possible world wide famine as economic opportunity:
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/index.php

High ocean freight rates have pushed the delivered price of wheat upward...
Officials last month forecast U.S. wheat stocks will shrink to their lowest level in 60 years...
Russia , the world's fourth-biggest wheat exporter, announced plans last month to cap exports of the grain..

The Canadian Wheat Board, one of the world's largest sellers of wheat and barley, expects wheat prices to remain elevated well into next year because of low global stockpiles.

Price gains in the agricultural sector in 2007 far outpaced the S&P 500 index...

Over 37% of the United States is in severe to extreme drought conditions...

The world is eating more than it produces and food prices may climb for years...

In summary, we have record low grain inventories globally as we move into a new crop year.
We have demand growing strongly. Which means that going forward even small crop failures are going to drive grain prices to record levels. As an investor, we continue to find these long term trends - and this niche - very attractive. "

Enjoy your toast while you can friends.

My response:

Right on. Recognize that there is a major problem. Enough people have to be aware of their surroundings before they can deliberate on what to do about it. If too many people are oblivious of their surroundings then no basis exists to deliberate on a solution to the critical state of affairs society is in.

In such a deliberation, people, first agreeing on what the problem is, exchange views and ideas on what the possibilities of solutions are. That requires fact. Sadly, the most effective medium for public deliberation, the Internet, is saturated with disinformation. There is no breakdown of deliberation because, effectively, there is no deliberation from the get go. That is where we are at now.

If you have stopped to check out any of my past comments, you could readily see that my proposition for a solution is socialism. Whether that proposition has credibility or not, it is bounced out of deliberation flat out due to widespread disinformation that saturates all of the media, including the Internet. First of all, I am here to tell you that I don't offer my proposition with the intention that others must immediately jump up and accept it without due consideration based on fact. I wouldn't want such a shallow response. I do ask those who reject my proposition for theirs in return but so far I just receive more bashing of socialism. So where are we at that point. The bashers have carried the day, but reasonable propositions for a solution are nonexistant. The deliberation has failed. The only thing I get out of deliberations here and other sites is that most people are waiting for the sound of the hoof beats signaling the coming of the man on the white horse to magically set matters straight.
On another site where that has the same subject article as here, a basher of socialism displays his name as a link to a web site. I go to that site and what do I see, a business whose sole purpose is to make money off of global warming. And I expect that all the speculators scrambling to latch on to land to the north of Canada would bash socialism also if I suggested it to them.

Finally, I want to point a fallacy right here on Canadian Content. I already mentioned that disinformtion is wide spread throughout the Internet. There is no way that this site can exclude that. It is always there everywhere. That is what I face everytime I pose the subject of socialism. In civilized law, a person is innocent until proven guilty, but in deliberation of civil matters such this, it is upside down, I am guilty until proven innocent. So what happen when I try to prove my innocence, like making authentic reference to facts about socialism. I am blocked. I could be wrong but I put it to the test 3 times in succession. I put the statement in my comment followed by a link to the site offering it. Each of the 3 times it was blocked. I then striped the link from my comment, keeping everything else intact and it went through. Well, I guess that is par for the course, the bashers don't have to substantiate their a atacks on socialism, so why should I have the privilege of substantiating my defense. Not conducive for intelligent deliberation to seek a solution to the problem. I expect that from big brother--big government. The witch hunts in the US during the 50's runined many more lives of people who were not member of the Communist Party than there were actual members. All that was needed was to publicize the fact that the party was in violation of the Constitution and let the public deal with it accordingly. The party of socialism that I am in agreement with is in concurrence with the Constitution.

I respect the right of anyone to reject my proposition but in turn, I have the right to expect an alternative proposition, with substantiation.

Don
 

darkbeaver

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The problem will only get worse. I hope this site isn't engaged in blocking ligitimate socialist or social justice links, I don't believe they are and I'v never seen any evidence of it but I know owners and operators are having thier arms twisted to comple with the machines orders, and dicussion in general will be discouraged as the rotten plan unfolds in the coming weeks and months.
 

