Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine, Senior Government Official Admits
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More like what a retard Colpy is, he is the one repeating the history of opening his mouth before his brain is engaged.
With Russia and the Ukraine both being from the former USSR this incident over the last few months and for the next few months should show us why the USSR was like it was. 20 years doesn't change people or nations so perhaps the cronies that just pulled a coup in the Ukraine were the ones pulling the strings back in the bad old days, you know like in 1933 and the massacre of millions. The Ukraine was killing it's own citizens rather than those bad old Russians who invaded and then killed them. It is certainly the ones in power today that seem hell bent on having a war. (fear and good judgment is the only thing holding them back)
I assume the lack of posting means it has been fully accepted that Crimea is now part of Russia. Now that the world knows the West is all words and any action they consider takes months to plan. That is the classic bully mentality.
Your papers Comrade.
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/...gime-with-russia-withdraw-from-moscow-led-cis
I assume the lack of posting means it has been fully accepted that Crimea is now part of Russia. Now that the world knows the West is all words and any action they consider takes months to plan. That is the classic bully mentality.
Your papers Comrade.
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/...gime-with-russia-withdraw-from-moscow-led-cis
I pretty much do.You may want to speak for yourself! -
Here I was trying to be plain old 'blunt'. First it's spelling now correcting the context, just no end to how helpful you are. I wasn't alive in 1938 either.
Here is the Ukraine leaving Crimea in the hands of the Russians and going 'home' with their tail between their legs.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/ukraine-in...isiting-ukraine-security-chief-173858969.html
KIEV (Reuters) - Ukraine on Wednesday proposed that Crimea, scene of a Russian-backed armed takeover, be declared a demilitarized zone by the United Nations with a pull-out by both Russian and Ukrainian forces.
"The Ukrainian government will immediately appeal to the United Nations to recognize Crimea as a demilitarized zone and take necessary measures for Russian forces to leave Crimea and prepare conditions for re-deployment of Ukrainian forces," security chief Andriy Parubiy said.
Parubiy told journalists that in the face of the growing likelihood of military confrontation with Russia the Ukrainian foreign ministry had been given the task of introducing visas for Russians visiting the ex-Soviet republic.
It isn't a trait I trained for, it is just me.
I'm impressed, I would not have gotten the spelling correct and yes I did check.
I'm not that convinced that anything thing in the '30's was good for anybody at the bottom of the social ladder.
There is even a point to my post. Obama has his thinking cap on today. Back-down and an apology, there maybe hope for the US after all except they just closed the Syrian embassy, so much for talking things out when military forec is an option that is higher than a 0% chance of succeeding.
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-diplomacy-obama-russia-949/
"There is a better path, but I think even the Ukrainians would acknowledge that for us to engage Russia militarily would not be appropriate and would not be good for Ukraine either.”
At the same time, Churkin told US ambassador to the UN Samantha Power to stop insulting Russia if Washington wants to see Russia’s future cooperation in the UN Security Council. During her speech, Power accused Russia of illegally annexing Crimea.
Power "dropped to the level of the tabloid press...it is simply unacceptable to listen to these insults addressed to our country,” he said.
While speaking abut the Crimean referendum, Churkin said that a historic injustice has been righted. "The people of Crimea made their choice, and this choice must be respected."
I read they already stamped out the new coin in Crimea and the borders are secure the fleet intact and there wern't any burning blocks of apartments or streets littered with bodies, all in a week, slam dunk, game over, all in accord with international law. Hope the rest of the former Ukraine won't become a blood bath and then a burnt out wreck like Iraq.
Well if Russia is showing her historic colors and good things are happening to those dealing with her then the rulers of Kiev should be the brutal dictators that the USSR is famous for. That is certainly the way it worked in Afghanistan in the mid to late 70's after the CIA started funding the hardliners after the Muslims in power had them on the ropes and the general population wanted they extinct.
Maybe Kiev will be the new Berlin.
http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/crimea-referendum-hidden-truth-behind-u-s-russia-rivalry/
Making Putin pay
By Marco Rubio, Published: March 19
Marco Rubio, a Republican from Florida, is a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
Vladimir Putin’s annexation of Crimea is a direct challenge and long-term threat to the post-World War II international order for which the United States and our allies have made great sacrifices over the past seven decades. If Putin is allowed to take land from a neighboring nation through deceit and raw military force without serious consequences, the precedent could have global repercussions, including in Asia.
Some have suggested that Crimea is not worth triggering tensions with Russia, given other interests that are more important. While it is best to avoid conflict whenever possible, history shows that illegitimate aggressions that go unchallenged are a virtual guarantee of even more dangerous conflict in the future.
Fortunately, Putin’s illegitimate actions have united the United States and its allies in the free world in opposition. But while the steps taken so far by President Obama and the United States’ European allies are welcome, they clearly will not be enough in the face of a determined Russian effort to forcibly redraw Europe’s borders. Putin’s annexation of Crimea must be met with immediate and meaningful consequences for his regime and those who benefit from it.
