So you still take "climate scientists" seriously?

[CDNBear]

Sounds like terraforming for our alien overlords.

 

[petros]

Alien penguin overlords.

 

[CDNBear]

Yes. They're the industrious ice damn builders of the Antarctic.

 

[Tonington]

1951-1980 average is the baseline used to detertmine the statistical anomaly.

Yeah...Anthony Watts had one of his earliest smack downs from climate scientists when he pointed to different temperature datasets not agreeing on the amount of warming. The problem of course was that the datasets didn't actually disagree, Watts just didn't know what anomalies are. He does now! :lol:

NASA uses the average of 1951-1980, HadCRUT in the UK uses the period 1961-1990, and NOAA uses 1981-2010, the anomaly being the departure from that baseline for each respective dataset. Since the periods are not the same, we shouldn't expect the anomalies to be the same. If you add the anomalies to the baseline, what you get is the absolute temperature measured, and the multiple datasets that measure surface temperature are in extraordinary agreement, even though they use very different methods of calculating said quantity.

Oh, and as for the NASA study looking at ocean temperature, this paragraph in their press release is particularly relevant. Conveniently left out of the cut and paste on the rubbish blog post Colpy copied:

Coauthor Felix Landerer of JPL noted that during the same period, warming in the top half of the ocean continued unabated, an unequivocal sign that our planet is heating up. Some recent studies reporting deep-ocean warming were, in fact, referring to the warming in the upper half of the ocean but below the topmost layer, which ends about 0.4 mile (700 meters) down.​

Hmm, context.

 

[petros]

The top half of the upper half or the bottom half of the top half?

 

[darkbeaver]

Only a little bit of the planets mass can be measured for meaningful temperature. Most mainstream physicists don't even know planetary physics, they don't know how it works but they babble on endlessly about how to fix it.

The top half of the upper half or the bottom half of the top half?

There's two oceans divided in four halves.

That's climate science.

 

[petros]

Only the top of the upper half can influence climate.

 

[darkbeaver]

Only the top of the upper half can influence climate.

I disagree, I am of sound mind in this regard, it's about current and mass, the gaseous bit is unimportant to the physics of the whole thing. The mass of the planet is constantly changing, climate is bound to that and nothing else.

 

[Tonington]

The top half of the upper half or the bottom half of the top half?

That's good engrish skills you have there.

 

[petros]

I learned it from a book.

 

[Tonington]

Reading the top half of the page from the bottom up. That figures.

 

[petros]

¿Que?

 

[Zipperfish]

Warmest September on Record - Climate Change Weather Blog

For the third time just this year alone, a new, global high monthly
temperature record has been set, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space
Studies (GISS).


September 2014 was the warmest September on record globally for land/ocean
combined, averaging 0.77 degrees C. above the 1951-1980 global mean. May and
August of 2014 were also the warmest of those respective months globally,
according to GISS. Records go back to 1880.


September of 2005, which averaged +0.73 degrees C. now falls to second
warmest on record for September.


So far through September, 2014 is averaging 0.65 degrees above the 1951-1980
mean, according to the GISS data, which currently puts it on pace to be the 2nd
warmest year on record behind 2010. However, if latest trends continue into
December then 2014 will likely end up the warmest on record.

 

[petros]

What is the Holocene mean?

 

[Zipperfish]

The other 1934 was hotter?

Since you didn't bother to read......

Aug. 14 (Bloomberg) -- NASA has revised climate data to show 1934 as the hottest year on record in the U.S., ousting 1998 and challenging the argument that national temperatures are reaching new highs amid global warming.

According to the figures released last week, four of America's 10 warmest years are now in the 1930s, during the Dust Bowl era. Just three years from the past decade remain among the top 10, with 2001 having fallen out entirely.

A flaw in the data, brought to light by a Canadian researcher, led the National Aeronautics and Space Administration to cut mean ``temperature anomalies,'' or deviations from the 30-year average, by 0.15 degree Celsius (0.27 degree Fahrenheit) from 2000 to 2006


Where did the CO2 go that made 1930s the hottest? Vacation until 1974?

It's global warming, petros. Not US warming.

 

[petros]

What were the temperatures in Siam for 1934?

 

[Zipperfish]

What were the temperatures in Siam for 1934?

It would be easier if you stated your case rather than constantly asking oblique loaded questions.

 

[petros]

It would be easier if you stated your case rather than constantly asking oblique loaded questions.

What were they? Any clue? Are there records?

 

[Zipperfish]

What were they? Any clue? Are there records?

And the dance begins.

 

[petros]

What dance? What was1934 like in Canada? Any idea? How about Botswana?

You folks like charts/graphs/maps....

Not just Nor Am was it?