Sea life relocating fast in response to climate change

hunboldt

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We lost plenty of life from the last natural climate change too. Have you seen any sabre tooth tigers,hairy pachyderms or giant sloth lately?


Did you not buy a road bar in Saskatchewan recently?:p The Petros Of Moose Jaw Beer, Gas & Grill was crammed with them.
 

petros

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Hey, it was from rapid climate change and atmospheric reduction of O2 that did them in. The fossils and bones of the past 30,000 years show exactly how gaps are filled. Be proud to be a Sapien. Look what we've gone through in our own evolution in just a few generations and how fast things change. I'm not going to cry in the Neanderthal's beer for them.
 

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Hey, it was from rapid climate change and atmospheric reduction of O2 that did them in. The fossils and bones of the past 30,000 years show exactly how gaps are filled. Be proud to be a Sapien. Look what we've gone through in our own evolution in just a few generations and how fast things change. I'm not going to cry in the Neanderthal's beer for them.[/QUOTE]


Not the one's you have been serving as part of your PetrosCanada Roadhouse franchise, anyway...
 

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Hey, it was from rapid climate change and atmospheric reduction of O2 that did them in. The fossils and bones of the past 30,000 years show exactly how gaps are filled. Be proud to be a Sapien. Look what we've gone through in our own evolution in just a few generations and how fast things change. I'm not going to cry in the Neanderthal's beer for them.
It'still irrelevant. Nature picks its own speed and doesn't need "help". There's a difference between what nature does about evolution and what we do for profit to screw it up.
 

petros

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How does this sound? Wheat from Mesopotamia that was a perennial rye grass is being bred back in. We'll be able to plant once and harvest twice a year without ever having to fertilize, spray or till the soil ever again.

That one rye grass has spawned thousands of cultivars and spread globally with the help of man. It uses us to spread it's seed for it by offering better and more productive cultiivars.

Plants and animal use us to advance themselves as we do them.

Evolution is a war that we will never win if we lay down our arms.
 

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There has been climate change since the beginning of time and its a cycle
nothing more. The over fishing has nothing to with climate change it's about
greed
 

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There is less than 5% of the old growth forests left, rivers have been dammed, industry pukes out tons of toxins but man has nothing to do with climate change. Before intensive logging and the damming of the Columbia River, we lived in an interior rain forest, one of the only ones in the world. We used to get 20 ft. of snow every winter and the river froze. Now we are lucky to get three or four feet of snow, and summers are much hotter and dryer. We are no longer a rain forest. Cedars are dying off as the ground water levels drop. Pine are starting to replace spruce and hemlock. Don't tell me that this isn't happening because of human interference. Only those who have a vested interest in the rape and pillage of the environment are deniers.
 
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hunboldt

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Hey, it was from rapid climate change and atmospheric reduction of O2 that did them in. The fossils and bones of the past 30,000 years show exactly how gaps are filled. Be proud to be a Sapien. Look what we've gone through in our own evolution in just a few generations and how fast things change. I'm not going to cry in the Neanderthal's beer for them.


Seriously, Petros.

Global dimming of the Stratosphere may be our " best hope'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Miller_(canadian_politician)
 

petros

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There is less than 5% of the old growth forests left, rivers have been dammed, industry pukes out tons of toxins but man has nothing to do with climate change. Before intensive logging and the damming of the Columbia River, we lived in an interior rain forest, one of the only ones in the world. We used to get 20 ft. of snow every winter and the river froze. Now we are lucky to get three or four feet of snow, and summers are much hotter and dryer. We are no longer a rain forest. Cedars are dying off as the ground water levels drop. Pine are starting to replace spruce and hemlock. Don't tell me that this isn't happening because of human interference. Only those who have a vested interest in the rape and pillage of the environment are deniers.
Before whitie came along Natives torched the prairie and forests to improve hunting what you see as old growth is new growth post fire control.
 

