Smile! You’ve Got Socialized Healthcare!

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pgs said:
Yup the White House can't produce numbers , Selibus can't produce numbers, but Gopher has the numbers .
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... and so does Ted Cruz ;)


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Obama Cares! - YouTube



Lyrics:
I've got 2 grandmas -- whom I lovingly idolize
How will Obama decide which one to euthanize?
That's not a thing -- we wont be putting grandma down
We're proud to say we haven't killed one grandma since we've been around!

Can I bring my gun in the hospital -- in case something goes down?
No, sir, you can't -- but then how the hell am I supposed to stand my ground?!
My hero Freddie never enrolled, and he turned out fine!
Yeah maybe up until somewhere around 1989

Healthcare!
There's so many opinions
Healthcare!
They're usually wrong
That's why we're here to answer all your questions
In the form of a song

Be-Cos your BMI's 60, your artery tears
Your leg is restless and your asthma flares
And Obama's the only one who cares!

If I'm not pregnant, do I still have to get an abortion?
Whoever told you that, is guilty of distortion
I think my 6 year old's too young for birth control
Ma'am, no one wants that, now please why wont you just enroll?

They'll put a barcode in our arm said a Congressman on tv
Will that set off the metal detector at airport security?
No, bar codes aren't involved -- whoever said that's full of ****
And frankly, I'm concerned by how ok you seem to be with it.

Healthcare!
There's so many opinions
Healthcare!
They're usually wrong
That's why we're here, to answer all your questions
In the form of a song

Be-Cos your BMI's 60, your artery tears
Your leg is restless and your asthma flares
And Obama's the only one who cares!

I prefer the Affordable Care Act or the "ACA"
Ma'am that's Obamacare -- no it's not -- fine, ok!
I plan on getting shot -- a lot -- promise I wont die?
That's not a promise I can make - and may I ask, why?

So will Obama be my personal physician?
I'm sure he'd love to, but he's not qualified for that position
Will he at least wash his hands before performing surgery?
Obama's not your doctor...I mean, are you not hearing me?

Healthcare!
There's so many opinions
Healthcare!
They're usually wrong
That's why we're here to answer all your questions
In the form of a song

Be-Cos your BMI's 60, your artery tears
Your leg is restless and your asthma flares
And Obama's the only one who cares!
Obama cares, Obama cares get it? Obama cares!

Written by: Bob Ferrera and Taylor Ferrera
 
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gopher said:
... and so does Ted Cruz ;)


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Obama Cares! - YouTube



Lyrics:
I've got 2 grandmas -- whom I lovingly idolize
How will Obama decide which one to euthanize?
That's not a thing -- we wont be putting grandma down
We're proud to say we haven't killed one grandma since we've been around!

Can I bring my gun in the hospital -- in case something goes down?
No, sir, you can't -- but then how the hell am I supposed to stand my ground?!
My hero Freddie never enrolled, and he turned out fine!
Yeah maybe up until somewhere around 1989

Healthcare!
There's so many opinions
Healthcare!
They're usually wrong
That's why we're here to answer all your questions
In the form of a song

Be-Cos your BMI's 60, your artery tears
Your leg is restless and your asthma flares
And Obama's the only one who cares!

If I'm not pregnant, do I still have to get an abortion?
Whoever told you that, is guilty of distortion
I think my 6 year old's too young for birth control
Ma'am, no one wants that, now please why wont you just enroll?

They'll put a barcode in our arm said a Congressman on tv
Will that set off the metal detector at airport security?
No, bar codes aren't involved -- whoever said that's full of ****
And frankly, I'm concerned by how ok you seem to be with it.

Healthcare!
There's so many opinions
Healthcare!
They're usually wrong
That's why we're here, to answer all your questions
In the form of a song

Be-Cos your BMI's 60, your artery tears
Your leg is restless and your asthma flares
And Obama's the only one who cares!

I prefer the Affordable Care Act or the "ACA"
Ma'am that's Obamacare -- no it's not -- fine, ok!
I plan on getting shot -- a lot -- promise I wont die?
That's not a promise I can make - and may I ask, why?

So will Obama be my personal physician?
I'm sure he'd love to, but he's not qualified for that position
Will he at least wash his hands before performing surgery?
Obama's not your doctor...I mean, are you not hearing me?

Healthcare!
There's so many opinions
Healthcare!
They're usually wrong
That's why we're here to answer all your questions
In the form of a song

Be-Cos your BMI's 60, your artery tears
Your leg is restless and your asthma flares
And Obama's the only one who cares!
Obama cares, Obama cares get it? Obama cares!

Written by: Bob Ferrera and Taylor Ferrera
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So only you and Ted Cruz have the numbers, perhaps one of you can pass them along to the White House .
 
