Roe v. Wade overturned?

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OTTAWA — The abortion issue inevitably made its way on Parliament Hill, as Liberal and Bloc Quebecois MPs tried to score political points off the leaked draft of the U.S. Supreme Court decision that could overturn the Roe v. Wade ruling legalizing abortion in the United States.

Blah blah blah…Emotions have been running high since Politico revealed on Monday night that it had obtained a draft decision of the U.S. top court that would overturn the landmark 1973 ruling legalizing abortion nationwide. The chief justice has since confirmed the authenticity of the document and ordered an investigation into the leak, the first in the court’s 233-year history.

Tuesday morning, Conservative MPs were instructed not to comment on the matter by the leader of the official opposition’s office and those instructions were leaked to Canadian media outlets almost immediately.

“It would be inappropriate to comment on matters before the U.S. Courts. That is why Conservatives will not be commenting on the leaked opinions from the Supreme Court of the United States,” explained Conservative interim leader Candice Bergen in a statement.

Bergen is one of the 39 Conservative MPs who have received a “green light” (?) from the Campaign Life Coalition for her “pro-life” views, but she reiterated that the party’s position has not changed since the Harper government and would not reopen the debate.

“The only ones reopening this debate are the Liberals, and Justin Trudeau is once again using women’s reproductive rights to wedge and divide Canadians,” she said.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau hinted on Wednesday, not for the first time, that Canada might need abortion legislation … or maybe new abortion regulations … or maybe neither … or maybe something else. Not for the first time, it made little sense.

“A woman’s free choice is a choice to be made by her alone,” Trudeau declared before a Liberal caucus meeting. “Every woman in Canada has the right to a legal and safe abortion.” That’s true, legally speaking: Inasmuch as the law is silent on abortion, there is no legal impediment to a woman obtaining one. So what’s the problem?

Later in the day, Trudeau was asked if he was talking about amending the Canada Health Act, or regulations made thereunder, or about strong-arming provinces to increase access, or about making some kind of grander legislative statement. Quite clearly, the prime minister had no idea. “What I asked of (Health) Minister (Jean-Yves) Duclos and Minister (for Women Marci) Ien (was) to look at is the framework that governs abortion to ensure that everything is best placed to protect people,” he answered. “We’re going to see what (their) recommendations are.”

The smart money is on those recommendations coming to naught, once the immediate furore over the U.S. Supreme Court’s apparent intention to overturn Roe v. Wade dies down a bit. But there is definitely a chance, also, that Trudeau’s Liberals could blunder into a perfectly defensible legal status quo and make things worse.


The party has never had any compunction about shamelessly politicizing abortion, and then blaming the Conservatives for politicizing the issue (and usually getting away with it).


To wit, during Wednesday’s question period, when Conservative MP Michael Barrett asked Trudeau why Canada was lagging other countries in dropping vaccine mandates, Trudeau donned his coyest smirk and demanded Barrett express support for abortion rights. When politicians play silly buggers, things can occasionally get out of hand.

On the other hand, the SCOTUS decision might have a salutary effect of focusing Canadians’ minds on the real issues at hand, rather than on cartoonish predictions of the country turning into a dystopian misogynist nightmare.

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Canadian political reporters spend an inordinate amount of time peppering leaders with questions about abortion, knowing precisely the answer they’ll get: Some expression of slavish devotion to the status quo. That obsession would be far better satisfied holding the Liberal government to account for what Trudeau freely admits are wide gaps in access to abortion.

New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island have gotten bad press in recent years for holding out against more abortion access. But according to a Globe and Mail report this week, a safe abortion is more than a two-hour drive away from cities as large as Windsor, Ont., and more than a six-hour drive from significant northern communities like Thunder Bay, Ont. and Prince George, B.C.

Admittedly though Thunder Bay ON and Prince George BC are pretty much hours away from anything anyway but just the same I guess. Trudeau constantly identifies this as a problem, when pushed, and yet the sum total of his government’s efforts consists of $140,000 in healthcare transfers withheld from New Brunswick … which was then refunded as a token of pandemic goodwill. Not exactly draconian.

It would be far more productive to inquire of Trudeau why he hasn’t improved the situation more than to demand the Conservative leader du jour yet again pledge never to touch the debate.

