Scott Walker signs restrictive abortion bill in Wisconsin

[PoliticalNick]

If I did not believe a fetus to be human, I'd have no qualms about a rape victim being allowed an abortion, and I truly can appreciate the difficulties involved. Again, society should provide her its full support whether she keep the baby or give it away. And certainly it would not be fair for her to be penalized should keeping the baby stand in the way of saving money for education, etc. However, there is still that pesky detail. It's human.

Nice to know you have no concern for the victims of rape. No consideration for the massive emotional trauma she would suffer by either keeping it as a reminder of the crime or giving it up for adoption and wondering forever about it. Glad to hear you would pile-on the trauma for your own personal beliefs.

 

[Cliffy]

What other purpose does the female serve in nature that differs from males?

I know - making sammiches!

 

[gerryh]

Of course I balance all rights the same way, my life is more important to me than yours or anybody else's so in the right situation I would kill you without a second thought.

Like I've said before, it's all about "me".

 

[Machjo]

Nice to know you have no concern for the victims of rape. No consideration for the massive emotional trauma she would suffer by either keeping it as a reminder of the crime or giving it up for adoption and wondering forever about it. Glad to hear you would pile-on the trauma for your own personal beliefs.

I do. Like I said, if I did not know the fetus to be human, no issue. But, it is human. Therefore, inasmuch as I feel for the victims of rape, there is still a moral imperative here. The fetus is human.

 

[gerryh]

Nice to know you have no concern for the victims of rape. No consideration for the massive emotional trauma she would suffer by either keeping it as a reminder of the crime or giving it up for adoption and wondering forever about it. Glad to hear you would pile-on the trauma for your own personal beliefs.

So killing the baby is going to make the fact that she was raped go away? Or is counseling and going through with the pregnancy showing her that even something as horrific as rape can have a silver lining?

 

[PoliticalNick]

So if I were just a pesky nuisance, you'd kill me without a second thought?

Well hell yes...;-):lol:

OK, being sarcastic, I'm sure you didn't quitre mean it that way. But on the point of law, yes abortion is legal. so are smoking, drinking, gambling, even being stupid in other ways within certain parameters. The fact that it is legal does not make it right.

It doesn't make it right in your opinion. Others have the opinion it is just fine. What the law does do is make it so your opinion and belief doesn't override another's right to a different opinion. I have stated many time I am personally against abortions except for a few specific circumstances but I am for people making their own decisions on the issue and woman having the right to full control over their health (both physical & mental) and bodies.

 

[Cliffy]

He said he kept the kids from when his brother boinked his sister. Why come down on me?

Because he didn't say that. You keep putting words in other peoples mouths. You need to take a breather. You seem to be hallucinating today.

 

[Machjo]

Well hell yes...;-):lol:

It doesn't make it right in your opinion. Others have the opinion it is just fine. What the law does do is make it so your opinion and belief doesn't override another's right to a different opinion. I have stated many time I am personally against abortions except for a few specific circumstances but I am for people making their own decisions on the issue and woman having the right to full control over their health (both physical & mental) and bodies.

I agree that the law is the law whether we agree to it or not. Had I been an RCMP officer during the residential school era, I'd have had no choice but to obey orders or resign. I don't agree with the special privileged status granted me and other French and English Canadians in the Official Languages Act, but there you have it. I don't agree with the separate school system in the constitution, but it is what it is. I can express my opposition towards them all the while still respecting the law.

Scientificlaly, a fetus is a human being as of conception; however the law grants a woman the right to choose so I'll obey the law and not interfere in her decision. That does not change the fact that I can stil disagree with the law all the while obeying it.

Well hell yes...;-):lol:

:lol:

 

[PoliticalNick]

I agree that the law is the law whether we agree to it or not. Had I been an RCMP officer during the residential school era, I'd have had no choice but to obey orders or resign. I don't agree with the special privileged status granted me and other French and English Canadians in the Official Languages Act, but there you have it. I don't agree with the separate school system in the constitution, but it is what it is. I can express my opposition towards them all the while still respecting the law.

Scientificlaly, a fetus is a human being as of conception; however the law grants a woman the right to choose so I'll obey the law and not interfere in her decision. That does not change the fact that I can stil disagree with the law all the while obeying it.

While I and half the scientists disagree with the 'life begins at conception' theory I respect your opinion on the matter. I agree with you totally in the fact that you can disagree with laws and yet still adhere to them. I go as far to agree with termination in certain circumstance although against it as a general principle but am pro-CHOICE so we are probably pretty close in opinion and attitude Machjo. My big problem in this debate is the people who would remove that choice from others in favour of their own personal beliefs.