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Before whitie came along Natives torched the prairie and forests to improve hunting what you see as old growth is new growth post fire control.
What, all of us?

The forest management of many nations was exemplary. There's a difference between controlled burns to clear underbrush and clearcutting.

The Brits and the French commented on how wonderfully park-like the American forests were, compared to the useless, tangled mess most of their forests were. Damn fools thought it was natural.
 

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Before whitie came along Natives torched the prairie and forests to improve hunting what you see as old growth is new growth post fire control.


The seneca's would cut down forest to make farmland...then when it was "used up" they would just move to a new spot and again deforest the area. They were known to drain marshland also to make farmland. Basically the same thing "whitie" is accused of doing, but I guess it's ok when the "noble savage" does it.
 

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The seneca's would cut down forest to make farmland...then when it was "used up" they would just move to a new spot and again deforest the area. They were known to drain marshland also to make farmland. Basically the same thing "whitie" is accused of doing, but I guess it's ok when the "noble savage" does it.
And the Amazonian tribes practiced "slash and burn" agriculture. Which, it turns out, is a pretty ecologically sound way to do it in that environment.

Comparing most Indian land management with European land management is like comparing Indian "wars" where the dead might occasionally reach double digits with World War II.
 

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Before whitie came along Natives torched the prairie and forests to improve hunting what you see as old growth is new growth post fire control.
There were trees in this area that were 3000 years old. We had old growth forests. The natives control burned some forests to promote blueberry growth. They didn't clear cut entire mountain ranges. There were herds of buffalo on the prairies that numbered in the millions, a testament to proper land management practices. Prairie grasses needed to be burnt to rejuvenate growth, the same way pine forests need a fire to open their seed cones.

There was almost none of the Americas that were not under some form of cultivation and land management prior to the European invasion. The proof that they were superior to European land management practices is in the pudding - clean water, clean air, vast herds of wildlife, lush forests, lush grasslands, abundant fish stocks. The Columbia river was one of the largest salmon fisheries in the world until Europeans decided they needed to dam the thing to control the water flow. Now there are no salmon except for dwindling Kokanee stocks. And the White Sturgeon and Bull Trout are almost gone.

Prior to invasion, the population of the Americas was between 90m and 110 million people. A quite manageable population. Now there many hundreds of millions, which is not so sustainable. Reminds me of a Monty Python bit. To paraphrase: "Did you see who moved in next door? White as the driven snow, they were. Breed like rats they do."
 
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"She thinks Canada needs to do a better job in order to manage its oceans at a time when things appear to be changing quickly."

How the heck do you 'manage' an ocean?

Simple. You tax working people right out of their jobs.

How does this sound? Wheat from Mesopotamia that was a perennial rye grass is being bred back in. We'll be able to plant once and harvest twice a year without ever having to fertilize, spray or till the soil ever again.

That one rye grass has spawned thousands of cultivars and spread globally with the help of man. It uses us to spread it's seed for it by offering better and more productive cultiivars.

Plants and animal use us to advance themselves as we do them.

Evolution is a war that we will never win if we lay down our arms.

Did you clear that with Monsanto?
 

petros

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The proof that they were superior to European land management practices is in the pudding - clean water, clean air, vast herds of wildlife, lush forests, lush grasslands, abundant fish stocks.
We have all that and then some in SK yet it's chalked full of Europeans and vitamins. What's you problem in BC? Whitie hates BC?
 

hunboldt

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We have all that and then some in SK yet it's chalked full of Europeans and vitamins. What's you problem in BC? Whitie hates BC?

Not so quick ,Petros. The shallow lakes of the prairies have had real phosphorus overload problems.There are proposals to drain the Qu'Appelle lakes and mine the bottoms for accumulated phosphorus 'mud.' the 'WAscana solution".
 

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National Parks.



To pay for the Spanish American War.



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I imagine that played a role but I doubt it was the only reason. He was a real outdoorsman. He didnt really have to pay for it. The war ended a few years before he became President. It is also congress which makes the money decisions.