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Still drinking the Kool-Aid I see .


Delusional right wingers like you may not like ACA even though you enjoy your own brand of socialized medicine. And hey - got good news for you, ACA is working:


Obamacare's Medicare Experiment Is Working - Businessweek


Obamacare's Medicare Experiment Is Working

By John Tozzi https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=jtozz January 30, 2014

Medicare’s big experiment in changing how it pays doctors and hospitals appears to be paying off. A voluntary program started three years ago to reward health-care providers for keeping people healthy rather than delivering more care has saved the federal government more than $380 million, officials announced today.


Health economists and policymakers widely agree that we should pay doctors for keeping people healthy, rather than the current fee-for-service model, in which health-care providers have an incentive to perform more tests and treatments. But changing those incentives is difficult.
The idea behind Accountable Care Organizations is that groups of doctors and hospitals team up to coordinate how they treat patients. They focus on preventive care and managing chronic disease to keep people healthy. The goal is to reduce unnecessary medical costs, especially expensive treatments such as trips to the emergency room. If they save Medicare money, the organizations get to keep some of the savings.


Story: Maryland Will Limit Hospital Charges Statewide
More than 360 groups of health-care providers have formed ACOs. The voluntary program, created by the Affordable Care Act, now covers 5.3 million people on Medicare, the federal health insurance program for older Americans, or about one in eight people on Medicare, according to Jon Blum, principal deputy administrator at the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS). “This number is far higher than what we had guessed would happen three years into the program,” he said on a call with reporters today.
The program allows for two types (pdf) of ACOs, depending on how much risk health-care providers want to take on. Under the lower-risk program, known as Medicare Shared Savings, 114 ACOs signed up in 2012, and 54 spent less than projected to treat patients in the first year, CMS reported. Of those, 29 reduced costs for Medicare enough to keep some of the savings—$126 million in total.
The record for the higher-risk program—known as Pioneer ACOs—has been spottier. Nine of the 32 original Pioneer ACOs have left the program or converted to the lower-risk track. But the 23 that remained saved Medicare $147 million in their first year, the agency reported.




Story: Maryland Puts Hospitals on a Budget, for Efficiency's Sake
The savings didn’t compromise the care patients got, Blum said. Measures of quality, such as patient satisfaction and safety, are improving even as costs go down, meaning “we are getting better value for our Medicare resources.”
There are plenty of caveats to Medicare’s announcement. The program is voluntary, and the groups of doctors and hospitals that signed up in the first year were the most eager to try new ways of delivering medicine. Even so, more than half of them didn’t beat their cost-savings targets for the first year.




Most medical care in the U.S. is still bought and sold in a fee-for-service marketplace—sometimes with bad results. The current legal battle over allegations that hospital chain Health Management Associates’ (HMA) pressured doctors to increase revenue by admitting more patients shows just how perverse the incentives still are for health-care providers. Health Management Associates has not commented on the allegations but told the New York Times that it is cooperating with the Justice Department’s investigation.




Story: How Much Do Medical Devices Cost? Doctors Have No Idea
If the experiment shows that ACOs can save money and improve care, and if the government can find a way to switch more health-care providers to that system or something like it, the implications for Medicare patients, the health-care industry, and America’s fiscal outlook would be profound. Those are big ifs. Still, Blum said the early results from ACOs are promising. “This is not a small step,” he said. “We’re in this for the long term. What I think is impressive is that so many organizations did save in its first year.”










At first, all the right wingers were applauding the quirks in the system as ACA got under way. But now the quirks have gradually been worked out with MILLIONS of people being covered and multiple millions of dollars being saved.










Thank you President Obama!!!


 

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Delusional right wingers like you may not like ACA even though you enjoy your own brand of socialized medicine. And hey - got good news for you, ACA is working:


Obamacare's Medicare Experiment Is Working - Businessweek


Obamacare's Medicare Experiment Is Working

By John Tozzi January 30, 2014

Medicare’s big experiment in changing how it pays doctors and hospitals appears to be paying off. A voluntary program started three years ago to reward health-care providers for keeping people healthy rather than delivering more care has saved the federal government more than $380 million, officials announced today.