 

[petros]

I know - making sammiches!

Now that is chauvinistic.

Because he didn't say that. You keep putting words in other peoples mouths. You need to take a breather. You seem to be hallucinating today.

He tried to be funny with a stupid comment and it backfired. If you set yourself, be prepared to deal with what you say.

While I and half the scientists disagree with the 'life begins at conception' theory I respect your opinion on the matter. I agree with you totally in the fact that you can disagree with laws and yet still adhere to them. I go as far to agree with termination in certain circumstance although against it as a general principle but am pro-CHOICE so we are probably pretty close in opinion and attitude Machjo. My big problem in this debate is the people who would remove that choice from others in favour of their own personal beliefs.

If women were making their "choice" without pressure, I'd be supportive but when abortions are because of pressures, ridiculous excuses and racial targeting I can't sit back and let the killing go on.

When clinics talk Native, black, Hispanic and impoverished white women into abortion and talk financially stable whites out of it I can't accept that. Can you?

 

[DaSleeper]

Assault of a Pregnant Woman and Murder
Can't seem to find any decisions in Canada.....

 

[petros]

Assault of a Pregnant Woman and Murder
Can't seem to find any decisions in Canada.....

There was a woman in AB charged not too long ago for trying to harm her fetus.

Abortion by racial stats..

Choice would be straight across the racial lines but for some reason....

Seeing Abortion in Black and White - YouTube

 

[Machjo]

Now that is chauvinistic.

He tried to be funny with a stupid comment and it backfired. If you set yourself, be prepared to deal with what you say.



If women were making their "choice" without pressure, I'd be supportive but when abortions are because of pressures, ridiculous excuses and racial targeting I can't sit back and let the killing go on.

When clinics talk Native, black, Hispanic and impoverished white women into abortion and talk financially stable whites out of it I can't accept that. Can you?

I'm not aware of such racial activities in clinics,but the idea of actively trying to talk a pregnant woman into an abortion is repulsive.

 

[DaSleeper]

Question: Can the court force a druggie into treatment and rehabilitation in Canada simply because she is pregnant??

 

[petros]

I'm not aware of such racial activities in clinics,but the idea of actively trying to talk a pregnant woman into an abortion is repulsive.

The stats speak for themselves.

Question: Can the court force a druggie into treatment and rehabilitation in Canada simply because she is pregnant??

Yes!

 

[PoliticalNick]

Now that is chauvinistic.

And damn funny too!:lol:

He tried to be funny with a stupid comment and it backfired. If you set yourself, be prepared to deal with what you say.

Actually Pete it is true, my brother had a heart-attack at 28 and I fostered his daughters for some time as their mother kind of lost it and got involved in cocaine.

If women were making their "choice" without pressure, I'd be supportive but when abortions are because of pressures, ridiculous excuses and racial targeting I can't sit back and let the killing go on.

I do not disagree with this position.

When clinics talk Native, black, Hispanic and impoverished white women into abortion and talk financially stable whites out of it I can't accept that. Can you?

This practice is absolutely wrong. All women should be give a choice based on unbiased information without any pressure from either side.

 

[DaSleeper]

The stats speak for themselves.


Yes!

A link would be nice for further reference in my bookmarks......................

 

[petros]

A link would be nice for further reference in my bookmarks......................

Why the Supreme Court Should Rule Against Mandatory Treatment: FIVE GOOD REASONS | Canadian Women's Health Network

Actually Pete it is true, my brother had a heart-attack at 28 and I fostered his daughters for some time as their mother kind of lost it and got involved in cocaine.

I do not disagree with this position.

This practice is absolutely wrong. All women should be give a choice based on unbiased information without any pressure from either side.

You did good.

To say it is free choice is misleading if there are pressures, flimsy excuses and racial targeting involved.

I do agree with abortion IF it's for the right reasons but I can't accept excuses.

A link would be nice for further reference in my bookmarks......................

Hold the phone.....mandatory treatment was dropped in 1997

http://leaf.ca/wordpress/wp-content...ildServices_Media_Release_October_31_1997.pdf

 

[DaSleeper]

The supreme court covers it's ***.....

 

[PoliticalNick]

The supreme court covers it's ***.....

And it covers your a$$. You want to be on the hook for thousands of multi-million dollar lawsuits for govt interference and misconduct?