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First Class-Action Lawsuit Filed Against Nevada Obamacare Exchange « CBS Las Vegas

Law firm Callister & Associates filed the lawsuit on behalf of Larry Basich, who signed up for state health insurance and paid premiums as far back as November, but then was not covered following a Jan. 3 triple bypass procedure that saw his $400,000 in medical expenses passed between the wrong insurance companies

No no no! No don't sue Larry! You're covered and all is well! Obama and the Dems say so.
 
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"I'm a Republican, and You Should Get Covered"


I wrote a letter to President Obama this past February to tell him about my experience with the Health Insurance Marketplace. I hoped he'd read it, and he did.

I may not be a supporter of the President. But now, I get mad when I see Obamacare dragged through the mud on television.

And even though I regularly tune in to conservative pundits, I'd like to tell them they're getting it wrong. Obamacare works.



"I'm a Republican, and You Should Get Covered" | The White House



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meanwhile more Republican lies about ACA debunked:



* YET ANOTHER OBAMACARE VICTIM AD: Americans for Prosperity is up with yet another spot featuring an Obamacare victim, this time an Arkansas farmer who claims his plan was cancelled, and holds Dem Senator Mark Pryor responsible for it. In Arkansas, however, the cancellation of plans has been deferred for years. And so, the man claims: “We’ve yet to receive anything telling us our plan is going to be extended.”
Notably, the ad leaves vague whether his plan was actually cancelled or not. Confusion and disruption themselves are the hardships endured.
* YET ANOTHER OBAMACARE VICTIM AD DEBUNKED: Meanwhile, FactCheck.org takes apart the latest Americans for Prosperity ad in Michigan against Dem Gary Peters, which features a mother of five who says her new plan under Obamacare is unaffordable and claims the law is “destroying the middle class:”
In fact, her case is an example of how middle-class families can benefit from the law — if they choose to do so…It turns out that Wendt found a cheaper, subsidized plan on the exchange, but declined to accept it because she did not want her children on the Children’s Health Insurance Program.
As AFP’s ads have come under scrutiny, the victim tales have essentially withered away and disappeared.



Morning Plum: Do Republicans have a Plan B?




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Like it or not, the law is here to stay:








Even though nobody cried "socialism" when the Fortune 500 companies got their medical coverage subsidized at taxpayer expense, you may call it socialized medicine if you like. Whatever the case, it's the law. Because of it more money and lives will be saved.
 
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gopher said:




"I'm a Republican, and You Should Get Covered"


I wrote a letter to President Obama this past February to tell him about my experience with the Health Insurance Marketplace. I hoped he'd read it, and he did.

I may not be a supporter of the President. But now, I get mad when I see Obamacare dragged through the mud on television.

And even though I regularly tune in to conservative pundits, I'd like to tell them they're getting it wrong. Obamacare works.



"I'm a Republican, and You Should Get Covered" | The White House



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meanwhile more Republican lies about ACA debunked:



* YET ANOTHER OBAMACARE VICTIM AD: Americans for Prosperity is up with yet another spot featuring an Obamacare victim, this time an Arkansas farmer who claims his plan was cancelled, and holds Dem Senator Mark Pryor responsible for it. In Arkansas, however, the cancellation of plans has been deferred for years. And so, the man claims: “We’ve yet to receive anything telling us our plan is going to be extended.”
Notably, the ad leaves vague whether his plan was actually cancelled or not. Confusion and disruption themselves are the hardships endured.
* YET ANOTHER OBAMACARE VICTIM AD DEBUNKED: Meanwhile, FactCheck.org takes apart the latest Americans for Prosperity ad in Michigan against Dem Gary Peters, which features a mother of five who says her new plan under Obamacare is unaffordable and claims the law is “destroying the middle class:”
In fact, her case is an example of how middle-class families can benefit from the law — if they choose to do so…It turns out that Wendt found a cheaper, subsidized plan on the exchange, but declined to accept it because she did not want her children on the Children’s Health Insurance Program.
As AFP’s ads have come under scrutiny, the victim tales have essentially withered away and disappeared.



Morning Plum: Do Republicans have a Plan B?




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Like it or not, the law is here to stay:








Even though nobody cried "socialism" when the Fortune 500 companies got their medical coverage subsidized at taxpayer expense, you may call it socialized medicine if you like. Whatever the case, it's the law. Because of it more money and lives will be saved.
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Great every incumbent Democrat in any kind of contentious race is either ignoring or out right running from the ACA .
Yet here is Gopher embracing it , I wonder if he feels a little like Bagdad Bob or Tokyo Rose ?
 
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gopher said:
Even though nobody cried "socialism" when the Fortune 500 companies got their medical coverage subsidized at taxpayer expense, you may call it socialized medicine if you like. Whatever the case, it's the law. Because of it more money and lives will be saved.
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That's an old fallacy goph.

