Salmon's back but Government gets in way

[Walter]

Another example of why governments should just get the hell out of the way.
Kevin Libin: $15M inquiry into its collapse, Fraser River Salmon Fishery seeing top returns | Full Comment | National Post

 

[Liberalman]

Another example of why governments should just get the hell out of the way.
Kevin Libin: $15M inquiry into its collapse, Fraser River Salmon Fishery seeing top returns | Full Comment | National Post

The Fraser river belongs to the government so everybody has to play by the rules

 

[Tonington]

Another example of why governments should just get the hell out of the way.
Kevin Libin: $15M inquiry into its collapse, Fraser River Salmon Fishery seeing top returns | Full Comment | National Post

You and the author of this piece have no idea what you're talking about. This years returns are a fluke (blessed by anomalously cold waters when the smolt runs migrated into sea water), and the spawning population which produced this year class would have been even smaller than it was if there were no government controls on the biomass the fishing industry can haul in.

If you have been living under a rock, greater unregulation means that fishing communities on the West Coast risk turning into the jobless communities dotting the South Coast of Newfoundland.

 

[bill barilko]

you and the author of this piece have no idea what you're talking about. This years returns are a fluke (blessed by anomalously cold waters when the smolt runs migrated into sea water), and the spawning population which produced this year class would have been even smaller than it was if there were no government controls on the biomass the fishing industry can haul in.

If you have been living under a rock, greater unregulation means that fishing communities on the west coast risk turning into the jobless communities dotting the south coast of newfoundland .

x2-x2

 

[Tonington]

what is x2-x2?

 

[L Gilbert]

x squared - x squared = 0
Just guessing. But, who knows what he was implying?
BTW, I agree that the run is a fluke (nice pun lol), but I think the DFO are quite incompetent.

 

[Tonington]

I thought of zero too, but it seems to be a strange way of waving off what I said.

DFO is incompetent. They continue to use model which history has shown is incapable of effectively managing fish stocks.

 

[taxslave]

I thought of zero too, but it seems to be a strange way of waving off what I said.

DFO is incompetent. They continue to use model which history has shown is incapable of effectively managing fish stocks.

Incompetence in a government ministry? Surely you jest.

 

[Nuggler]

A few less gill nets by those "protectors of the land and water" might just result in a YEARLY increase of fish, stead of the 'fluke'.............good pun for sure.:smile:

Too much to hope for??:banghead:

 

[relic]

I heard,on CBC ,some "expert" from a BC university saying they should catch as many of these fish as they can to prevent over population !!!??? As soon as I hear "expert",I tune out,that usually means they can say npthing but make it sound important,

 

[Tonington]

There's no evidence that such "over-population" exists. It's only "over-population" in that DFO wants X amount of spawners, if there is any left-over, the native fishery will get it, and if there is any left-over from that, the rest of the fishery gets a take. That's hardly based on ecological principles. In fact there are hundreds of spawning populations that are now extinct. For many species, and in this case breeding populations, we don't know what the sustained population levels were before human harvesting, but it's inevitably higher than what we're accustomed to today.

Next year the numbers will be down. Hopefully when this year class makes it to the ocean, there will be more favourable temperatures and conditions, but it's obvious from the response this year is getting that there are many people out there who still labour under the false notion that we can continue to take and take and take without consequence.

 

[JLM]

You and the author of this piece have no idea what you're talking about. This years returns are a fluke (blessed by anomalously cold waters when the smolt runs migrated into sea water), and the spawning population which produced this year class would have been even smaller than it was if there were no government controls on the biomass the fishing industry can haul in.

If you have been living under a rock, greater unregulation means that fishing communities on the West Coast risk turning into the jobless communities dotting the South Coast of Newfoundland.

Surely you jest- how does cold waters equate to global warming? I think you are handing us a bunch of "who shot John" here. Anyway with this "windfall" (for the Gov't) they now have a good excuse to scrap the hideous H.S.T. :lol::lol:

 

[bill barilko]

You bunch are so clueless it's not even funny.

Note that I have volunteered for different Salmon conservation concerns for over 25 years now and have sportfished much longer.

You sit in your comfortable chairs pontificating about events thousands of miles way like you knew WTF was going on-you don't.

 

[JLM]

You bunch are so clueless it's not even funny.

