Russians pay a visit to Norway's oil facilities

[dancing-loon]

The stakes are raised as Russia threatens Norway's oil facilities!
Russia may soon be in a position to coerce Europe by interfering with oil supplies!
They came all decked out with the 66,600-tonne Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov and its 40 aircraft, escorted by two anti-submarine destroyers, a cruiser, and at least one nuclear attack submarine.
The target is Norway, one of Canada's NATO allies!!

Read here to find out what they really were up to:
http://www.macleans.ca/world/global/article.jsp?content=20080109_8640_8640

Don't you just love these attention-grabbing headlines?
It was just a friendly visit.

 

[darkbeaver]

The headlines are interesting in the study of western propaganda. Most of our well known publications are full of it. The entire message though is often laid down in the headlines themselves while the body of the text is used to reinforce the message carried in the headline.
Bad evil Russians, naval strike force used to bully freedom loveing Norwegians. While the foremost exponents of the same tactic the Russians are accused enjoy unquestioned acceptance. The American forces who routinely conduct murderous strikes from thier ships and have for decades get a completely free pass. We westerners have been propagandized so heavily as to the right of the armys of capitalism that it will take many years of education to reverse the notion that we engage in the benevolent delivery of freedom and democracy.

 

[Zzarchov]

You really think anyone believes we engage in the benevolent delivery of freedom and democracy? No strings attached?

Man, you ARE brainwashed.

 

[Unforgiven]

The headlines are interesting in the study of western propaganda. Most of our well known publications are full of it. The entire message though is often laid down in the headlines themselves while the body of the text is used to reinforce the message carried in the headline.
Bad evil Russians, naval strike force used to bully freedom loveing Norwegians. While the foremost exponents of the same tactic the Russians are accused enjoy unquestioned acceptance. The American forces who routinely conduct murderous strikes from thier ships and have for decades get a completely free pass. We westerners have been propagandized so heavily as to the right of the armys of capitalism that it will take many years of education to reverse the notion that we engage in the benevolent delivery of freedom and democracy.

You mean like in Iraq? Well is there really anything to question there comrade?

 

[darkbeaver]

You really think anyone believes we engage in the benevolent delivery of freedom and democracy? No strings attached?

Man, you ARE brainwashed.

Yes I know millions who think exactly that Zzarchov. They have faith in thier governments and the corporations that run them.

 

[lone wolf]

Read here to find out what they really were up to:
http://www.macleans.ca/world/global/article.jsp?content=20080109_8640_8640

Don't you just love these attention-grabbing headlines?
It was just a friendly visit.

:roll: Anything to sell a magazine....

Woof!

 

[dancing-loon]

Let's get past the headlines for a moment and consider the REASON of the Russian war maneuver right next to Norwegian oil rigs. Macleans speculates it has to do with things further north in the Barent Sea. Please, read this paragraph:

The answer may lie farther north in the Barents Sea, where Russia is sitting on the Shtokman field — "the world's largest offshore gas reserve," .....
In September, Putin announced a $20-billion investment by Russian energy giant Gazprom in Shtokman, with Norway's StatoilHydro company as a minority shareholder. But Statoil, which owns the Troll platform and most of the Gullfaks facilities harassed by the Kuznetsov, also has its own adjoining Barents Sea field, where, notes Jones, "there is a large, undeveloped, overlapping disputed area of roughly 15 per cent" of the combined area of both fields.

http://www.macleans.ca/world/global/article.jsp?content=20080109_8640_8640

So, Norways Statoil does not own this undeveloped area with the 15%, but owns an adjoining oilfield, which overlaps with the undeveloped piece.
The Russians would like to own this undeveloped piece as well, and are playing the strong man now to intimidate Norway.
Could that be the hidden reason for their war game exercise?

Going to page 2 in this article, this intimidation game is compared to a chess game!:smile: The Russians just moved a rook, not a pawn!!

It is part of a carefully calculated strategy of peripheral destabilization and the incremental return of Russian global power — at Europe's expense.

that sounds like a hint towards the famous tactics of the Americans, doesn't it?
I'll leave it at that for your own perusal!;-)

 

[lone wolf]

How is Russia the bad guy in eyeing up unclaimed seabed under international water? Which are the famous tactics - setting up shop or pointing fingers?

Woof!

 

[Zzarchov]

Yes I know millions who think exactly that Zzarchov. They have faith in thier governments and the corporations that run them.

Now you believe you know millions of people :\

 

[dancing-loon]

lone wolf;[/B]921700]How is Russia the bad guy in eyeing up unclaimed seabed under international water? Which are the famous tactics - setting up shop or pointing fingers?
Woof!

Famous tactic is destabilizing a country, like the US is good at. That's what I meant, little wolf!;-)
Now Macleans is pointing the finger at the Russians for trying to destabilize the ????!!!

No, I don't see Russia as the bad guy. I think it is good they take these "outings" and show us what they have and how good they are at maneuvering! Not too long ago it was a visit to England with their bombers, just as the Litvinenko case was heating up.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2093759.ece

 

[lone wolf]

Famous tactic is destabilizing a country, like the US is good at. That's what I meant, little wolf!;-)
Now Macleans is pointing the finger at the Russians for trying to destabilize the ????!!!

No, I don't see Russia as the bad guy. I think it is good they take these "outings" and show us what they have and how good they are at maneuvering! Not too long ago it was a visit to England with their bombers, just as the Litvinenko case was heating up.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2093759.ece

Another even more famous tactic, dear loon, is sensationalization of a non-event in order to sell an old adversary as a re-emerged one ... or to sell Canadian magazines to a newly worried US market.

Woof!

 

[dancing-loon]

Another even more famous tactic, dear loon, is sensationalization of a non-event in order to sell an old adversary as a re-emerged one ... or to sell Canadian magazines to a newly worried US market.

Woof!

Yes...
and still another tactic is to demonize someone you don't like = Saddam, Ahmadineshad and a bunch in Africa and Asia.

 

[lone wolf]

Yes...
and still another tactic is to demonize someone you don't like = Saddam, Ahmadineshad and a bunch in Africa and Asia.

Very true.... Until such a time as Russian Naval ships are actually doing something a bit more aggressive than playing in and out the oil derricks, I wouldn't go looking for belligerence. From there, Cold Wars get started - although a good one might do wonders for the stalled US economy....

Woof!

 

[dancing-loon]

Very true.... Until such a time as Russian Naval ships are actually doing something a bit more aggressive than playing in and out the oil derricks, I wouldn't go looking for belligerence. From there, Cold Wars get started - although a good one might do wonders for the stalled US economy....

Woof!

We are such an agreeable pair of animals!!!
Yes, another war, cold or hot, is good for something... I was told by someone here in the forum!

Good Night!

 

[Toro]

This isn't the problem. The problem is that something like 50%-60% of the natural gas consumed in Europe comes from Russia. A few years ago, Russia turned off gas exports to the Ukraine in winter for a few days over a contract dispute.

Its pretty clear that Putin has been using Gazprom to extend the power of the Russian state outside its borders. With so much of Europe dependent on Russian hydrocarbon exports, and decades away from being independent from it, it has come to the attention of Europeans that Russia now exercises more power over the continent than anyone foresaw a decade ago.