So You Want to be King/Queen...

gerryh

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It doesn't just ''happen to be the same people'' that are members of both. It's always the same people that are members of both.

I as a person can very well have two different jobs that are totally not related. But the fact remains that if I were to quit one of these jobs, someone else could fill my spot. That doesn't apply to British and Canadian monarchy. If the British Monarch chooses to resign, we loose our Canadian Monarch. You can defend the independence of the titles as much as you want, that doesn't change the fact that they are inextricably linked together.



And because the monarch of Canada can only be of the Church of England, there is an inconsistency with the notion that we ought not to discriminate anybody based on his or her religion.


If you don't like it, separatist, then fu ck off and don't let the door hit you on the a$$ on the way out.
 

gerryh

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But if for some reason the monarch decided to convert to catholicism, he or she couldn't be monarch anymore.


That's right. Being able to be head of the Church of England is part of the job description. If you can't fulfill the job description you can't have the job. No one is saying they CAN'T convert, so, no discrimination.
 

s_lone

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That's right. Being able to be head of the Church of England is part of the job description. If you can't fulfill the job description you can't have the job. No one is saying they CAN'T convert, so, no discrimination.

A law stating the Prime Minister of Canada can only be a protestant would be a clear case of discrimination. How is that any different for what applies to our Head of State?
 

coldstream

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I understand Queen Elizabeth yesterday signed the bill legalizing homosexual 'marriage' in Britain. More than anything else i think she might have sealed the death knell of the monarchy. Monarchies exist in the modern era.. and really since their inception.. as models and representatives of nobility and order.. of the highest aspirations and symbols of the nation. In recent years the monarchy has attempted to make itself an icon of family life. But, in a society where depravity and disorder are celebrated and indistinguishable from that which is honourable and just.. whatever relevance the monarchy had, has evaporated.
 
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s_lone

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I understand Queen Elizabeth yesterday signed the bill legalizing homosexual 'marriage' in Britain. More than anything else i think she might have sealed the death knell of the monarchy. Monarchies exist in the modern era.. and really since their inception.. as models and representatives of nobility and order.. of the highest aspirations and symbols of the nation. In recent years the monarchy has attempted to make itself an icon of family life. But, in a society where depravity and disorder are celebrated and indistinguishable from that which is honourable.. whatever relevance the monarchy had, has evaporated.

So basically you're saying monarchy is only relevant if it supports values you agree with.
 

petros

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The current monarch has British blood. Her mother was Scottish, and she is the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-granddaughter of Mary, Queen of Scots.



You need to read your history books better.

The Scottish monarchs of England - the Stuarts - came AFTER the Tudors.
Greatgreat-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great bred out of existence.
 

FiveParadox

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It doesn't just ''happen to be the same people'' that are members of both. It's always the same people that are members of both.

I as a person can very well have two different jobs that are totally not related. But the fact remains that if I were to quit one of these jobs, someone else could fill my spot. That doesn't apply to British and Canadian monarchy. If the British Monarch chooses to resign, we loose our Canadian Monarch. You can defend the independence of the titles as much as you want, that doesn't change the fact that they are inextricably linked together.
Actually, you are mistaken here.

Were Her Majesty the Queen to abdicate (and here's to hoping that she never does), Her Majesty would be required to sign instruments of abdication addressed to each of the sixteen realms, with particular reference to Her Majesty's constitutional role in each. This was the case when Edward VIII abdicated; an instrument of abdication was sent to Canada in his capacity as the Canadian monarch. The Government of Canada was required to consent to the abdication (as Parliament was then recessed). If the British monarch resigns, that has no implications (constitutionally) for Canada; there is only an abdication when the Canadian monarch resigns.

I understand Queen Elizabeth yesterday signed the bill legalizing homosexual 'marriage' in Britain. More than anything else i think she might have sealed the death knell of the monarchy. Monarchies exist in the modern era.. and really since their inception.. as models and representatives of nobility and order.. of the highest aspirations and symbols of the nation. In recent years the monarchy has attempted to make itself an icon of family life. But, in a society where depravity and disorder are celebrated and indistinguishable from that which is honourable.. whatever relevance the monarchy had, has evaporated.

Her Majesty enacted the equal marriage bill (note the conspicuous absence of quotation marks) with the advice and consent of the House of Lords, and the House of Commons, both of which had vigorous debates on the issue. Even the House of Lords, which has tended to be the more conservative of the Houses on social issues such as this, championed the cause. Equal marriage has nothing to do with monarchy, other than to recognise that the monarchy reigns but does not rule; the people have spoken, and the monarchy governed itself accordingly.
 

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Actually, you are mistaken here.

