Senate Report On CIA Torture

Goober

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The Dick certainly has the courage to back his convictions. Warped, evil, inhumane and immoral as they may be.

I seem to be changing my attitude towards those that committed terror attacks.

That said certain techniques should never be used.
Then the questions arise.
Are they prisoners of War and subject to the Geneva Convention?
If so, as this is a never ending war, they would never be released.

We have the issue if they are released, under Canadian Law and many others as well, they cannot return them to a number of countries. As they could be subjected to torture.
What then, do we release them into Canadian - or wherever society?

Then I read this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/w...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

And when drones are used, civilians are killed. Yet those civilians know who these people are, many are family members. Do we not do anything?
 

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And you are correct. What I would consider "mild" sleep deprivation would be limiting sleep to 3 or 4 hours in a 24 hour period, for a max of say 10 days running.
Are you an authority on what qualifies as mild?
 

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I personally do not believe the CIA torture report. The United States couldn't have possibly done something immoral and uncivilized because the United States is the world's moral authority and its culture is civilized because it doesn't do immoral and uncivilized things because it's the world's moral authority and its culture is civilized because it doesn't do immoral and uncivilized things.
 

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According to the expert that answered you......not good...lol


I've always thought "dogmatic" was just another word for stubborn, so I guess it can be good or bad. Some of the old values we were brought up with will always be good, while others change with the times. Torture is generally not good, but there are exceptions like the ilk of ISIS or the Tallyban!:)
 

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I personally do not believe the CIA torture report. The United States couldn't have possibly done something immoral and uncivilized because the United States is the world's moral authority and its culture is civilized because it doesn't do immoral and uncivilized things because it's the world's moral authority and its culture is civilized because it doesn't do immoral and uncivilized things.

Damn right!
 

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NYT Editorial Board: Prosecute Torturers and Their Bosses

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/22/opinion/prosecute-torturers-and-their-bosses.html?ref=opinion

By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
DEC. 21, 2014

Since the day President Obama took office, he has failed to bring to justice anyone responsible for the torture of terrorism suspects — an official government program conceived and carried out in the years after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

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The American Civil Liberties Union is to give Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. a letter Monday calling for appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate what appears increasingly to be “a vast criminal conspiracy, under color of law, to commit torture and other serious crimes.”

The question everyone will want answered, of course, is: Who should be held accountable? That will depend on what an investigation finds, and as hard as it is to imagine Mr. Obama having the political courage to order a new investigation, it is harder to imagine a criminal probe of the actions of a former president.

But any credible investigation should include former Vice President Dick Cheney; Mr. Cheney’s chief of staff, David Addington; the former C.I.A. director George Tenet; and John Yoo and Jay Bybee, the Office of Legal Counsel lawyers who drafted what became known as the torture memos. There are many more names that could be considered, including Jose Rodriguez Jr., the C.I.A. official who ordered the destruction of the videotapes; the psychologists who devised the torture regimen; and the C.I.A. employees who carried out that regimen.
 

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Why Cheney loves torture:


Dick Cheney: The Reasoning of a War Profiteer



''One Percent Reasoning...

“If there is a one percent chance that Pakistani scientists are helping al-Qaeda build or develop a nuclear weapon, we have to treat it as a certainty,” reasoned Cheney back in November 2001, in what is now known as the One Percent Doctrine. It is interesting to imagine what the world would be like if any of our leaders or Soviet leaders reasoned like this during the Cold War. Certainly in the midst of the Cuban Missile Crisis the chances of the Soviets firing a nuclear weapon seemed higher than one percent. But was it a certainty?

This one percent doctrine is not the reasoning of a frenzied leader who cares solely about protecting his country, as Cheney would have people believe, but the reasoning of a war profiteer. Cheney and other Bush administration executives, like Donald Rumsfeld, were directly associated with companies who profited tremendously from the Iraq War, which was launched with this one percent type reasoning that turned out to be false.

Halliburton, the most notorious company to profit off of the Iraq War paid Dick Cheney, former CEO, a generous $34 million dollar exit package when he left to take the honorable role of a public servant. A going away present, similar to the long term incentive plans that Wall Street firms provide employees leaving for a position of influence in the government, like Obama’s latest Treasury Under Secretary nomination, Antonio Weiss. But the revolving door of Wall Street seems tame to the revolving door of war profiteers. Three years after the Iraq War, Halliburton’s stock had risen by 300 percent and it is estimated that the company received around $40 billion dollars worth of contracts from the U.S. government over the past decade, many of the deals given without any bidding. Not bad for a $34 million exit package.

Donald Rumsfeld also made quite the profit selling shares from defense companies like Lockheed Martin and Boeing for tens of millions before he became Defense Secretary. He also refused to sell his shares of Gilead Sciences, where he was Chairman before leaving for the public realm. The company held a a patent for the vaccine Tamiflu, which the Pentagon bought $58 million dollars worth in 2004. Fortunately for Rumsfeld, the Gilead stock, which was $7.45 when he became Defense Secretary and refused to sell, rose to an astonishing $67.45 by the time he left office.''





The profit motive.
 

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Guantánamo Diary exposes brutality of US rendition and torture | World news | The Guardian


The groundbreaking memoir of a current Guantánamo inmate that lays bare the harrowing details of the US rendition and torture programme from the perspective of one of its victims is to be published next week after a six-year battle for the manuscript to be declassified.

Guantánamo Diary, the first book written by a still imprisoned detainee, is being published in 20 countries and has been serialised by the Guardian amid renewed calls by civil liberty campaigners for its author’s release.

Mohamedou Ould Slahi describes a world tour of torture and humiliation that began in his native Mauritania more than 13 years ago and progressed through Jordan and Afghanistan before he was consigned to US detention in Guantánamo, Cuba, in August 2002 as prisoner number 760. US military officials told the Guardian this week that despite never being prosecuted and being cleared for release by a judge in 2010, he is unlikely to be released in the next year.

The journal, which Slahi handwrote in English, details how he was subjected to sleep deprivation, death threats, sexual humiliation and intimations that his torturers would go after his mother.

After enduring this, he was subjected to “additional interrogation techniques” personally approved by the then US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld. He was blindfolded, forced to drink salt water, and then taken out to sea on a high-speed boat where he was beaten for three hours while immersed in ice.

The end product of the torture, he writes, was lies. Slahi made a number of false confessions in an attempt to end the torment, telling interrogators he planned to blow up the CN Tower in Toronto. Asked if he was telling the truth, he replied: “I don’t care as long as you are pleased. So if you want to buy, I am selling.”





Perhaps this might stimulate some interest in closing down Gitmo and dealing with those who may have violated international law. We shall see ....
 

Tecumsehsbones

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My memory is foggy on this... Which President was elected on the (partial) platform of promising to close Gitmo?

Do you recall who that was goph?
It was Obama. And the Congress responded with legislation that made it impossible, in a textbook display of checks and balances. It was American civics exactly as it was designed to be.

Oh, sorry. I missed the point there, didn't I? Obama is a lying scumbag Kenyan Muslim socialist! Boo! Boo!