You base your argument on 2 cases out of 21,000 cases of unwanted pregnancies and you call me obtuse? rofflmfao
Should Canadian tax payers be funding abortion?
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Really? Where? Point them out.
I'm not surprised. Even life itself seems irrelevant to you.
That's a bad spin attempt. You are the one tossing out what ifs and when I come up with the numbers showing how few cases there exist on your little what ifs, you ignore them. *shrugs* I'm not keeping up with you, Peewee, I'm past you.
Whatever. It's irrelevant, just like your cute little what ifs.
lol Quit looking behind you for me, I'm not there.
And I bring up the numbers to show how few cases you are basing your argument on, and you ignore them. You don't debate, you SPA as much as SPA does.
DUH I showed the numbers of accidental pregnancies and they aren't that many. I also said the chances are decreased even further if people use 2 types of contraceptive together. So abortion is the only solution to failed contraception? Wrong. Adoption is also a solution.
Again, the instances are few.
Yes. Like I said, I am pro-choice. It's up to her doc and her. You are still basing your argument on an extremely small number of pregnancy cases.
What are you gibbering about? I didn't say no-one was using them. And I didn't say no-one was doubling up on them. I simply produced a table showing failure rates of contraceptives. Then I suggested that doubling up on them would reduce the risk even further. You can't understand that so you spin what I said. You poor, sad, little effort of a human being.
And yet you started out by sniveling at me that a portion of women don't have a choice. They can't afford a rubber or a tube of gel or whatever and ignore my idea that gov't should provide them rather than fork over for as many abortions as it does.
roflmao, by the time the gov't got around to actually imposing these restrictions on what they would cover or not, almost everyone would have heard about it years before and adjusted to living with the restrictions. The gov't puts restrictions on what it covers all the time anyway. People still manage.
Who's talking about anything being up to anyone? I thought we were discussing possibilities and alternatives. You think abortion is the only choice for unwanted pregnancies and actually said "there are no alternatives to abortion". I showed you to be wrong. There's always more education, more use of contraception, and adoption.
Bilgewater. Contraception is an alternative to getting pregnant because in most cases it does prevent pregnancy. And yes in most cases, getting pregnant is a choice anyway because the method is a choice in most cases. Adoption is also an alternative to aborting because one can choose to abort or to give away.
And 89% of those people make the choice to abort for unnecessary reasons. I show how that percentage can be reduced drastically and you start sniveling. Impressive.
I don't care about that part so much. I have my opinion about when a human life starts and other people have theirs. The evidence suggests it starts at viability, because that is when a kid can survive outside the womb. Life itself starts almost at conception with cell division. Legally, life only starts when the baby is born (which can range from around 28 weeks to after 9 months.
Like I said, why worry? Worrying is different than being concerned about. Again, your comprehension seems to be minimal. It may be why you think so little of life (other than your own, I would guess).
There's no alternative, so you might as well abort yourself now, Peewee. roflmao
I do my best at minimizing it and suffering. What do you do to enrich life? I'd bet very little.
Link?
Anyway, if that's what I typed it was a typo. I am pro-choice.
WTG, Sherlock. You figured it out. YAY for Paxius.:idea:For the record, Something that is against the law is "Legal" with an "I" in the front.... ie: Illegal.
Can you say "Illegal?"
Sure.... I knew you could.
Nope. You only think I do and your thinking leaves a lot to be desired.
Not directly. You implied these ways shouldn't be used because of a few instances where they don't work.
No, there isn't a clarification. Yet you ASSume that contraception would not work even if they had used it so abortion is all that's left.
I don't know who that would be. I'm suggesting that there are alternatives to abortion and that contraception and adoption are those alternatives. You think abortion is it, the only solution and there are no alternatives. You stated that.
Exactly. You flail it around like a weapon. It's funny.
Immigration is fine. But when the gov't and business whine about not enough Canadians having kids, they shouldn't try ways of reducing the number of abortions.
lol Wrong.
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..... Oh.... I'm sorry, you're still going on with all this?
The only thing I see worth actually responding to is your request for a link:
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AnnaG - "Again, I think abortion should be illegal, but people need to be educated more about the alternatives and gov't is not helping much."
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/91328-should-canadian-tax-payers-funding-4.html
Christ, it wasn't even a full page ago, you posted it 1 day ago... and you can't even remember wtf you said and ask others to search and provide your own screw ups on a silver platter?
It's because of stupid things like this and the trivial crap your try and use to take the topic beyond what it's about to try and confuse the issue, that I can't honestly be bothered to continue with this useless banter with you.
Before you go on preaching about what other's have said, maybe you should get a grip on what you say first & get your sh*t together.
Have a wonderful day.
*shrugs* It was a typo.
Thanks, but please don't call me that.
lol Since when does 1 measly typo turn into "screwupS"? On the exaggeration kick again, huh. Is that the homework SPA gave you from exaggeration 101 class?
In other words you're saying, "I can't even hope to catch up with you, so I quit."
Ooops, back to the typo again, huh? You just can't get beyond that. Poor lad.
Thank you.
Ditto
Indeed.... a typo in which I suspected, asked if it was a number of times, yet took almost a whole'nother page to get a straight answer out of you on if it was or not.