First, U.S. financial leverage toward Russia should be used to greater effect. U.S. visa and financial sanctions on Russian officials should be broadened to include Putin and his network of political and business allies. We should work with our partners in Europe to launch an asset-recovery program to identify the spoils of the Russian regime’s corruption, which often are hidden abroad.
Second, we need to diplomatically isolate Russia. Instead of just canceling one summit meeting or technical talks, Russia should be removed immediately from every international forum not essential to resolving this crisis, including the Group of Eight. The NATO-Russia Council should be dissolved. Russian cooperation on global strategic challenges should not be sought until the people of Crimea are given a free and fair opportunity to decide their fate without outside pressure.
Put simply, Russia should no longer be considered a responsible partner on any major international issue. The Russian people should see that Putin’s actions will bring about a decline of Russia’s status as a global power, not a return to supposed Soviet glory.
To this end, Obama should urge U.S. allies to impose an arms embargo on Russia. It is unconscionable that NATO allies would send arms to Moscow even as it violates Ukrainian sovereignty.
Third, I welcome the fact that Vice President Biden is in the region this week to bring a message of reassurance to our allies and partners. I hope those assurances include a specific and clear response to requests by Georgia and Ukraine for lethal military support from the United States. It is shameful that even as Russia attempts to carve up Ukrainian territory, Ukraine’s request for weapons, intelligence sharing and other assistance has been turned down by the Obama administration. We also need to deploy additional military assets and even U.S. personnel to our allies, including Poland and the Baltic states.
Fourth, the Russian invasion of Crimea should dispel the myth that closing NATO’s door to future allies would appease Russian aggression. We must make clear to all interested partners in Europe who wish to join NATO and meet the requirements that the alliance remains open for membership. The president should personally engage his counterparts in advance of the September NATO summit in Wales to ensure that the freeze on expansion is broken.
The president has sufficient tools at his disposal to do most of these things. But his hand would be strengthened if a united Congress gave him the necessary authority to follow through. That is why it was so ill-advised for the administration to push to include a series of controversial and unrelated International Monetary Fund reforms in a bill authorizing economic assistance for Ukraine and imposing sanctions. Instead of sending a clear signal that Congress is united behind the people of Ukraine and sanctions against Putin, it threatens to create unnecessary dissent over these unrelated measures.
I hope that events this week and Russia’s unrelenting aggression will lead Congress to move quickly next week to pass an assistance package to Ukraine and tough sanctions on Russia. Although I remain concerned by the proposed IMF reforms included in the legislation, the need to send a strong bipartisan message of solidarity to the people of Ukraine and a statement of resolve to Moscow far outweighs any misgivings I and others might have.
Marco Rubio: Making Putin pay - The Washington Post
Well, he'll never be president.
By Marco Rubio, Published: March 19
Marco Rubio, a Republican from Florida, is a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
Vladimir Putin’s annexation of Crimea is a direct challenge and long-term threat to the post-World War II international order for which the United States and our allies have made great sacrifices over the past seven decades. If Putin is allowed to take land from a neighboring nation through deceit and raw military force without serious consequences, the precedent could have global repercussions, including in Asia.
Some have suggested that Crimea is not worth triggering tensions with Russia, given other interests that are more important. While it is best to avoid conflict whenever possible, history shows that illegitimate aggressions that go unchallenged are a virtual guarantee of even more dangerous conflict in the future.
Fortunately, Putin’s illegitimate actions have united the United States and its allies in the free world in opposition. But while the steps taken so far by President Obama and the United States’ European allies are welcome, they clearly will not be enough in the face of a determined Russian effort to forcibly redraw Europe’s borders. Putin’s annexation of Crimea must be met with immediate and meaningful consequences for his regime and those who benefit from it.
First, U.S. financial leverage toward Russia should be used to greater effect. U.S. visa and financial sanctions on Russian officials should be broadened to include Putin and his network of political and business allies. We should work with our partners in Europe to launch an asset-recovery program to identify the spoils of the Russian regime’s corruption, which often are hidden abroad.
Second, we need to diplomatically isolate Russia. Instead of just canceling one summit meeting or technical talks, Russia should be removed immediately from every international forum not essential to resolving this crisis, including the Group of Eight. The NATO-Russia Council should be dissolved. Russian cooperation on global strategic challenges should not be sought until the people of Crimea are given a free and fair opportunity to decide their fate without outside pressure.
Put simply, Russia should no longer be considered a responsible partner on any major international issue. The Russian people should see that Putin’s actions will bring about a decline of Russia’s status as a global power, not a return to supposed Soviet glory.
To this end, Obama should urge U.S. allies to impose an arms embargo on Russia. It is unconscionable that NATO allies would send arms to Moscow even as it violates Ukrainian sovereignty.
Third, I welcome the fact that Vice President Biden is in the region this week to bring a message of reassurance to our allies and partners. I hope those assurances include a specific and clear response to requests by Georgia and Ukraine for lethal military support from the United States. It is shameful that even as Russia attempts to carve up Ukrainian territory, Ukraine’s request for weapons, intelligence sharing and other assistance has been turned down by the Obama administration. We also need to deploy additional military assets and even U.S. personnel to our allies, including Poland and the Baltic states.