But as for legislation, now wouldn’t just be a nonsensical time to intervene — nothing SCOTUS does affects any Canadian’s health-care rights!

As unique as Canada’s legal vacuum on abortion is, it’s actually quite elegant. (Indeed, our rights are often best protected when our governments have no interest in codifying them at all.)

It certainly reflects the dominant progressive view in Canada, which is that abortion is a medical procedure like any other, no matter at what point during a pregnancy it occurs. (You won’t find anything about splenectomies or kidney transplants in the Criminal Code either.) Some see all the difference in the world between an abortion at eight weeks and an abortion at 30. One doubts a fetus would appreciate the difference.

Defending that vacuum has always been an awkward stance for Liberals, even if they didn’t quite realize it. They tend to believe Canadians had no rights until Jean Chrétien wrote them all down and called it the Charter. We can’t just let rights exist out there in the wild; God knows what people might do with them. We must carve them into tablets and revere them!

And they’ve never really had to try to defend that status quo: The ostensible threat of social conservatives turning Canada into Alabama was enough. Logically or not, with Alabama and other states now free to limit abortion in their own image, that simplistic narrative might not be enough to get the Liberals through the day. They might just have to grow the hell up and manage the situation as it actually is, not as they imagine it to be.
 
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Just roll up with an AK47 and start taking out these protesters.. do they a few times across the USA and this shit will stop
Don’t go there , the National guard did that once and it wasn’t pretty ,
 

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Just roll up with an AK47 and start taking out these protesters.. do they a few times across the USA and this shit will stop
Don’t go there , the National guard did that once and it wasn’t pretty ,
Yeah, don’t go there, just have Justin/Jagnut crack out the Emergencies Act in LA and maybe these protestors will throw themselves under horses like they apparently did in Ottawa.
 

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And... there it is...


"“I just want to sort of level-set here first: This is a homicide statute,” said Ellie Schilling, a New Orleans-based attorney who represents abortion rights groups. “What this bill does is to specifically amend the crime of homicide and the crime of criminal battery to enable the state to charge people, including the pregnant mother, at any stage of fertilization.”"

Abortion is absolutely illegal in Louisiana. If it's signed into law by the Governor, how many other states will shift further into this kind of insanity?
So are the residents of Louisiana in favor of this? What is the local polling saying? Come Nov. what will the voters say when the elect the new Gov? I guess we'll see in 2023 when it is either voted in or out, that's what they do in democracies
 

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So are the residents of Louisiana in favor of this? What is the local polling saying? Come Nov. what will the voters say when the elect the new Gov? I guess we'll see in 2023 when it is either voted in or out, that's what they do in democracies

Republican's are pushing it.

Dem Governor may sign it.


"If the Louisiana bill passes the Republican-led House and Senate, it would head to Democratic Governor John Bell Edwards, who has supported antiabortion legislation in the past."

As for poll numbers, if you want to trust them: https://louisianaradionetwork.com/2...ge-of-democrats-who-are-pro-choice-increases/

Pretty much split.

Point is, it's passed committee, it's got a chance of going to the Gov's desk. And a chance of being signed.

Abortion will be illegal and the person who does it charged with homicide from the moment, well... the moment two people have a good night and one wiggler wins the race.

Maybe THIS can be the BS that leads to men being regulated against having sex unless they're temp neutered...
 

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Republican's are pushing it.

Dem Governor may sign it.


"If the Louisiana bill passes the Republican-led House and Senate, it would head to Democratic Governor John Bell Edwards, who has supported antiabortion legislation in the past."

As for poll numbers, if you want to trust them: https://louisianaradionetwork.com/2...ge-of-democrats-who-are-pro-choice-increases/

Pretty much split.

Point is, it's passed committee, it's got a chance of going to the Gov's desk. And a chance of being signed.

Abortion will be illegal and the person who does it charged with homicide from the moment, well... the moment two people have a good night and one wiggler wins the race.

Maybe THIS can be the BS that leads to men being regulated against having sex unless they're temp neutered...
So what does Louisiana have to do with you ?
 
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Republican's are pushing it.

Dem Governor may sign it.


