Royalty Miscalculation Cost Alberta Billions, Expert Says

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'The Tories chose to pretend the big blunder did not happen,'




The Alberta government has failed to collect nearly $2.5 billion per year in resource royalties since 2009 due to a major calculation blunder, according to Jim Roy, a private royalty expert who advises governments around the world.


As a consequence, the province has failed to collect $13 billion in the last five years, charges Roy, a former senior advisor for royalty policy for Alberta Energy.


That's not what Alberta's long-reigning government promised to voters in 2007.


After a controversial royalty review, the first one in a decade, premier Ed Stelmach told Albertans that the new formulas for calculating royalties would increase Alberta's ''fair share'' of hydrocarbon profits by $2 billion a year, beginning in 2009.


At the time Jim Prentice, then federal industry minister, supported the changes proposed by Stelmach.


But instead of increasing royalties by $2 billion a year, Alberta's ''fair share'' plummeted due to bad forecasting and major flaws in how the province collects natural gas and bitumen royalties, Roy said.


''Announcing a royalty increase and delivering a royalty decrease is difficult to explain to voters,'' Roy said. ''The Tories chose to pretend the big blunder did not happen. Nobody talks much about the government gifting the petroleum industry $13 billion.''



The management of Alberta's hydrocarbon income has become a significant election issue as the Tory government has posted a $5-billion deficit and raised taxes and cut services for ordinary Albertans.


Since 2009, natural gas revenue for the government has experienced the greatest losses. The new formula implemented in 2009 made the royalty rate much more sensitive to price, and the new formula substantially dropped royalties for unconventional resources such as shale gas.


''The government expected natural gas prices to rise, but instead they collapsed,'' Roy said. ''As a result, government earnings from natural gas dropped by $5 billion after 2009.''


Alberta has a low royalty rate for bitumen compared to rates in countries that have similar heavy oil resources. Alberta, for example, takes from 25 to 40 per cent of profit, equivalent to 10 per cent of gross revenue. In contrast, Venezuela, which also extracts heavy oil, takes 40 per cent of gross revenue -- four times as much as Alberta.


Saudi Arabia captures 85 per cent of profits from its oil fields, while Norway takes 80 per cent of profit -- both three times as much as Alberta, Roy said. ''Newfoundland/Hibernia takes 30 to 50 per cent of profit, plus 7.5 per cent of gross revenue or twice as much as Alberta.''

The royalty expert also argues that the province has failed to control the pace of bitumen development. As a result, industry has put too much bitumen on the market and that glut, in turn, has played a role in driving down global prices.






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The government and wild rose use the old fear trick and it appears not to be working.
The other parties are hitting back with economic accusations doesn't matter the PC
folks are not being trusted in large measure
This election is so far a nail biter for all and its good for democracy the government
has had it too easy for four decades.
I just wonder if the Tories lose and should the NDP win will this signal even more of a
change for the Federal Tories? That is an open question with a long time to wait for
the answer
 

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By in large, the NDP leader made a fool of herself during the televised debate. She showed, very clearly, that she has (at best) a limited understanding of the economics of this province.

Reading in the papers today, the NDP has support that is concentrated in urban centers, specifically Edmonton... The farther from Edmonton (geographically) the lower the support.

On May 5th we will see what happens, but if the accuracy of the polls are any indication, expect the PCs to retain yet another majority
 

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On May 5th we will see what happens, but if the accuracy of the polls are any indication, expect the PCs to retain yet another majority

308 aggregate polling results:




The OP is hilarious.... I had to read it twice to comprehend the backward and twisted logic upon which the allegations are made

backward logic? Twisted logic? It seems the author was very clear in where the (claimed) lost royalty monies can be attributed - see gas! See the shift in royalty formulas from a previous low-productivity formula to a current production sensitive royalty formula: the author provides a representative royalty calculation (2002 prior versus current 2012)...

 

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With just two days to go before the Alberta election the excitement is mounting, and so is the fear campaign.

With Jim Prentice and his Big Business posse trying to scare the people of that province into voting for them and not the NDP.

And today it was Big Oil's turn to try to rescue the crumbling Con dynasty, and threaten Albertans.




Cenovus CEO Brian Ferguson was the first to weigh in on Alberta's election campaign, pouring cold water on an NDP pledge to review the province's energy royalty system.

"I don't think there's any room for any increase in royalties," Ferguson told Bloomberg News. "If there are changes that make the structure uncompetitive, that will be negative for investment in Alberta."