Health economists and policymakers widely agree that we should pay doctors for keeping people healthy, rather than the current fee-for-service model, in which health-care providers have an incentive to perform more tests and treatments. But changing those incentives is difficult.
The idea behind Accountable Care Organizations is that groups of doctors and hospitals team up to coordinate how they treat patients. They focus on preventive care and managing chronic disease to keep people healthy. The goal is to reduce unnecessary medical costs, especially expensive treatments such as trips to the emergency room. If they save Medicare money, the organizations get to keep some of the savings.


Story: Maryland Will Limit Hospital Charges Statewide
More than 360 groups of health-care providers have formed ACOs. The voluntary program, created by the Affordable Care Act, now covers 5.3 million people on Medicare, the federal health insurance program for older Americans, or about one in eight people on Medicare, according to Jon Blum, principal deputy administrator at the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS). “This number is far higher than what we had guessed would happen three years into the program,” he said on a call with reporters today.
The program allows for two types (pdf) of ACOs, depending on how much risk health-care providers want to take on. Under the lower-risk program, known as Medicare Shared Savings, 114 ACOs signed up in 2012, and 54 spent less than projected to treat patients in the first year, CMS reported. Of those, 29 reduced costs for Medicare enough to keep some of the savings—$126 million in total.
The record for the higher-risk program—known as Pioneer ACOs—has been spottier. Nine of the 32 original Pioneer ACOs have left the program or converted to the lower-risk track. But the 23 that remained saved Medicare $147 million in their first year, the agency reported.




Story: Maryland Puts Hospitals on a Budget, for Efficiency's Sake
The savings didn’t compromise the care patients got, Blum said. Measures of quality, such as patient satisfaction and safety, are improving even as costs go down, meaning “we are getting better value for our Medicare resources.”
There are plenty of caveats to Medicare’s announcement. The program is voluntary, and the groups of doctors and hospitals that signed up in the first year were the most eager to try new ways of delivering medicine. Even so, more than half of them didn’t beat their cost-savings targets for the first year.




Most medical care in the U.S. is still bought and sold in a fee-for-service marketplace—sometimes with bad results. The current legal battle over allegations that hospital chain Health Management Associates’ (HMA) pressured doctors to increase revenue by admitting more patients shows just how perverse the incentives still are for health-care providers. Health Management Associates has not commented on the allegations but told the New York Times that it is cooperating with the Justice Department’s investigation.




Story: How Much Do Medical Devices Cost? Doctors Have No Idea
If the experiment shows that ACOs can save money and improve care, and if the government can find a way to switch more health-care providers to that system or something like it, the implications for Medicare patients, the health-care industry, and America’s fiscal outlook would be profound. Those are big ifs. Still, Blum said the early results from ACOs are promising. “This is not a small step,” he said. “We’re in this for the long term. What I think is impressive is that so many organizations did save in its first year.”










At first, all the right wingers were applauding the quirks in the system as ACA got under way. But now the quirks have gradually been worked out with MILLIONS of people being covered and multiple millions of dollars being saved.










Thank you President Obama!!!


Nothing in there at all about ACA but keep on keeping on .
 

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Health care data is probably the most valuable data another country could have on another.


If Little Russia is pounding the system.....
 

petros

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If it were a weaker dictator like Il in N Korea, people would panic. Why not when a far more brutal and far more dangerous dictator gets their mitts on the cookies in the jar?
 

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The Obamacare website's software was written in part by programmers linked to the Belarus govt. Belarus is a Russian ally. Apparently US intelligence agencies have informed HHS to start searching for malware inserted in the software. What could go wrong?
 

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The Obamacare website's software was written in part by programmers linked to the Belarus govt. Belarus is a Russian ally. Apparently US intelligence agencies have informed HHS to start searching for malware inserted in the software. What could go wrong?

No no BT... Obamacare care has already saved millions...it's cheaper... and everyone loves it. Only racists are against it.

