Should Canada introduce a compulsory year of service?

CDNBear

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Never happen, you need the parents to get off their duffs and participate. Would be great if they would though.​
That may be necessary in the US, that's not to say that we don't suffer from the same afflictions here. But here our schools have become hotbeds of Liberalism and mediocrity. No one is to be made to feel they have lost or are not as accomplished as someone else. This just breeds mediocrity.

Hell, I've even gone toe to toe with my sons teachers over something as far removed from their capacity as fishing. My oldest had a teacher tell him that fishermen are murderers. I told her to keep her asinine views to herself and stick to the liberal programming. It wasn't as hurtful to a child and easy to deprogram with logic and truth.

Schools and parents are failing society on both sides of the border.
 

ironsides

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It is the same here, seems sociology has taken priority over basics like Math, English, (Real) Science, History as it was, not as it should have been (in teachers minds). Locally they brag how good the Florida schools are, they are 47-48th in the country. The schools just feed kids thru without any regard as to what or how they will live their lives. You have it made if you play football good though, at least thru college.

Oh by the way, that neighbor I was referring to is a friend of mine from outside Quebec, been living full time here for over 6 years,​
 

Machjo

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Some Lessons in Mathematics: a comparison of mathematics teaching in Japan and America

Very interesting comparison of maths education in America and Japan. Some of the comparisons are as follows:

  • U.S. students spend an average of 143 hours per year studying mathematics. In Japan the figure is 117 hours.
  • in the U.S., students of different abilities are typically divided into different teaching groups. In Japan, no ability grouping is practised
  • textbooks were used during class in almost half of U.S. mathematics lessons, but in only 2 percent of Japanese lessons (in Japan textbooks are used for homework)
  • learning a skill, such as being able to solve a certain type of problem, or using a standard formula, was listed as the goal by about 60 percent of the U.S. mathematics teachers, compared with 27 percent of the Japanese teachers
  • mathematical thinking, such as exploring, developing, and understanding concepts, or discovering multiple solutions to the same problems, was described as the goal of the lesson by 71 percent of the Japanese mathematics teachers, compared with 24 percent of U.S. teachers
  • in the U.S., 96 percent of working time in mathematics lessons was spent on routine procedures, in comparison to 41 percent in Japan.
  • students were asked to invent new solutions, proofs, or procedures on their own which required them to think and reason in 44 percent of Japanese, and less than 1 percent of U.S. lessons.
  • explicit links between concepts used in one part of the lesson to ideas or activities in another part of the lesson was a feature of 96 percent of Japanese mathematics lessons in comparison to about 40 percent of U.S. lessons.
  • in the U.S., 86% of U.S. mathematics teachers set at least 90 minutes homework per week, compared to 21% of Japanese teachers (where, typically, set homework is less than one hour per week).
  • nevertheless, both Japanese and U.S. students report spending about the same amount of time, between 30 and 60 minutes per night, studying mathematics (in Japan, one factor is that 64% of Japanese students in Year 9 report attending weekly extra tuition sessions in mathematics which tend to focus on the review and practice of mathematical skills).
 

china

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And if the people involved had a better grasp on self discipline, more self confidence and better training...
Self discipline :imitating someone or something, no originality.Mechanical training .
When in "the bush " you need love and respect of the surroundings and allot of common sense. ; without these qualities nothing will take a positive shape ......These 4 RCMP officers showed none of these qualities .

PS..."the bush "is a more civilized place than the Vancouver Int. Airport.
 
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wulfie68

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Self discipline :imitating someone or something, no originality.Mechanical training .
When in "the bush " you need love and respect of the surroundings and allot of common sense. ; without these qualities nothing will take a positive shape ......These 4 RCMP officers showed none of these qualities .

PS..."the bush "is a more civilized place than the Vancouver Int. Airport.

No.

Self discipline is the willingness to temporarily put aside personal pleasures to achieve a goal. Its the willingness to get your hands dirty when it needs to be done to improve things around you. If your toilet is plugged, self discipline is what compels you to unplug it and clean up the mess instead of smelling flowers in your garden. Its not about mechanical obedience but an acceptance that life is not limited to the "nice" things. Its also what allows us to face our fears and overcome them.

And you don't need love in the bush, just respect for your surroundings. A bear,cougar or any other animal won't care if you love it or not; neither will poison ivy or the like: just get stay out of its way.

I'm not wild about the Peace Corps idea either to be honest: that seems to be more an externally focused program. I'm not saying its without worth but if we're trying to build our communities, I feel we need to focus more on them.
 

JLM

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No.

Self discipline is the willingness to temporarily put aside personal pleasures to achieve a goal. Its the willingness to get your hands dirty when it needs to be done to improve things around you. If your toilet is plugged, self discipline is what compels you to unplug it and clean up the mess instead of smelling flowers in your garden. Its not about mechanical obedience but an acceptance that life is not limited to the "nice" things. Its also what allows us to face our fears and overcome them.

And you don't need love in the bush, just respect for your surroundings. A bear,cougar or any other animal won't care if you love it or not; neither will poison ivy or the like: just get stay out of its way.

I'm not wild about the Peace Corps idea either to be honest: that seems to be more an externally focused program. I'm not saying its without worth but if we're trying to build our communities, I feel we need to focus more on them.

I'll buy the first two paragraphs for sure. I've always thought the difference between successful people and failures is the ability of the former to concentrate on the sh***y aspects of their job, their life etc. until those things are right. Then they can ENJOY the roses.
 

Zzarchov

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Im all for it.

As long as its retroactive.

Cause Im sick of the generation that brought rampant sex and drug use into the mainstream making rules they didn't have to live by to fix the "young punk kids of today".

So as long as everyone who hasn't put in a year of service gets off their ass, runs in bootcamp and stops being so lazy at their middle management do-nothing-job regardless of age

Im all for it.
 

darkbeaver

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What generation was that Zzarchov? Rampant drug use and sex, now I remember , you had it backward. You could use some rampant drug filled sex, is it all gone or what? So us old people ruined your life, tough, stop your whineing and sign up.
 

ironsides

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Self discipline :imitating someone or something, no originality.Mechanical training .
When in "the bush " you need love and respect of the surroundings and allot of common sense. ; without these qualities nothing will take a positive shape ......These 4 RCMP officers showed none of these qualities .

PS..."the bush "is a more civilized place than the Vancouver Int. Airport.


Nothing in civilian life prepares you for survival in the "bush", other than growing up in the bush.
I agree with your PS.

 

Sublime

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The Canadian Forces are feared and respected worldwide because we are a voluntary force our soldiars want to do it.

Consciption kinda works against that.
 

ironsides

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The Canadian Forces are feared and respected worldwide because we are a voluntary force our soldiars want to do it.

Consciption kinda works against that.




Between a conscripted and volunteer soldier there is not much difference. A case can be made both good and bad for both.
 

Machjo

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Good point. I can see nations fearing the Canadian Forces as an extention of NATO, but certainly not on their own. Too small. But than in itself is a good thing. Fear attracts opposition. Respected? Hard to say. It depends on the moral behaviour of the troops on the ground, though it would seem that they are behaving rather well; we haven't had too many court martials lately have we, and that can only work in the military's favour.