Should George Bush be charged for commiting war crimes?

[Johnny Utah]

JonB2004

Your argument that 2300 American soldiers died and 250,000 Iraqi's died (where the hell did you ever get that number by the way) is not a premise for a war crime. War crimes are defined as breaking rules of engagement, intentionally killing civilian populations and so forth.

And people like JonB2004 wonder why their never taken serious. :roll:

Hey TV boy you're scared shitless of the left and you take us very seriously or you wouldn't be here mouthing off like a parrot <snip>

I will leave this worthless pathetic post from you to the Mods to deal with.

 

[pastafarian]

I would suggest that while perhaps any "surge" in terrorism would not be quite as dramatic as pastafarian had implicated,

I know Johnny Utah can't be bothered with anything so pointless as actually becoming informed, but I'd had higher hopes for you, FiveParadox:

The State Department announced last week that it was breaking with tradition in withholding the statistics on terrorist attacks from its congressionally mandated annual report. Critics said the move was designed to shield the government from questions about the success of its effort to combat terrorism by eliminating what amounted to the only year-to-year benchmark of progress.

Although the State Department said the data would still be made public by the new National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), which prepares the information, officials at the center said no decision to publish the statistics has been made.

The controversy comes a year after the State Department retracted its annual terrorism report and admitted that its initial version vastly understated the number of incidents. That became an election-year issue, as Democrats said the Bush administration tried to inflate its success in curbing global terrorism after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

"Last year was bad. This year is worse. They are deliberately trying to withhold data because it shows that as far as the war on terrorism internationally, we're losing," said Larry C. Johnson, a former senior State Department counterterrorism official, who first revealed the decision not to publish the data.

Washington Post

London, Oct 16, IRNA -- Prime Minister Tony Blair has confirmed for the first time that he was warned by British intelligence that invading Iraq would increase the threat posed by al-Qaeda. "The assessment I received was that the greatest terrorist threat to Western interests came from al-Qaeda and related groups, and that this threat would be heightened by military action against Iraq," Blair said in a written reply to parliament on Wednesday.

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2. Impact on the War on Terrorism
• Iraq serving as a rallying cry for global terrorists. By maintaining an open-ended military presence in Iraq, the Bush administration continues to give global terrorist groups a potent recruitment tool. In the first quarter of 2006, there have been 620 incidents of terrorism in the world, up from 415 terrorist incidents in the first quarter of 2003.
• Iraq serving as live exercise training ground for global terrorists. By invading Iraq without a plan to stabilize the country, the Bush administration created a new terrorist haven where none had previously existed. The Central Intelligence Agency’s National Intelligence Council warned last year that Iraq has become the new leading training ground for global terrorists. In the first quarter of this year, U.S. intelligence and military officials voiced concerns that terrorists were taking their newly acquired skills in Iraq and using them in Afghanistan, where the battle against terrorists remains incomplete.

All emphasis added by me.

The Center for American Progress

 

[mabudon]

RE: Should George Bush be

Terrorists don't need a reason to hate the United States or any other Country they just do.

THAT is pointless drivel man, an absolutely meaningless phrase which is top evoke a pavlovian "well then we gots ta GIT em" response...
just calling a tree a tree, Fiveparadox is right in claiming ever-so-cautiously that there can almost be NO question that Uncle Sam has made himself REAL unpopular in certain regions during the last 4 years or so (see "war drums beating for Iran" or "US backed coup against Chavez")

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Should George Bush be

Violence! Get real righty. You're terrified of socialists, and you should be, you hide behind Uncle Sams skirt and seem to have no opinion that you haven't pulled out of a movie or a commic book.

 

[Canucklehead]

Re: RE: Should George Bush be charged for commiting war crim

Why is Dark Beaver given freedom to attack posters?

Jay,

You've been around long enough to know that if you deem something blatantly offensive, report it and we'll have a look. The post was reported, incidentally, but it would've been nice to see from you instead of that post.

 

[pastafarian]

mabudon, I like the way you summarise a complex post so succinctly and accurately!

THAT is pointless drivel man

Congrats!

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Should George Bush be charged for commiting war crim

Why is Dark Beaver given freedom to attack posters?

Jay,

You've been around long enough to know that if you deem something blatantly offensive, report it and we'll have a look. The post was reported, incidentally, but it would've been nice to see from you instead of that post.

I didn't find it blatantly offensive.

 

[Canucklehead]

RE: Should George Bush be

Then you shouldn't have commented. PM me if it's really an issue at this point.

 

[EagleSmack]

I see DU is still on DB's HOT LIST for war crimes.

The US WILL ALWAYS USE DU.

It works SOOOOOOO Good!

I do not think one Iraqi tank has survived a hit from a DU tank round and the armor would have to be about 10 feet thick to stop it!