Kreskin

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New members are likely to have posts with links automatically blocked for spam protection purposes only.
 

jimshort19

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Well, the Cultural Revolution worked in China. They have lots of people. And collective farms were super in the USSR. If North Korea doesn't seal the case for socialist farming, what will?

You tell the world Don. Tell the world.
 

darkbeaver

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Well, the Cultural Revolution worked in China. They have lots of people. And collective farms were super in the USSR. If North Korea doesn't seal the case for socialist farming, what will?

You tell the world Don. Tell the world.

Collective farming Jim is already popular and gaining in popularity both because of quality conteol and the fact that the corporate agrubizz junk food that only looks good cannot meet the needs of those who can not pay. Those collective farms must have worked because the people are still alive. The only sector of the national economy that stands to loose from the practice are capitalists who can't and won't feed us properly right now and in fact never have.

book suggesting========Lawn to Garden the joys of veggie production in the RNWO
 

iARTthere4iam

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hermite


You said:

Speaking of greed,
"
how the stock market sees possible world wide famine as economic opportunity:
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/index.php

High ocean freight rates have pushed the delivered price of wheat upward...
Officials last month forecast U.S. wheat stocks will shrink to their lowest level in 60 years...
Russia , the world's fourth-biggest wheat exporter, announced plans last month to cap exports of the grain..

The Canadian Wheat Board, one of the world's largest sellers of wheat and barley, expects wheat prices to remain elevated well into next year because of low global stockpiles.

Price gains in the agricultural sector in 2007 far outpaced the S&P 500 index...

Over 37% of the United States is in severe to extreme drought conditions...

The world is eating more than it produces and food prices may climb for years...

In summary, we have record low grain inventories globally as we move into a new crop year.
We have demand growing strongly. Which means that going forward even small crop failures are going to drive grain prices to record levels. As an investor, we continue to find these long term trends - and this niche - very attractive. "

Enjoy your toast while you can friends.

My response:

Right on. Recognize that there is a major problem. Enough people have to be aware of their surroundings before they can deliberate on what to do about it. If too many people are oblivious of their surroundings then no basis exists to deliberate on a solution to the critical state of affairs society is in.

In such a deliberation, people, first agreeing on what the problem is, exchange views and ideas on what the possibilities of solutions are. That requires fact. Sadly, the most effective medium for public deliberation, the Internet, is saturated with disinformation. There is no breakdown of deliberation because, effectively, there is no deliberation from the get go. That is where we are at now.

If you have stopped to check out any of my past comments, you could readily see that my proposition for a solution is socialism. Whether that proposition has credibility or not, it is bounced out of deliberation flat out due to widespread disinformation that saturates all of the media, including the Internet. First of all, I am here to tell you that I don't offer my proposition with the intention that others must immediately jump up and accept it without due consideration based on fact. I wouldn't want such a shallow response. I do ask those who reject my proposition for theirs in return but so far I just receive more bashing of socialism. So where are we at that point. The bashers have carried the day, but reasonable propositions for a solution are nonexistant. The deliberation has failed. The only thing I get out of deliberations here and other sites is that most people are waiting for the sound of the hoof beats signaling the coming of the man on the white horse to magically set matters straight.
On another site where that has the same subject article as here, a basher of socialism displays his name as a link to a web site. I go to that site and what do I see, a business whose sole purpose is to make money off of global warming. And I expect that all the speculators scrambling to latch on to land to the north of Canada would bash socialism also if I suggested it to them.

Finally, I want to point a fallacy right here on Canadian Content. I already mentioned that disinformtion is wide spread throughout the Internet. There is no way that this site can exclude that. It is always there everywhere. That is what I face everytime I pose the subject of socialism. In civilized law, a person is innocent until proven guilty, but in deliberation of civil matters such this, it is upside down, I am guilty until proven innocent. So what happen when I try to prove my innocence, like making authentic reference to facts about socialism. I am blocked. I could be wrong but I put it to the test 3 times in succession. I put the statement in my comment followed by a link to the site offering it. Each of the 3 times it was blocked. I then striped the link from my comment, keeping everything else intact and it went through. Well, I guess that is par for the course, the bashers don't have to substantiate their a atacks on socialism, so why should I have the privilege of substantiating my defense. Not conducive for intelligent deliberation to seek a solution to the problem. I expect that from big brother--big government. The witch hunts in the US during the 50's runined many more lives of people who were not member of the Communist Party than there were actual members. All that was needed was to publicize the fact that the party was in violation of the Constitution and let the public deal with it accordingly. The party of socialism that I am in agreement with is in concurrence with the Constitution.