Fourth, the Russian invasion of Crimea should dispel the myth that closing NATO’s door to future allies would appease Russian aggression. We must make clear to all interested partners in Europe who wish to join NATO and meet the requirements that the alliance remains open for membership. The president should personally engage his counterparts in advance of the September NATO summit in Wales to ensure that the freeze on expansion is broken.
The president has sufficient tools at his disposal to do most of these things. But his hand would be strengthened if a united Congress gave him the necessary authority to follow through. That is why it was so ill-advised for the administration to push to include a series of controversial and unrelated International Monetary Fund reforms in a bill authorizing economic assistance for Ukraine and imposing sanctions. Instead of sending a clear signal that Congress is united behind the people of Ukraine and sanctions against Putin, it threatens to create unnecessary dissent over these unrelated measures.
I hope that events this week and Russia’s unrelenting aggression will lead Congress to move quickly next week to pass an assistance package to Ukraine and tough sanctions on Russia. Although I remain concerned by the proposed IMF reforms included in the legislation, the need to send a strong bipartisan message of solidarity to the people of Ukraine and a statement of resolve to Moscow far outweighs any misgivings I and others might have.
Marco Rubio: Making Putin pay - The Washington Post
Well, he'll never be president.
Nothing better than the smell of fried hypocrites in the morning.
Now the sane summation of who is already the big loser.
Activist Post: More 'Mysterious Snipers' Responsible For Latest Ukraine Escalation?
In addition, The Independent also acknowledges that “there were indications that it was the separatist Crimean government’s recently created 'Self Defence Forces' who had actually carried out the fatal attack.”
The manner in which the assailants were dressed as well as the fact that the vehicle they arrived in was unmarked, seems to suggest a force other than Russian soldiers to blame for the incident. Russian military troops and their vehicles tend to be clearly marked as is the case with most military forces.
Evidence does suggest the possibility that these individuals could have been affiliated with local pro-Russian Self-Defense Forces. However, evidence also points to the distinct possibility that the confrontation was not initially intended to be a violent one from either side.
This is because there is information suggesting that the violence was not initiated by Russian forces, self-defense militias, or Ukrainian troops at all. Reports from both the Independent and BBC suggest that the culprits who both initiated the violence and were responsible for the death of one Ukrainian soldier and one pro-Russian militia member were actually unidentified snipers who fired from residential buildings.
Local officials have referred to these shooters as “fascist snipers” suggesting that Crimean authorities suspect them of having loyalty to the Western-backed regime in Kiev. These snipers allegedly fired at both Ukrainian troops and pro-Russian self-defense forces, creating casualties on both sides and triggering a string of violent events that led to the assault of the Ukrainian soldiers and the death of these two men.
Snipers firing indiscriminately into a crowd of demonstrators and police or otherwise highly charged situation for the purposes of creating violent confrontations and initiating destabilizations have been a factor in several of the latest Western-directed color revolutions and coup campaigns. For instance, Syria, Egypt, Iran, Venezuela, and now Ukraine have all experienced this phenomenon.
Crimea Referendum: the Hidden Truth Behind the U.S.-Russia Rivalry
Now the sane summation of who is already the big loser.
Activist Post: More 'Mysterious Snipers' Responsible For Latest Ukraine Escalation?
In addition, The Independent also acknowledges that “there were indications that it was the separatist Crimean government’s recently created 'Self Defence Forces' who had actually carried out the fatal attack.”
The manner in which the assailants were dressed as well as the fact that the vehicle they arrived in was unmarked, seems to suggest a force other than Russian soldiers to blame for the incident. Russian military troops and their vehicles tend to be clearly marked as is the case with most military forces.
Evidence does suggest the possibility that these individuals could have been affiliated with local pro-Russian Self-Defense Forces. However, evidence also points to the distinct possibility that the confrontation was not initially intended to be a violent one from either side.
This is because there is information suggesting that the violence was not initiated by Russian forces, self-defense militias, or Ukrainian troops at all. Reports from both the Independent and BBC suggest that the culprits who both initiated the violence and were responsible for the death of one Ukrainian soldier and one pro-Russian militia member were actually unidentified snipers who fired from residential buildings.
Local officials have referred to these shooters as “fascist snipers” suggesting that Crimean authorities suspect them of having loyalty to the Western-backed regime in Kiev. These snipers allegedly fired at both Ukrainian troops and pro-Russian self-defense forces, creating casualties on both sides and triggering a string of violent events that led to the assault of the Ukrainian soldiers and the death of these two men.
Snipers firing indiscriminately into a crowd of demonstrators and police or otherwise highly charged situation for the purposes of creating violent confrontations and initiating destabilizations have been a factor in several of the latest Western-directed color revolutions and coup campaigns. For instance, Syria, Egypt, Iran, Venezuela, and now Ukraine have all experienced this phenomenon.
Crimea Referendum: the Hidden Truth Behind the U.S.-Russia Rivalry
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