Socialism Is the Only Way
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Dark Beaver, I have looked for, perceived or constucted, chosen and allied, with sides all of my life, and now you sound like China. Like, there are no sides, only the oneness, duality is an illusion...
Give me a break. I live in a wild place, posted to earth, in a universe that I do not understand. I grasp for sides, for some resolution to the field. Then I choose. Then I do.
And I did. And it's no time to quit choosing until you're dead. You have a mind, and with it comes the burden and responsibility to think, which is a comparative process, which process will move you to choose by virtue of the way that you are made. Suck it up. Nobody gets off this planet alive.
Give me a break. I live in a wild place, posted to earth, in a universe that I do not understand. I grasp for sides, for some resolution to the field. Then I choose. Then I do.
And I did. And it's no time to quit choosing until you're dead. You have a mind, and with it comes the burden and responsibility to think, which is a comparative process, which process will move you to choose by virtue of the way that you are made. Suck it up. Nobody gets off this planet alive.
I would not prefer that at all Kreskin, and it's tragic comedy that you don't awknowledge the capitalist greed that sent the machines and money there in the first place to China which no more lives up to socialist ideals than we do. It's not funny at all. So why don't you talk to your capitalist buddies and have them build factorys and hire Canadians in Canada, go ahead I dare you, you'd be laughed at like the dreamer you are and flung into the street by seat of your pants after you were beaten senseless, which in your case would thankfully be a short beating indeed.:smile:
There is only the one. All else is illusion. Nobody gets off the planet period, dead or alive are two ends of the same stick, again.
If you want to work for $1 a day, being the good socialist you are I'm sure that won't be a problem, and you can convince people to vote for a government who will sponsor the dismantling of workers rights, my capitalist buddies would be more than pleased to build those factories for you.
Don, "Therefor, your next expected trolling nonsense will be the last word as far as I am concerned."
Hate to leave you down Don.
Hate to leave you down Don.
Dark Beaver, "...build factorys and hire Canadians in Canada..."
As is too often the case with your good ideas, it's already been done, is being done, and will be done. A few intrepid Canadians will invest in China, but most of us will just invest in finished products for personal consumption. Think of buying 'Made in China' as your support for the end of socialism. Freedom leads to freedom, and free markets are no exception. But you don't believe that freedom or free markets exist. Your ideals don't exist anywhere but in your mind. This is not a good planet for you.
As is too often the case with your good ideas, it's already been done, is being done, and will be done. A few intrepid Canadians will invest in China, but most of us will just invest in finished products for personal consumption. Think of buying 'Made in China' as your support for the end of socialism. Freedom leads to freedom, and free markets are no exception. But you don't believe that freedom or free markets exist. Your ideals don't exist anywhere but in your mind. This is not a good planet for you.
Darkbeaver
jimshort19 reminds me of one of those runtty little dogs that, when faced, run off to a distance and yep yep, but when you turn to go away, it sneaks up and nips your heels.
Don
jimshort19 reminds me of one of those runtty little dogs that, when faced, run off to a distance and yep yep, but when you turn to go away, it sneaks up and nips your heels.
Don
DB, now you deny the regulation of our markets. I cannot keep apace of your denial. And what is the point. I guess corporate lawyers don't really exist. Gosh, that's one way to be rid of your bad guys. Or are they just more of the Machine's capitalist stooges?
Capitalists have for the last thirty years been steadily dismantiling workers rights, when they could not get a increasing return on thier investments they moved to offshore operations which took money and the means to make a living from North American workers.Your capitalist buddies are right now preparing to remove the remaining benefits and wages we enjoy through the the institution of the SPP and NAU agreements, neither of which have been put to the electorate of any of the three countries involved. The fastest way to that dollar a day Kreskin is the one you favour.Post a link in support of what you believe or continue to engage in your unsupportable claims, the choice is your's to be completely wrong if you wish, I'm certainly not twisting your are in any way. You make completely bogus suggestions and then won't back them up except with further unsubstantiated claims. If you enjoy that fine.
db, "Your capitalist buddies are right now preparing to remove the remaining benefits and wages we enjoy..."
It's their money. You can take your own money and waste it in Vegas if you want to. It's called freedom, and if the money isn't free then the buyer and seller are not free either. Isn't it a wonderful world where money is free? Gosh I love capitalism! Sing with me Dark One!