Obamacare will push 2 million workers out of labor market: CBO - Washington Times
 

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The Congressional Budget Office reported today that Obamacare will reduce employment by an amount equal to 2.3 million full time jobs. Thanks Obama.



Hee, hee - you jumped the gun sucker: it's the precise opposite:


CBO director: Obamacare will reduce unemployment


CBO director: Obamacare will REDUCE unemployment




As noted here yesterday, Republicans went mad with glee at the new Congressional Budget Office report on deficits and the Affordable Care Act, with multiple GOP officials claiming it showed the law will kill over two million jobs. That was false.


Under questioning today before the House Budget Committee from Dem Rep. Chris Van Hollen, CBO director Douglas Elmendorf confirmed that in reality, his report suggests Obamacare will reduce unemployment:


The CBO report found that Obamacare — through subsidizing health coverage – would reduce the amount of hours workers choose to work, to the equivalent of 2.5 million full-time workers over 10 years. This was widely spun by Republicans as a loss of 2.5 million jobs.
To counter this, Van Hollen cited the report’s findings on Obamacare’s impact on labor demand, rather than supply. On page 124, the report estimates that the ACA will “boost overall demand for goods and services over the next few years because the people who will benefit from the expansion of Medicaid and from access to the exchange subsidies are predominantly in lower-income households and thus are likely to spend a considerable fraction of their additional resources on goods and services.” This, the report says, “will in turn boost demand for labor over the next few years.”


“When you boost demand for labor in this kind of economy, you actually reduce the unemployment rate, because those people who are looking for work can find more work, right?” Van Hollen asked Elmendorf.
“Yes, that’s right,” Elmendorf said.


Elmendorf added that the factor Van Hollen had identified was something CBO thinks “spurs employment and would reduce unemployment over the next few years.”
So there it is: The CBO report found the opposite of what some foes of the law claimed.
Now, it’s true that elsewhere in his testimony — when questioned by Paul Ryan — Elmendorf confirmed that the subsidies from Obamacare would reduce the incentive to work, and that this would reduce economic growth. But as Brian Beutler explains well, for many people this incentive to work is not even necessarily a good thing, because it flows from “job lock,” i.e., they are tied to their jobs in order to have health care.
As Jonathan Cohn points out, conservatives might have a principled policy disagreement with that point, arguing that some people will have bad reasons for working less (they don’t want to work more), but even if they do, a similar impact is felt from any policy offering financial assistance that’s conditioned on income level — even conservative health reform ideas.
Wherever you come down on that debate, conservatives making that case are at least remaining within the parameters of what the CBO report actually said. The claim by GOP officials that Obamacare will snuff out over two million jobs does not fall within the parameters of what the CBO report actually said.
What this really comes down to is that Republicans mischaracterized the report’s findings because they don’t want to let go of their “Obamacare is a job killer” talking point. After all, it’s much harder politically to argue that helping poor people get health coverage is a bad idea because it reduces their incentive to work than it is to argue that Big Bad Government Regulations (in the form of unpopular Obamacare) are killing millions of jobs, driving up unemployment, and strangling the recovery.
But the CBO report just doesn’t support that latter claim, and the director of the CBO himself has now confirmed it.










In your haste to attack Obama you fell for the right wing bullshtt that turned out to be wrong yet again.












More lives and money saved - sad news for the drugged up and delusional right wingers but good news for all else.


Thank you President Obama.
 

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That is some uber-twisted logic goph.... People will be 'healthier' because of ACA and consequently will buy more goods and services?

... They will need jobs first to earn the money, unless you are pushing for more cash stipends to the 50%+ that presently don't pay Fed income taxes
 

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That is some uber-twisted logic goph.... People will be 'healthier' because of ACA and consequently will buy more goods and services?

... They will need jobs first to earn the money, unless you are pushing for more cash stipends to the 50%+ that presently don't pay Fed income taxes

The U.S. tax system is different from ours, you can't judge it from income tax alone. For instance take a gander at Oregon's Home owner's taxes!