Which created this whole long winded tangent from the original topic and further arguments over a platitude of things that don't relate to the original debate to begin with and only further clouded the debate.
When all you had to do was say "oh sorry, that was a typo, I meant 'legal'." and we all could have moved on ~ However you continually either didn't read what I was saying, or simply ignored what I was saying and continued to side track over piddily things more and more while not even looking back to clear up any of the previous messes you created..... which thus, proves my point once again, that I'm right.
It's ok... I forgive you this time.... I am a generous and compassionate person, I know, but don't spread that around. The fame and attention gets to be a little too much at times and I'm only one mere deity.
Anyways, considering it's pretty well just you and me tossing monkey poop at each other, it would appear all has been said in this thread and the topic has thus died.
Which created this whole long winded tangent from the original topic and further arguments over a platitude of things that don't relate to the original debate to begin with and only further clouded the debate.
When all you had to do was say "oh sorry, that was a typo, I meant 'legal'." and we all could have moved on ~ However you continually either didn't read what I was saying, or simply ignored what I was saying and continued to side track over piddily things more and more while not even looking back to clear up any of the previous messes you created..... which thus, proves my point once again, that I'm right.
It's ok... I forgive you this time.... I am a generous and compassionate person, I know, but don't spread that around. The fame and attention gets to be a little too much at times and I'm only one mere deity.
Anyways, considering it's pretty well just you and me tossing monkey poop at each other, it would appear all has been said in this thread and the topic has thus died.
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I wasn't basing my argument on it.
I gave two examples off the top of my head that refuted your stand that this never happens.
Who said it never happens? It wasn't me. Perhaps it was you just saying that I said that.
After several times of my pointing out that I am pro-choice and that I think there are better ways to go than abortion even if it is legal. Yeah tough to figure out the typo. Yup. lmao
Nah. That was your creation.
So I said it and now you are still making a mountain of it. *shrugs* It was a typo.
Life's a bitch for those who are irrelevant.
Suit yourself. I throw horse pucks.
I still think there are better ways to go than abortion, the final decision is the woman's and her doc's, and 89% of abortions are unnecessary.
Anyway, I admit to exaggerating a bit, too; you aren't as bad as SPA.
I am not commenting one way or another about this new law in Neb., but it is the first restrictions I have heard in quite awhile.
New laws in Neb. add restrictions on abortions
That law bars the procedure at and after 20 weeks of pregnancy based on the assertion that fetuses can feel pain at that point. The other requires women be screened before having abortions for mental health issues and other risk factors indicating if they might have problems afterward.
New laws in Neb. add restrictions on abortions - Yahoo! News
New laws in Neb. add restrictions on abortions
That law bars the procedure at and after 20 weeks of pregnancy based on the assertion that fetuses can feel pain at that point. The other requires women be screened before having abortions for mental health issues and other risk factors indicating if they might have problems afterward.
New laws in Neb. add restrictions on abortions - Yahoo! News
Fighting it for "unconstitutional" grounds? Well, I guess whatever works. I'd have though fighting this on medical grounds would be the thing to do as there is the occasional medical reason for terminating after 20 weeks.
News flash: "Mother dies from medical complication after 21 weeks of pregnancy".
News flash: "Mother kills newborn after suffering PPD. PPD was not detected at the time of screening".
Quite so.
It is, indeed, refreshing to see that you have mastered polysyllabic words. I commend you on your recent intellectual growth.
Thank you. You're about 3 decades late in congrats and off-topic, though, but it's appreciated.
Interesting definitions of abortion:
abortion [əˈbɔːʃən]
n 1. (Medicine / Gynaecology & Obstetrics) an operation or other procedure to terminate pregnancy before the fetus is viable
2. (Medicine / Gynaecology & Obstetrics) the premature termination of pregnancy by spontaneous or induced expulsion of a nonviable fetus from the uterus
abortion [əˈbɔːʃən]
n 1. (Medicine / Gynaecology & Obstetrics) an operation or other procedure to terminate pregnancy before the fetus is viable
2. (Medicine / Gynaecology & Obstetrics) the premature termination of pregnancy by spontaneous or induced expulsion of a nonviable fetus from the uterus
Whose definition was that?
From Princeton U's dictionary:
"termination of pregnancy "
According to West's Encyclopedic Dictionary of American Law:
" Induced termination of a pregnancy with destruction of the embryo or fetus"
Merriam_Webster says:
"
Main Entry: abor·tion
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈbȯr-shən\
Function: noun
Date: 1547
1 : the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus: as a : spontaneous expulsion of a human fetus during the first 12 weeks of gestation — compare miscarriage b : induced expulsion of a human fetus c : expulsion of a fetus by a domestic animal often due to infection at any time before completion of pregnancy — compare contagious abortion
2 : monstrosity
3 : arrest of development (as of a part or process) resulting in imperfection; also : a result of such arrest"
Prolife states do pass antiabortion laws from time to time to see how much Supreme Court will permit. State like Nebraska would put a total ban on abortion if Supreme Court will permit it. Failing that, they try to do what they can. The ultimate aim is of course, to ban abortion completely, an important step towards getting rid of female emancipation and forcing women back into the kitchen and the bedroom.