Were Her Majesty the Queen to abdicate (and here's to hoping that she never does), Her Majesty would be required to sign instruments of abdication addressed to each of the sixteen realms, with particular reference to Her Majesty's constitutional role in each. This was the case when Edward VIII abdicated; an instrument of abdication was sent to Canada in his capacity as the Canadian monarch. The Government of Canada was required to consent to the abdication (as Parliament was then recessed). If the British monarch resigns, that has no implications (constitutionally) for Canada; there is only an abdication when the Canadian monarch resigns.
Does what Eddie the 8 did have binding precedential effect?

Not arguing, just asking.
 

gerryh

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A law stating the Prime Minister of Canada can only be a protestant would be a clear case of discrimination. How is that any different for what applies to our Head of State?


Not talking about the Prime Minister of Canada.......... this discussion has been had before, and what it comes down to is, it matters not what a separatist has to say on the manner anymore than it matters what a gnat thinks about this matter.
 

coldstream

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So basically you're saying monarchy is only relevant if it supports values you agree with.

Well in other words.. a society that has collapsed into insanity.. in the legal sense one that can no longer differentiate between good and evil.. right and wrong... absurdity and reason.. has no need for a monarch.

Its principle will all be founded from the primacy of the principles of radical individualism.. and moral relativism.. the supremacy of gratification and self interest rather than honour and obligation. A monarchy is a waste of money in such a society.
 
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gerryh

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Well in other words.. a society that has collapsed into insanity.. in the legal sense one that can no longer differentiate between good and evil.. right and wrong... absurdity and reason.. has no need for a monarch.

It's principle will all stem from the primacy of the principles of radical individualism.. and moral relativism.. the supremacy of gratification and self interest rather than honour and obligation. A monarchy is a waste of money in such a society.


:lol::roll:


We can all thank God that you are a minority.
 

FiveParadox

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Well in other words.. a society that has collapsed into insanity.. in the legal sense one that can no longer differentiate between good and evil.. right and wrong... absurdity and reason.. has no need for a monarch.

It's principle will all stem from the primacy of the principles of radical individualism.. and moral relativism.. the supremacy of gratification rather than honour and obligation. A monarchy is a waste of money in such a society.

The only insanity I see is from those who think that people marrying others of the same sex is a threat to their own heterosexual institution of marriage. "Oops, looks like same-sex marriage is allowed now. Sorry, honey; I thought I was into the taco, but I'm going to have to go see what being penetrated feels like." Let the anarchy begin, right?

The sense of honour that each of us has should oblige everyone to ensure that people can have their healthy and loving relationships recognised by the state for civil purposes, and by society for celebration. This is the inevitable direction in which our world's peoples are moving. The United Kingdom is only the latest country to recognise the reality of gays' and lesbians' right to be treated equally. Props to constitutional monarchy for enacting this democratic decision of the Lords and Commons.
 

coldstream

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The only insanity I see is from those who think that people marrying others of the same sex is a threat to their own heterosexual institution of marriage. "Oops, looks like same-sex marriage is allowed now. Sorry, honey; I thought I was into the taco, but I'm going to have to go see what being penetrated feels like." Let the anarchy begin, right?

The sense of honour that each of us has should oblige everyone to ensure that people can have their healthy and loving relationships recognised by the state for civil purposes, and by society for celebration. This is the inevitable direction in which our world's peoples are moving. The United Kingdom is only the latest country to recognise the reality of gays' and lesbians' right to be treated equally. Props to constitutional monarchy for enacting this democratic decision of the Lords and Commons.

NO homosexual relationship is healthy or loving.. they are ALL about power, dominance, submission and dissolution. It has become the flag bearer of the Culture of Death. And the collapse of the rational civil institution of marriage into utter absurdity.. will within a generation.. draw down the rest of society with it... economically, culturally and morally.
 

gerryh

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NO homosexual relationship is healthy or loving.. they are ALL about power, dominance and submission. It has become the flag beaer of the Culture of Death. And the collapse of the rational institution of marriage into utter absurdity.. will within a generation.. draw down the rest of society with it... economically, culturally and morally.


Your continued ignorance never ceases to amaze me. The ability for one person to live as long as you without a brain just proves, without a shadow of a doubt, the existence of God and that he DOES have a sense of humour.
 

coldstream

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Your continued ignorance never ceases to amaze me. The ability for one person to live as long as you without a brain just proves, without a shadow of a doubt, the existence of God and that he DOES have a sense of humour.

chaos looms.. and only the Devil is laughing.
 

gerryh

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chaos looms.. and only the Devil is laughing.


I agree that the devil is laughing, every time his speaks through you........




also note that I see that you capitalize the devil's name........ shows how much importance you give your lord.