Everything is beautiful,
in it's own way!
It's their money. You can take your own money and waste it in Vegas if you want to. It's called freedom, and if the money isn't free then the buyer and seller are not free either. Isn't it a wonderful world where money is free? Gosh I love capitalism! Sing with me Dark One!
Everything is beautiful,
in it's own way!
I've been wondering whatever could cure Dark Beaver's belief that our free market lacks regulation. One attempt to bring a food product to market would do the trick. Whether one farms, or trucks, processes, packages or retails, one will doubtless be disallusioned with the amount of regulation that we have already, and wish that it were not required.
I will once again spend my last dime on production for market. i will once again win or lose. I will once again comply with regulation, once again pay the taxes that keep the whiners in wine, and once again I''l win and boast and fail and boast. Sing with me in now, Dark One,
I did it my wa-ay!
I will once again spend my last dime on production for market. i will once again win or lose. I will once again comply with regulation, once again pay the taxes that keep the whiners in wine, and once again I''l win and boast and fail and boast. Sing with me in now, Dark One,
I did it my wa-ay!
I thought the capitalists and bankers controlled everything? Some capitalist pigs have gone to communist countries where they don't provide anywhere near the workers rights provided by democratic capitalist pig countries. Why would you need a link for that? Rather than dismantle our society why don't you work to export the same unions and workers rights that we have here to the socialist autocratic countries you so dearly want us to emulate? Then you can get your level playing field and inflation will rise to where you won't have cheap goods to buy anymore, which is how you want it.
It's thier money is it. Have they paid for the roads and the bridges and all the other infrastructure they used at the publics expence, I don't hardly think do.
So who's going to be responsible for inflation here in the next few months Kreskin, Communist China? Who wrecking the housing market and financial markets, who's devaluing the American dollar, who's driven up the debt conducting endless wars, those damn unscupulous Chinese are everywhere right. Post or you're toast. Because I will address everyone of your silly ideas with numbers.:lol:
Kreskin
Did your capitalist buddies ever tell about labor power which is a capital investment. That of all the other capital investments; raw material, power, equipment, machinery, etc., only labor power return more to the capitalist then its costs. Also, in the market, labor power is the only commodity that can be bought for a price at less than the cost of its production and trend is to continually depress that price.
Here is one method of doing that:
H1-B VISA PROGRAM DIVIDES AND WEAKENS WORKING CLASS
Every day capitalism becomes more completely
international; every day the "world's market" is a robuster truth; every day, consequently, the merchandise labor power has to sell itself more obviously in the WORLD MARKET.--DAILY
PEOPLE, Jan. 5, 1908
The whole matter may be summed up in the one statement that in order to capture the world's markets, the wage workers of the United States must come down to a level with the most poorly paid men in the world.--DAILY PEOPLE, Sept. 15, 1900
By Diane Secor
Since the H-1B visa program was introduced in the 1990s, a number of groups have sprung up with demands that the U.S. government limit the number of H-1B visas issued to foreign workers, who are said to "take jobs away from American workers" with college degrees.
Bright Future Jobs, for example, argues that the "H-1B visa-hiring program takes opportunities away from Americans." It contends that plenty of American workers are available to fill jobs in the engineering, medical and other fields. Moreover, workers on H-1B visas are paid lower wages and are totally dependent on their employers for their immigration status.
Many U.S. companies argue the opposite. They claim they must hire foreign workers on H-1B visas because there is a shortage of qualified American workers. However, even capitalist sources, such as David Rosenberg at Merrill Lynch, have refuted this. According to BUSINESS WEEK (Aug. 21), Rosenberg states that there is no real labor shortage, but that these firms cannot "get enough workers at the price they want to pay."
In truth, however, neither restrictions on H-1B visas nor any other legislation can change the basic nature of capitalism itself. The drive for cheap labor in the cutthroat competition of the market is inherent in capitalism itself. If cheaper labor cannot be found through workers on H-1B visas, companies will relocate overseas where cheaper labor may be available. Indeed, outsourcing has led to high-tech unemployment in many part of the United States.
It is unlikely that groups like Bright Future Jobs will ever convince Congress to make any significant changes in the H-1B visa program. The state functions as the executive committee of the capitalist class, mediating disputes within the ruling class and deciding what best serves the interests of the capitalist class as a whole. This is why some members of Congress will support quotas on H-1B visas and others will side with high-tech firms, who want more H-1B workers.