Those Fortune 500 companies pay Billions in taxes that are used to, not only cover their medical exposure, but also pay for the >50% of Americans that don't pay Fed income taxes and still receive healthcare.

I know you don't like that little factoid, but it still doesn't change the facts.
 
pgs

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captain morgan said:
That's an old fallacy goph.

Those Fortune 500 companies pay Billions in taxes that are used to, not only cover their medical exposure, but also pay for the >50% of Americans that don't pay Fed income taxes and still receive healthcare.

I know you don't like that little factoid, but it still doesn't change the facts.
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See my statement below .
 
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pgs; said:
Great every incumbent Democrat in any kind of contentious race is either ignoring or out right running from the ACA .
Yet here is Gopher embracing it , I wonder if he feels a little like Bagdad Bob or Tokyo Rose ?
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Quite the contrary my deluded Friend - Democrats are embracing it as Obama has openly declared victory about his success at signing 7+ million:


First Take: Obama basks after ACA enrollment turnaround


First Take: Obama basks after ACA enrollment turnaround



''"In the end, history is not kind to those who would deny Americans their basic economic security," Obama said in a Rose Garden event to mark the end of the enrollment period. "Nobody remembers well those who stand in the way of America's progress or our people, and that's what the Affordable Care Act represents. As messy as it's been sometimes, as contentious as it has been sometimes, it is progress."''



Some critics call it "gloating". But don't kid yourself for a moment - like President Obama said, ACA is here to stay. Every Democrat in the country who supported him on ACA is now looking to use its success in the upcoming campaign against Republicans who tried to outlaw it. Look for yourself in the Washington Post and NY Times:


E.J. Dionne: The GOP must admit it was wrong on Obamacare - The Washington Post


''So let’s say it out loud: The ACA is doing exactly what its supporters said it would do. It is getting health insurance to millions who didn’t have it before. (The Los Angeles Times pegged the number at 9.5 million at the beginning of the week.) And it’s working especially well in places such as Kentucky, where state officials threw themselves fully and competently behind the cause of signing up the uninsured. Those who want to repeal the law will have to admit that they are willing to deprive these people, or some large percentage of them, of insurance.''

''Given how many times the law’s enemies have said the sky was falling when it wasn’t, will there be tougher interrogation of their next round of apocalyptic predictions?''



Did you bother to look at the Ted Cruz Facebook fiasco??? He expected to see hundreds of people denouncing ACA. Instead, he got THOUSANDS endorsing it.


How about this hilarious blurb:



Stephen Colbert Flawlessly Mocks Republican Heartbreak In Wake Of Obamacare Success



Colbert revealed that he didn’t want to rain on anyone’s parade, pointing out that he had to cancel his ‘Obamacare = Failure’ parade.




Except for CC's Republicans and wannabes, every newspaper and web site throughout the USA has people by the tens of thousands thanking President Obama for ACA's success. Like it or not, reform is here to stay.
 
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gopher said:
Quite the contrary my deluded Friend - Democrats are embracing it as Obama has openly declared victory about his success at signing 7+ million:


First Take: Obama basks after ACA enrollment turnaround


First Take: Obama basks after ACA enrollment turnaround



''"In the end, history is not kind to those who would deny Americans their basic economic security," Obama said in a Rose Garden event to mark the end of the enrollment period. "Nobody remembers well those who stand in the way of America's progress or our people, and that's what the Affordable Care Act represents. As messy as it's been sometimes, as contentious as it has been sometimes, it is progress."''



Some critics call it "gloating". But don't kid yourself for a moment - like President Obama said, ACA is here to stay. Every Democrat in the country who supported him on ACA is now looking to use its success in the upcoming campaign against Republicans who tried to outlaw it. Look for yourself in the Washington Post and NY Times:


E.J. Dionne: The GOP must admit it was wrong on Obamacare - The Washington Post


''So let’s say it out loud: The ACA is doing exactly what its supporters said it would do. It is getting health insurance to millions who didn’t have it before. (The Los Angeles Times pegged the number at 9.5 million at the beginning of the week.) And it’s working especially well in places such as Kentucky, where state officials threw themselves fully and competently behind the cause of signing up the uninsured. Those who want to repeal the law will have to admit that they are willing to deprive these people, or some large percentage of them, of insurance.''

''Given how many times the law’s enemies have said the sky was falling when it wasn’t, will there be tougher interrogation of their next round of apocalyptic predictions?''



Did you bother to look at the Ted Cruz Facebook fiasco??? He expected to see hundreds of people denouncing ACA. Instead, he got THOUSANDS endorsing it.


How about this hilarious blurb:



Stephen Colbert Flawlessly Mocks Republican Heartbreak In Wake Of Obamacare Success



Colbert revealed that he didn’t want to rain on anyone’s parade, pointing out that he had to cancel his ‘Obamacare = Failure’ parade.