Give up DU... sure, right after we give up Claymore Mines!

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Should George Bush be

It kills the people who use it EagleSmack, how will you tell your kids that you were O/K with it's use. Like I'v said before
250,000 American service personell on permanent medical disability and 12,000 dead because of it and birth defects among those same military personell, but you love it, that's a pretty sickening attitude as far as I'm concerned.
Under several international treatys and conventions it's use is a crime.

 

[BitWhys]

since the topic's kind of come up, I'm wondering. This 3.5% enrichment Iran says it pulled off, is that a more concentrated product than Depleted Uranium, or less?

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Should George Bush be

Interesting question, I'll go find out.

 

[BitWhys]

thanks

I couldn't find anything that puts the two together and all that isotope talk makes my head spin.

 

[Johnny Utah]

I would suggest that while perhaps any "surge" in terrorism would not be quite as dramatic as pastafarian had implicated,

I know Johnny Utah can't be bothered with anything so pointless as actually becoming informed, but I'd had higher hopes for you, FiveParadox:

I am more informed then you are, now get back to your hypocritical Left Wing BS. :wink:

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: RE: Should George Bush be

Terrorists don't need a reason to hate the United States or any other Country they just do.

THAT is pointless drivel man, an absolutely meaningless phrase which is top evoke a pavlovian "well then we gots ta GIT em" response...
just calling a tree a tree, Fiveparadox is right in claiming ever-so-cautiously that there can almost be NO question that Uncle Sam has made himself REAL unpopular in certain regions during the last 4 years or so (see "war drums beating for Iran" or "US backed coup against Chavez")

Your whole post is pointless drivel.

 

[darkbeaver]

Natural uranium in soil is about 1 to 3 parts per million, whereas in uranium ore it is about 1,000 times more concentrated, reaching about 0.05 to 0.2 percent of the total weight. Depleted uranium concentrate is almost 100 percent uranium. More than 99 percent of both natural and depleted uranium consists of the isotope U-238. One gram of pure U-238 has a specific activity of 12.4 kBq, which means there are 12,400 atomic transformations every second, each of which releases an energetic alpha particle. Uranium 238 has a half life of 4.51 E+9 (or 4.51 times 10 to the 9thpower, equivalent to 4,510,000,000 years).

Each atomic transformation produces another radioactive chemical: first, uranium 238 produces thorium 234, (which has a half life of 24.1 days), then the thorium 234 decays to protactinium 234 (which has a half life of 6.75 hours), and then protactinium decays to uranium 234 (which has a half life of 2.47E+5 or 247,000 years). The first two decay radioisotopes together with the U 238 count for almost all of the radioactivity in the depleted uranium. Even after an industrial process which separates out the uranium 238 has taken place, it will continue to produce these other radionuclides. Within 3 to 6 months they will all be present in equilibrium balance. Therefore one must consider the array of radionuclides, not just uranium 238, when trying to understand what happened when veterans inhaled depleted uranium in the Gulf War.

It should be noted that uranium 235, the more fissionable fraction which was partially removed in enrichment, makes up only 0.2 to 0.3 percent of the depleted uranium, whereas it was 0.7 percent of natural uranium. It is this deficit which enables one to use analytical methods to identify the uranium found in veteran's urine as depleted and not natural uranium. The U 235 was extracted for use in nuclear weapons and nuclear reactor fuel. Depleted uranium is considered nuclear waste, a by-product of uranium enrichment.

www.ccnr.org/du_hague.html

 

[Toro]

Re: RE: Should George Bush be

please

there's a huge difference between a decent drilling contract and being taken advantage of. Production Sharing Agreements, especially for development of known reserves like what's getting snapped up in Iraq, are an oil company's dream.

funny how that worked out. like I said. bonus.

And there's a huge difference between desiring a piece of property and invading a country for it. You have offered zero, zip, nada tangible proof that the invasion was spurred to take over the oil fields. All you have done is offer conjecture. That's ALL any of the war-for-oil crowd has offered.

That piece you linked said the oil companies thought the Iraqi oil fields were desireable. No kidding! I always thought the people at oil companies never, ever did any work on oil field analysis and strategic planning! Silly me.

So, we find out that Bush was planning to invade beforehand and manipulating intelligence to justify doing so, and BANG!, it must be about oil! Couldn't be anything else. Oh no! It can only be about oil. Couldn't have anything to do with national security or any other reason. It can ONLY be about oil. Its like the logic, "I desire that woman. Ergo, I'm going to rape her. There can be no other option."

 

[Toro]

George Bush is eeeeeeeeeeeeevil! Eeeeeeeeeevil I tell you!

 

[JonB2004]

RE: Should George Bush be

You done with the sarcasm, Toro?

 

[Toro]

RE: Should George Bush be

Are you done with the silly conspiracy theories?