ya we shall see if you are still for it, if some day your kid is wrongfully accused of murder and is up for the Death Penalty..
Should the death penalty for murder be reintroduced?
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Obligations are unrelated to rights. For example, if we as citizens have an obligation to preserve each others' lives, then we have no right to murder one another. However, since we don't have a right to life, we can still suffer the consequences if we fail to uphold our oligations.
Who pays? You?
And what guarantee do we have that some dogooder judge doesn't let him/her out to reoffend. It has happened before.
The reason for the death penalty was to serve as a deterrent, so people would
not kill each other. The truth is, aside from premeditated murder or murder for
higher, people kill each other without planning to do so. Without the intent of
first degree murder the death penalty wouldn't apply.
We have a few other problems with the current system as well. Eye witness
accounts are not reliable. The evidence is often skewed and in some cases,
as recently pointed out justice was completely absent. We are now paying the
wrongfully accused. What if we had already hanged them?
I think we have not developed a fool proof system, and we have likely hanged
innocent people in the past.
I could be persuaded to consider the death penalty for those who engaged in
murder for hire.
Do we want justice or do we want revenge, that is the real question. If we want
justice, killing the winner of a quarrel or some other altercation doesn't seem like
justice to me, as both parties engaged in the altercation.
In the case of first degree murder, it is far better to lock up the selfish sob and
deny them freedom forever, that is far better than giving them the easy way out.
WE are just not at the fool proof stage yet.
not kill each other. The truth is, aside from premeditated murder or murder for
higher, people kill each other without planning to do so. Without the intent of
first degree murder the death penalty wouldn't apply.
We have a few other problems with the current system as well. Eye witness
accounts are not reliable. The evidence is often skewed and in some cases,
as recently pointed out justice was completely absent. We are now paying the
wrongfully accused. What if we had already hanged them?
I think we have not developed a fool proof system, and we have likely hanged
innocent people in the past.
I could be persuaded to consider the death penalty for those who engaged in
murder for hire.
Do we want justice or do we want revenge, that is the real question. If we want
justice, killing the winner of a quarrel or some other altercation doesn't seem like
justice to me, as both parties engaged in the altercation.
In the case of first degree murder, it is far better to lock up the selfish sob and
deny them freedom forever, that is far better than giving them the easy way out.
WE are just not at the fool proof stage yet.
And we never will be; that doesn't mean we let murderers off the hook. It just means we need to raise the burden of proof for capital punishment.
Certainly the judge should always have the option of sentencing to life if he has even the slightest doubt about the possibility of error.
You stated letting them off the hook...I ask again, how are they being "let off the hook".
I would bet that once Williams saw his solitary confinement cell in Kingston he would have appreciated an immediate firing squad. I believe life in prison is worse punishment than death. Add in the fact that some innocent people are executed, I don't see any rationale for it.
Instead of locking him up in a cell, why not put him to work and so get some economic benefit out of him?
Penal labour - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Seems to work in Japan and Brazil. Can we not learn from them or are we too good to learn from other countries?
For the sake of the dignity of prisoners, I would certainly oppose work for the sake of work just to add to the punishment, but I see nothing wrong with economically productive work. And heck, if they work hard, why not let them keep a small percentage of their earnings as an incentive?
For low-security inmates, why not prison farms:
Prison farm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And for high security inmates, similar but in more remote areas, for logging, mining or other resource industries, etc.
I don't know what they do in North Korea, but if your analogy is to cruelty, consider that prisoners, especially in maximum-security prisons, would probably appreciate the chance to work for a number of reasons:
1. it keeps them busy and provides routine, thus combating boredom,
2. it could provide them with at least a little pare change depending on how hard they work, thus allowing them to be able to afford to live ore comfortably in prison for example.
Of course all labour laws that apply to us should apply to them too of course. What would be wrong with that?
If anything, denying them the chance to work is more cruel, not to mention in opposition to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which Canada signed:
Article 23.
(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
As for section 1, that's essentially what I'm proposing. The state has an obligation to ensure all have access to employment. Sections 2 and 3 ought to apply too, though granted we could charge them for room and board and security. Though I'm not fond of section 4, seeing that we have signed the Declaration, then until it's modified or Canada strikes its name off of the list of signatories, I guess we'd have to allow for that too.
Take out all options for parole unless new evidence is introduced that proves innocence and I agree with you.
Definitely, for cases like Williams, Olson, Homolka, Shearing, Bernardo and whichever A$$hole killed the elderly couple near Edson AB. :smile:
Yeah, a man right here in Vernon was murdered several years ago by a jerk who was already sentenced to life in prison for murder.
Yeah, a man right here in Vernon was murdered several years ago by a jerk who was already sentenced to life in prison for murder.
