Should Quebec separate from Canada?

Lou Garu

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3rd? I was thinking 2nd. The 3rd language would then be whatever language you wanted to learn.

As for candidates, Esperanto would be one, though any language that meets the following qualifications could qualify:

1. It must be phonetic, with one letter for each sound and no silent letters.

2. It must have no unnecessary rules of grammar and no exceptions to the rules, following the most logical rules of grammar.

3. It must have, or at least come close to having, but one word for one meaning, and vice versa.

4. It must contain words stemming from various languages so as to make it easy for many to learn.

Neither English nor French meet these criteria, not by a long shot.

Ty Machjo I wasn't sure if I followed you argument correctly
Esperanto seems to be the best fit , even though it design roots are heavily euro -centric
 

Machjo

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Ty Machjo I wasn't sure if I followed you argument correctly
Esperanto seems to be the best fit , even though it design roots are heavily euro -centric

Atually, logical structure has been proven to be more important than similarities in language learning. One study conducted by the Chinese government in the 1920s had found that Chinese pupils could learn Esperanto more quickly than even Japanese, in spite of the similarities between Chinese and Japanese, owing to the logical structure of the Esperanto language.

The same applies with the Korean script by the way. In spite of a lack of similarities between the Roman and Korean scripts, Westerners can master the entire Korean script within a matter of hours owing to its logical structure; yet these same westerners would need years to master the complexities of English spelling.

So in fact, if the aim is to make the language easy to learn, the focus ought to be on the logic of the structure of the language, and not etymological similarities.

Another point to make is that nothing says that we couldn't instroduce Esperanto in schools now while promoting that the UN create a new language in future. Esperanto could serve a temporary purpose until an even easier language could take its place later.
 

Lou Garu

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Kohnini-wa Muchjo san ,hai dozo


Atually, logical structure has been proven to be more important than similarities in language learning. One study conducted by the Chinese government in the 1920s had found that Chinese pupils could learn Esperanto more quickly than even Japanese, in spite of the similarities between Chinese and Japanese, owing to the logical structure of the Esperanto language.

OH! ,that's a new one to me...

The same applies with the Korean script by the way. In spite of a lack of similarities between the Roman and Korean scripts, Westerners can master the entire Korean script within a matter of hours owing to its logical structure; yet these same westerners would need years to master the complexities of English spelling.

And yet a young Korean lady once told me that english was much easier than Korean to learn
(caveat : she spent most of her youth in Canada )

So in fact, if the aim is to make the language easy to learn, the focus ought to be on the logic of the structure of the language, and not etymological similarities.

Another point to make is that nothing says that we couldn't instroduce Esperanto in schools now while promoting that the UN create a new language in future. Esperanto could serve a temporary purpose until an even easier language could take its place later.

I've seen supposed successors to esperanto, but without the base
I'm still in agreement with you on most off the arguments sssooo
I must bow to the master
 

Machjo

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I'm no master, and I don't know Japanese either, sorry.

But thanks for the compliment. You certainly do have a sweet tongue... er, sorry, I meant sweet fingers typing on that keyboard.
 

Lou Garu

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I'm no master, and I don't know Japanese either, sorry.

But thanks for the compliment. You certainly do have a sweet tongue... er, sorry, I meant sweet fingers typing on that keyboard.

My sweet.......uh ,,,,,, fingers come with much effort and a willingness to re-edit ( a lot )
and that was about the limit for my japanese
 

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Machjo typed:

The same applies with the Korean script by the way. In spite of a lack of similarities between the Roman and Korean scripts, Westerners can master the entire Korean script within a matter of hours owing to its logical structure; yet these same westerners would need years to master the complexities of English spelling.


Lou Garu typed:

And yet a young Korean lady once told me that english was much easier than Korean to learn
(caveat : she spent most of her youth in Canada )


My response:

Notice that I'd referred to the Korean script, not the Korean language.
 

Machjo

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My sweet.......uh ,,,,,, fingers come with much effort and a willingness to re-edit ( a lot )
and that was about the limit for my japanese

You edit your work in a forum? Wow. I seldom edit my work in a forum. I do enough of that at work:lol:
 

Lou Garu

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You edit your work in a forum? Wow. I seldom edit my work in a forum. I do enough of that at work:lol:

If I didn't , I would sound like a mouth-breathing redneck , this way ,at one remove , I can consider the arguments somewhat dispassionately
 

Lou Garu

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Machjo typed:

The same applies with the Korean script by the way. In spite of a lack of similarities between the Roman and Korean scripts, Westerners can master the entire Korean script within a matter of hours owing to its logical structure; yet these same westerners would need years to master the complexities of English spelling.


Lou Garu typed:

And yet a young Korean lady once told me that english was much easier than Korean to learn
(caveat : she spent most of her youth in Canada )


My response:

Notice that I'd referred to the Korean script, not the Korean language.

The point is taken
 

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don't forget Tuskaroran (sp)
There are lots in Canada? I just took a list from the demographics page at Wiki. I didn't see Tusc in the list. The Anishinaabe used to be about the 2nd or 3rd largest group in North America but I didn't see Anishinaabemowin in the list either.
 

ironsides

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Machjo:
The U.S. definatly has a similar history destroying cultures, totally wiped out the local African languages and dialects, tried destroying the native American culture as well as what ever cultures and languages people immigrated here with. It would take time to learn a second language fluently, probably one generation. My wife and daughter speak Spanish switching from English to Spanish and back without missing a beat. Both learned it within the past 5 years.



English (Français) One (Un)

Creek Hvmken

Miccosukee Lhaamin


I just looked up to see if local tribes even had a written language, and came up with the above. Seems the lost languages are making a comeback.
 

Lou Garu

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There are lots in Canada? I just took a list from the demographics page at Wiki. I didn't see Tusc in the list. The Anishinaabe used to be about the 2nd or 3rd largest group in North America but I didn't see Anishinaabemowin in the list either.

Actually ,the thought I had was that you can't have more of a minority than one ,and still be in Canada
 

Lou Garu

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Machjo:
The U.S. definatly has a similar history destroying cultures, totally wiped out the local African languages and dialects, tried destroying the native American culture as well as what ever cultures and languages people immigrated here with. It would take time to learn a second language fluently, probably one generation. My wife and daughter speak Spanish switching from English to Spanish and back without missing a beat. Both learned it within the past 5 years.



English (Français) One (Un)

Creek Hvmken

Miccosukee Lhaamin


I just looked up to see if local tribes even had a written language, and came up with the above. Seems the lost languages are making a comeback.

And if my experience is to go by , your wife and daughter make the switch back and forth sound like a beautiful way to talk
 

ironsides

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I think we should have lots of official languages and then just let people choose which one they want to use for whatever the region around them uses. Perhaps 10 official languages would be really cool.


Now your making it complicated again.:) Go over big at the UN.