Claim pathetically that Big Oil is too poor to pay more than the peanuts they pay now.

And remind everyone who really runs that province.

There was outrage from industry when former PC premier Ed Stelmach reviewed, then increased, royalty rates in 2007 after becoming premier. He caved to industry and reversed the change in 2010.



Oil CEOs weigh in on Alberta election - CBC News | Elections Alberta

 

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I'm sure the shareholders of the oil companies that ended up with the loot will be willing to return it to the Taxpayers of Alberta.
 

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I'm sure the shareholders of the oil companies that ended up with the loot will be willing to return it to the Taxpayers of Alberta.
whaaaaaa, what money...it didn't happen

lol
 

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308 aggregate polling results:

Pollsters have been pathetically wrong in the last 2 elections.... Once again, for the mentally impaired (*can you hear me in the back weirdo?) if the pollster's projections are any indication of the election results (read; inaccurate as per history), this will be another PC gvt

backward logic? Twisted logic? It seems the author was very clear in where the (claimed) lost royalty monies can be attributed - see gas! See the shift in royalty formulas from a previous low-productivity formula to a current production sensitive royalty formula: the author provides a representative royalty calculation (2002 prior versus current 2012)...

Yep, backward and twisted logic.... Parkland Institute (a renown leftie group of ecotards) have skewed the analysis to paint the picture they want as opposed to the reality of the royalty regime... Statement like this "There are other differences, but a full analysis would require access to well-by-well royalty records" are nothing short of a joke.

Royalty calculations are based on the nature of the commodity, the qulality of that commodity and boepd let alone the development incentive that caps royalties at a low rate while the developer recaptures their capital costs.

Parkland Institute has sold you a bill of goods and you, having no clue about the industry, have swallowed their pap hook, line and sinker.

Sadly, Parkland are also of the mind that Stelmach's proposal to increase royalties was legislated.... Looks like they are wrong again


I'm sure the shareholders of the oil companies that ended up with the loot will be willing to return it to the Taxpayers of Alberta.

Shareholders like the CPP, AIM, Pension Funds and Union Capital?

If you haven't already figured it out, every Canadian is heavily invested in the WCSB, especially the oilsands... You just haven't taken enough interest to realize this yet
 

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Pollsters have been pathetically wrong in the last 2 elections.... Once again, for the mentally impaired (*can you hear me in the back weirdo?) if the pollster's projections are any indication of the election results (read; inaccurate as per history), this will be another PC gvt


capStain, aren't you sensitive... to your own, as you say, mental impairment? I simply posted the most current poll results and projections... and didn't add 'word one' beyond that! You can measure your stated expectation of yet another PC majority against your polling accuracy reference. Again, why so sensitive capStain?

Yep, backward and twisted logic....


considering the author has nothing to do with the Parkland Institute... you sure put put a lot of 'anti-lefty' effort into your spiel... mentioning Parkland multiple times. Parkland acknowledges the author as:
"Jim Roy was Senior Advisor for Royalty Policy for Alberta Energy from 1985 to 1993. As president of Delta Royalty Consulting, he currently assists governments obtain value from natural resources. Clients include the governments of Afghanistan, Bolivia, Canada, Kenya, Pakistan, and several Canadian First Nations."
I don't read you addressing the particulars of the diminished royalty attributed to gas... where, with the change, gas went from providing 2/3 of total royalties to providing only 1/6 of total royalties; again:


 

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That is pretty wild. :)

They could be wrong.........Wildrose could flock to the PCs just to block the NDP, the NDP might not be able to get their voters out........

But it is still very very odd.

Anyone see a Wildrose/PC coalition coming after the election?

If it is a possibility, they should float it BEFORE the election......
 

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We heard the very same 'shocking' poll projections over the last 10 years... It might have meant something if the Dippers or Wild Rose had actually tabled something that made sense.

The PCs are the lesser of multiple evils and I believe that the public knows this
 

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Executives from some of Canada’s largest oil companies say Alberta Premier Rachel Notley is doing a better job engaging with the energy industry ahead of her NDP government’s royalty review than the previous review conducted under the Progressive Conservatives.


“The door, actually, compared with the last time we looked at a royalty review, seems to be much further open,” Husky Energy Inc. chief operating officer Rob Peabody said at an RBC Capital Markets conference Monday.


The last time the province conducted a review of the royalties charged to oil and gas companies was in 2007 under then-premier Ed Stelmach. Energy executives criticized that review by saying it was conducted with minimal industry consultation.