Except for CC's Republicans and wannabes, every newspaper and web site throughout the USA has people by the tens of thousands thanking President Obama for ACA's success. Like it or not, reform is here to stay.
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I'm so feeble I hit the green button. To make up for that mistake I'll have to give you two reds.
 
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BaalsTears; said:
I'm so feeble I hit the green button. To make up for that mistake I'll have to give you two reds.
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Actually you gave me six reds so I'll gladly pay you back.


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Meanwhile, Obamacare remains a HUGE success:


Obamacare a Huge Success



Let’s introduce a new category into the discussion. So far we’ve had two. The first is that Obamacare may make it by the skin of its teeth. The second is that’s it’s a total failure and the worst thing since unsliced bread. Time for a third: It’s a huge success and a triumph and a historic achievement and an immeasurable benefit to the American people.
I’ll stake out this lonely ground, because the allowed media narratives have other things to do. The allowed narratives are, first, the hysterical made-up Republican one, which we must all treat with feigned respect and write it up as spoken as if it makes sense or is sincere. And the other allowed narrative is that the hysterical made-up Republican narrative may not be ENTIRELY the whole story, and maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle between this and the never-reported or discussed actual liberal point of view (single payer). The next-best alternative, a robust defense of Obamacare has also been next to impossible to find. I’m here today to (not for the first time) provide this missing piece of the conversation.
Here it is, in brief. The American healthcare system was a disgraceful mess before Obamacare, leaving growing numbers of people uncovered in a system of unchecked and runaway wasteful costs. Since Obamacare was passed the standard has changed and we are moving toward humane universal coverage, like every other advanced nation. And the costs and delivery systems are finally subject to at least the beginnings of a discussion about costs and results. Sanity and humanity prevailed, for once.






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Insurance rates are increasing at the slowest rate in a decade, and more people are insured than before. It's the END OF EVERYTHING!!!




"the hysterical made-up Republican one, which we must all treat with feigned respect and write it up as spoken as if it makes sense or is sincere."

This is something happening frequently in out politics today. Right wing extremists GOP Office holders, and other right wingers say stuff to news people, the news people know it is extreme and irrational, but they cannot say that they must treat what is extreme and irrational as if it is reasonable and supported by some facts to be "fair".






... and more ...






There's just nothing further to be discussed on this. ACA is the law of the Land - that may not sit well with those who prefer to see poor Americans die but the tied has been unalterably turned. We who wanted reform have won the day.






CASE CLOSED.
 
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The ACA creates winners and losers. This is what distinguishes it from Social Security and Medicare. The losers under the ACA can always be mobilized on the basis of grievance. Obama and his pathetic acolytes will be forced to wage a never ending twilight struggle that will divide and weaken America. Obamacare will be permanent in the same way pancreatic cancer is permanent. See you hell.
 
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Forget Obamacare, Vermont wants to bring single payer to America






In 1947, Saskatchewan began doing something very different from the rest of the country: it decided to pay the hospital bills for all residents. The system was popular and effective — and other provinces quickly took notice. Neighboring Alberta started a hospital insurance plan in 1950, and by 1961 all ten Canadian provinces provided hospital care. In 1966, Canada passed a national law that grew hospital insurance to a more comprehensive insurance plan like the one that exists today.


Saskatchewan showed that a single-payer health-care system can start small and scale big. And across the border, six decades later, Vermont wants to pull off something similar. The state is three years deep in the process of building a government-owned and -operated health insurance plan that, if it gets off the ground, will cover Vermont’s 620,000 residents — and maybe, eventually, all 300 million Americans.


"If Vermont gets single-payer health care right, which I believe we will, other states will follow," Vermont Gov. Peter Shumlin predicted in a recent interview. "If we screw it up, it will set back this effort for a long time. So I know we have a tremendous amount of responsibility, not only to Vermonters."


When Shumlin ran on a single-payer platform in 2010, it was unprecedented. No statewide candidate — not in Vermont, not anywhere — had campaigned on the issue, and with good political reason. Government-run health insurance is divisive. When the country began debating health reform in 2009, polls showed single-payer to be the least popular option.


Shumlin just barely sold Vermont voters on the plan (he beat his Republican opponent by less than one percentage point). Then, he got the Vermont legislature on board, too. On May 26, 2011, Shumlin signed Act 48, a law passed by the Vermont House and Senate that committed the state to building the country’s first single-payer system.


Now comes the big challenge: paying for it. Act 48 required Vermont to create a single-payer system by 2017. But the state hasn’t drafted a bill that spells out how to raise the approximately $2 billion a year Vermont needs to run the system. The state collects only $2.7 billion in tax revenue each year, so an additional $2 billion is a vexingly large sum to scrape together.




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Forget Obamacare: Vermont wants to bring single payer to America - Vox
 
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