Note that I have volunteered for different Salmon conservation concerns for over 25 years now and have sportfished much longer.

You sit in your comfortable chairs pontificating about events thousands of miles way like you knew WTF was going on-you don't.

Well, maybe you can inform us and show us our errors. :lol::lol::lol:

 

[gerryh]

You bunch are so clueless it's not even funny.

Note that I have volunteered for different Salmon conservation concerns for over 25 years now and have sportfished much longer.

You sit in your comfortable chairs pontificating about events thousands of miles way like you knew WTF was going on-you don't.

riiiight...... tonington doesn't have a clue what he's talking about...... hey Ton..... what was the degree you're goin ta school for?

 

[Tonington]

Surely you jest- how does cold waters equate to global warming?

Where did I say it did? I called the cold waters that the smolts encountered "anomalous", that is to say that in 2006 when they went into the Pacific, the waters were colder than normal, bucking the trend...

There has been persistent declines in the stocks, and one of those factors is temperature, which has been going up. Going up in both the fresh water and marine waters.

Please try to read the comments more carefully...

riiiight...... tonington doesn't have a clue what he's talking about...... hey Ton..... what was the degree you're goin ta school for?

Well, I'm actually graduated from the program now, got my Bachelor of Science in Aquaculture. Now I work for an "big bad pharmaceutical" in R&D for fish vaccines and parasiticides. For my honours thesis I investigated nutritional modulation of stressors in salmonids. And I've worked as a Fishery observer, as well as completed a practicum at a DFO biodiversity facility. We spawned salmon grouped by home rivers to rejuvenate the stocks. I also have built a few digger logs to resotre habitat on rivers impacted by human development.

No armchairs in any of those places!

But what the hell do I know ehh? It's so much easier to just casually write someone off without explaining anything. It also means the people you write off can't respond critically to anything you say.

Even with my aquaculture training, I'd rather see healthy stocks of wild fish. Aquaculture is adapting to the crisis we've implemented in our fisheries. Keeping stocks healthy would be mitigating, which means we don't need to farm the fish. I'm all for that, even though that really means fewer opportunities for the situation I find myself in at work...

 

[bill barilko]

Aquaculture is adapting to the crisis we've implemented in our fisheries.

Aquaculture of piscivorous species is not sustainable except in very limited small scale circumstances.

Keeping stocks healthy would be mitigating, which means we don't need to farm the fish. I'm all for that, even though that really means fewer opportunities for the situation I find myself in at work...

I find this hard to believe-perhaps the sun does shine out of you nether regions but once you have a family to support that will change.

Ever heard the term biostitute?

 

[Nuggler]

Aquaculture of piscivorous species is not sustainable except in very limited small scale circumstances.

I find this hard to believe-perhaps the sun does shine out of you nether regions but once you have a family to support that will change.

Ever heard the term biostitute?

Not that you need any help, Tonington, but I wouldn't be taking this kind of shyte from a newb ignoramus who obviously doesn't want to debate, but rather to question your qualifications and intelligence. I believe the term dickhead applies here.

Thinks he's got the handle because he's gone fishing........................boy o boy. For 25 years, too.

 

[Tonington]

Aquaculture of piscivorous species is not sustainable except in very limited small scale circumstances.

Not sustainable yet. Year by year the dietary matter that comes from wild harvested fish drops in aquaculture diets. And like I said already, I think most people, myself included, would rather have sustainable wild fisheries than to farm all the Chinooks or Coho or Sockeye or Pinks that the market demands.

I find this hard to believe-perhaps the sun does shine out of you nether regions but once you have a family to support that will change.

Well, for starters I don't intend to spend my working life making drugs. I have medium and long-term plans as well. One of which is to get more education, and hopefully one day study interactions between wild and farmed fish, especially the interactions involving pathogens and disease reservoirs.

Ever heard the term biostitute?

No. Sounds fishy to me, and not the good kind of fishy.

 

[gerryh]

You're right Nugg

definition of biostitute:

A biological sciences worker who misrepresents research or commits fraud for the benefit of commercial interests or to make a personal profit.
"She kept lecturing about the health benefits of red wine, but she was just being a biostitute for Gallo, who sponsored her research".

"He made 3 million Euros by publishing the health benefits of a worthless drug."