I respect the right of anyone to reject my proposition but in turn, I have the right to expect an alternative proposition, with substantiation.

Don

I would be far more interested in what you (or any other person advocating more socialism) have to say if you would be so kind as to spell out exactly what your brand of socialism means. Exactly.

Would I be able to engage in enterprise? Buy what I wish, sell what I wish? Could I own my home? Choose my profession and succeed or fail based on my skills and resoucefullness?

Rather than bash capitalism which has given us unrivaled opportunity in the history of humanity you should spend your time showing us how your vision will make our lives better.
 

darkbeaver

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You asked a valid question iART. There are many forms and stages available that are socialist, have a look at any of the European models for an idea, and remember government is your bussiness you can't buy a system off the shelf it has to be built democraticly by the citizens.

quoteing iART
"Rather than bash capitalism which has given us unrivaled opportunity in the history of humanity you should spend your time showing us how your vision will make our lives better."


Unless you are a rich capitalist it has most certainly not done as you have stated. We work longer hours for less pay, our food is essentially dangerous, white collar crime is endemic,
most of the world lives in abject poverty education health public infrastructure of all kinds is deteriorating and war is a growth bussiness, the economy is in collapse and is in crisis so , we have entered recession for which there does not seem to be a cure, and that barely begins to address the long term systemic failure, where you get the idea that we are on the verge of virtual utopia is beyond imagination. Unrivaled opportunity, sure, but only for the elite few, all the rest play the lottery of life.
 

iARTthere4iam

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You asked a valid question iART. There are many forms and stages available that are socialist, have a look at any of the European models for an idea, and remember government is your bussiness you can't buy a system off the shelf it has to be built democraticly by the citizens.

quoteing iART
"Rather than bash capitalism which has given us unrivaled opportunity in the history of humanity you should spend your time showing us how your vision will make our lives better."

Unless you are a rich capitalist it has most certainly not done as you have stated. We work longer hours for less pay, our food is essentially dangerous, white collar crime is endemic,
most of the world lives in abject poverty education health public infrastructure of all kinds is deteriorating and war is a growth bussiness, the economy is in collapse and is in crisis so , we have entered recession for which there does not seem to be a cure, and that barely begins to address the long term systemic failure, where you get the idea that we are on the verge of virtual utopia is beyond imagination. Unrivaled opportunity, sure, but only for the elite few, all the rest play the lottery of life.

Health care, education, retirement, disability, employment insurance and welfare. What more do you want? Everything costs money. I loose huge amounts of income paying for all of this with income tax, sales tax, property tax and on and on. These things take real money and quality of living away from me. The fact that there are millionaires and billionarires out there flying around on private jets concerns me not at all.

I said earlier that we have unrivaled opportunity. Here are some of the ways we have opportunity. Education is abundant, career opportunities are abundant, entreprenuerial opportunities are abundant. We can own a home, find a job, start a business, move to a new place or stay where we are. We can leave our job find a new one, sell our business, or live in poverty. We have the opportunities, we have the responsibility, we have the freedom. We also have the freedom to have our say in the makeup of our governments or choose to not have a say. We have laws to protect our rights and police, firefighters, ambulance service coast guard and military to protect us. We have overlapping and abundant safety nets. We even have the freedom to blame others and call them boogeymen or capitalists or whatever.

I own a home, have a wife, a job, and a business. I am well fed, well educated and happy. I have in my life all that one could ask for. You are saying that I am being taken advantage of by greedy capitalists. That may be but I am surely taking advantage of the abundant opportunities too.