Notley confirmed last week that her government would begin a review of the province’s royalties within six months and plans to move ahead with the promises it made during the election campaign, including hiking corporate taxes from 10 to 12 per cent. The NDP took power on May 5 in a dramatic win over the long-ruling Progressive Conservatives.


“Since the party has been elected, the premier has actually made lots of constructive noises about wanting a very collaborative working relationship,” Peabody said during a panel discussion with executives from Suncor Energy Inc., Canadian Natural Resources Ltd. and Imperial Oil Ltd.


The panelists each took turns expressing measured support for the new left-leaning government, including CNRL’s executive vice-president Doug Proll, who denied an accusation his company had “come out punching” against the new government.


Last week, CNRL said it was postponing an investor open house as a result of uncertainty brought on by the NDP’s proposals — a statement the company has since attempted to clarify.


Proll said the NDP “promised a royalty review, which was strongly supported by the people of Alberta. As recently as last week as much as 65 per cent of the people were in favour of a review.”


“We’re not against that,” Proll said, adding his company wanted to better understand the NDP’s specific policy plans before it hosted an open-house that would detail long-term business plans.


Paul Masschelin, Imperial Oil’s senior vice-president of finance and administration, echoed many of Proll’s main points as he addressed the roomful of investors.


“I think one needs to look at the total package: Royalties is one facet of the interface between private enterprise and the government,” Masschelin said. Imperial Oil has said it is open to a discussion of all forms of the province’s energy policy.


Similarly, Suncor’s chief financial officer Alister Cowan gave the NDP credit for being “very focused on jobs and driving the economy forward” while looking to close “a fairly substantial deficit.”


“I’m confident that we’ll get the right solution, that we require, after this review,” Cowan said.






Oil execs say Notley more ‘collaborative’ than Conservative government in tackling royalties
 

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The OP is hilarious.... I had to read it twice to comprehend the backward and twisted logic upon which the allegations are made

Much like the twisted logic that claims taxpayers subsidize O&G.
I recall not too long ago there was a world bank or somesuch report about Canada that used the same logic. Goes a long way to explain why lefty governments have such a hard time with economic policy.
 

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This is the interest that is paid yearly to the World Bank by the US, we pay less but we still pay it and it increases every years. Why would 'they' want the total amount to come down, they would be robbing themselves. We fork over $25B a year for no reason other than to make them richer. Add the interest for all the Nations and that is not chump change and it explains why we are in a perpetual recession.

$192,769,531,880.68
 

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Over the last six fiscal years the oil sands have contributed an average of 10 per cent of revenues to provincial coffers. This makes oil sands royalties the fourth largest contributor behind personal income taxes (23 per cent), federal transfers (13 per cent) and corporate income taxes (11 per cent).

But how many Albertans really understand how the royalty system works? What do we mean when we say "royalty"? How does the Alberta Government calculate royalties on oil sands producers? If the system is going to change, it's important that Albertans understand how the current system works.

The School of Public Policy with author Sarah Dobson released a primer on royalties that will help Albertans to properly judge the impact of new policy, and gain a solid understanding of the current policy environment. According to Dobson "We all know that oil prices have dropped and oil sands producers are losing profitability. As such, changes to the royalty system could have a deep and profound impact on the sector".

Here are some of the issues this primer will study:


  • Pre-payout projects vs. post-payout projects, in other words, the classification of projects for royalty purposes based on whether the cumulative costs of a project exceed its cumulative revenues
  • Monthly payment of royalties vs. annual payment
  • Understanding the unit price of bitumen and how that price is applied
  • Gross vs. net revenues and the application of royalties
  • How the price of oil and the exchange rate between Canadian and U.S. dollars impact royalties
  • The historical and forecast contribution of oil sands royalties to Alberta's finances
Needless to say, a primer like this should be required reading for policymakers. It should also be required reading, however, for any Albertan who cares about the long-term benefit of the oil sands to Alberta's revenue, and our financial future as a province.



The papers can be downloaded at http://www.policyschool.ucalgary.ca/?q=research
 

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You would think Alberta would have built fluctuating oil markets into its tax plan Ling ago. Taxes high enough to cover low gas prices, with excess revenue minus a rainy day fund being returned as a tax credit at the end of each year. When gas prices are high, the credit would be bigger. But at least people would know not to depend on that credit. To be sure they don't depend on it, each yearly credit could go into a personal compulsory 7-year investment plan before it could be withdrawn, with the owner directing the investment but just not allowed to spend it at will. This way no one would make plans banking on a high credit at the end of a year.