In any case, the capitalist class is very classconscious and the capitalist state by its nature cannot represent American workers or any workers. No "patriotic" feeling can override the inherent capitalist drive for cheaper labor. Higher profits are all that matters under capitalism.
Only a united working class of men and women, of all nationalities and races, of skilled and unskilled workers, armed with classconsciousness, can throw off the shackles of wage slavery. As long as capitalism exists, the vast working-class majority will always be at the mercy of whatever is most profitable for the few capitalist owners of industry. Under socialism, every worker will have the opportunity to do useful work, using his or her own talents and skills, because workers will own and operate the tools of production and production will be for the benefit of all, not for the private profits of a few.
Don
Did your capitalist buddies ever tell about labor power which is a capital investment. That of all the other capital investments; raw material, power, equipment, machinery, etc., only labor power return more to the capitalist then its costs. Also, in the market, labor power is the only commodity that can be bought for a price at less than the cost of its production and trend is to continually depress that price.
Here is one method of doing that:
H1-B VISA PROGRAM DIVIDES AND WEAKENS WORKING CLASS
Every day capitalism becomes more completely
international; every day the "world's market" is a robuster truth; every day, consequently, the merchandise labor power has to sell itself more obviously in the WORLD MARKET.--DAILY
PEOPLE, Jan. 5, 1908
The whole matter may be summed up in the one statement that in order to capture the world's markets, the wage workers of the United States must come down to a level with the most poorly paid men in the world.--DAILY PEOPLE, Sept. 15, 1900
By Diane Secor
Since the H-1B visa program was introduced in the 1990s, a number of groups have sprung up with demands that the U.S. government limit the number of H-1B visas issued to foreign workers, who are said to "take jobs away from American workers" with college degrees.
Bright Future Jobs, for example, argues that the "H-1B visa-hiring program takes opportunities away from Americans." It contends that plenty of American workers are available to fill jobs in the engineering, medical and other fields. Moreover, workers on H-1B visas are paid lower wages and are totally dependent on their employers for their immigration status.
Many U.S. companies argue the opposite. They claim they must hire foreign workers on H-1B visas because there is a shortage of qualified American workers. However, even capitalist sources, such as David Rosenberg at Merrill Lynch, have refuted this. According to BUSINESS WEEK (Aug. 21), Rosenberg states that there is no real labor shortage, but that these firms cannot "get enough workers at the price they want to pay."
In truth, however, neither restrictions on H-1B visas nor any other legislation can change the basic nature of capitalism itself. The drive for cheap labor in the cutthroat competition of the market is inherent in capitalism itself. If cheaper labor cannot be found through workers on H-1B visas, companies will relocate overseas where cheaper labor may be available. Indeed, outsourcing has led to high-tech unemployment in many part of the United States.
It is unlikely that groups like Bright Future Jobs will ever convince Congress to make any significant changes in the H-1B visa program. The state functions as the executive committee of the capitalist class, mediating disputes within the ruling class and deciding what best serves the interests of the capitalist class as a whole. This is why some members of Congress will support quotas on H-1B visas and others will side with high-tech firms, who want more H-1B workers.
In any case, the capitalist class is very classconscious and the capitalist state by its nature cannot represent American workers or any workers. No "patriotic" feeling can override the inherent capitalist drive for cheaper labor. Higher profits are all that matters under capitalism.
Only a united working class of men and women, of all nationalities and races, of skilled and unskilled workers, armed with classconsciousness, can throw off the shackles of wage slavery. As long as capitalism exists, the vast working-class majority will always be at the mercy of whatever is most profitable for the few capitalist owners of industry. Under socialism, every worker will have the opportunity to do useful work, using his or her own talents and skills, because workers will own and operate the tools of production and production will be for the benefit of all, not for the private profits of a few.
Don
Feds have done a good job managing inflation. We are below historical average. Generally everything reverts to the mean. A minor change in inflation would cause you to dismantle the monetary system and implement a communist government? The debt in the US is doing quite well in comparison to the size of their economy and the GDP of other nations. You can't expect everything to continuous go straight up and when there is a mild downturn once again profess the sky is falling. Who would you trade places with over the last 50 years?
Would you trade living in Canada or the US for Cuba or China? You think workers earn more and get better protection there than they do in Canada?