"If the Louisiana bill passes the Republican-led House and Senate, it would head to Democratic Governor John Bell Edwards, who has supported antiabortion legislation in the past."

As for poll numbers, if you want to trust them: https://louisianaradionetwork.com/2...ge-of-democrats-who-are-pro-choice-increases/

Pretty much split.

Point is, it's passed committee, it's got a chance of going to the Gov's desk. And a chance of being signed.

Abortion will be illegal and the person who does it charged with homicide from the moment, well... the moment two people have a good night and one wiggler wins the race.

Maybe THIS can be the BS that leads to men being regulated against having sex unless they're temp neutered...
So it would seem the taxpayers are more inclined to be anti abortion then, like I said let the voters decide for their local opinion, no 1 size fits all in any country, even Canada the provinces decide health care
 
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So it would seem the taxpayers are more inclined to be anti abortion then, like I said let the voters decide for their local opinion, no 1 size fits all in any country, even Canada the provinces decide health care

Except in Canada, health care is a right.

In the US, it's not.

This points that out even moreso.

But the point was yes, now abortion is illegal. Totally. And again, if this passes into actual law, how long until other states follow its lead.

Don't want an abortion, don't get one.

But do NOT deny it to the people who do because that's NOT your business.

Yet if it's going to be...

Let's regulate men's bodies too. Time to either give men a temp snip soon as they are able to get it up to make babies, or regulate them somehow so that women won't have to worry about carrying all the burden of pregnancy.
 
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Not to belittle the issue as it is important, but this just seems like a whole lot of “If’s” & “maybe’s” on the US side, & a big “Nope!” on the Canadian side.

Now this is coming from a guy in his 50’s who opted out of the gene pool decades ago with a vasectomy to ensure there wouldn’t be any unwanted or unexpected pregnancies….so I don’t personally have a dog in this hunt at all (My girl has also had her plumbing modified for health reasons so we’re doubly out on this topic).

If…if Roe vs Wade falls, & if some of the US States decide to rule against abortion, others may or may not follow suite, so there would still be options I’m assuming though less convenient. Shitty but it’s their (America’s) choice to make.

Canada is a different country & a completely different political animal. The only ones that are going to try and drag this issue out north of the American border are the NDP/Liberals, & only to try to win political brownie points while deflecting away from their own embarrassing incompetence. Nobody wants to touch this thing with a 10 foot pool or a 10 m pole other than to demonize their competition.
 
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Not to belittle the issue as it is important, but this just seems like a whole lot of “If’s” & “maybe’s” on the US side, & a big “Nope!” on the Canadian side.

Now this is coming from a guy in his 50’s who opted out of the gene pool decades ago with a vasectomy to ensure there wouldn’t be any unwanted or unexpected pregnancies….so I don’t personally have a dog in this hunt at all (My girl has also had her plumbing modified for health reasons so we’re doubly out on this topic).

If…if Roe vs Wade falls, & if some of the US States decide to rule against abortion, others may or may not follow suite, so there would still be options I’m assuming though less convenient. Shitty but it’s their (America’s) choice to make.

Canada is a different country & a completely different political animal. The only ones that are going to try and drag this issue out north of the American border are the NDP/Liberals, & only to try to win political brownie points while deflecting away from their own embarrassing incompetence. Nobody wants to touch this thing with a 10 foot pool or a 10 m pole other than to demonize their competition.
Pretty much how I see it . Liberals have had plenty of opportunity to codify abortion since Morganteller .
 

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So it would seem the taxpayers are more inclined to be anti abortion then, like I said let the voters decide for their local opinion, no 1 size fits all in any country, even Canada the provinces decide health care
Would you say the same thing about racial segregation? Racial integration of public schools also violated "states' rights."
 

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Would you say the same thing about racial segregation? Racial integration of public schools also violated "states' rights."

Women's right to vote, since that was not 'enshrined' in the constitution when it was written...

The man that Alito quoted a lot was a real piece of work.
 

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Would you say the same thing about racial segregation? Racial integration of public schools also violated "states' rights."
Is that in the Roe v Wade verdict?

Women's right to vote, since that was not 'enshrined' in the constitution when it was written...

The man that Alito quoted a lot was a real piece of work.
It was voted in by Congress and enshrined into the bill of rights no?