Roe v. Wade overturned?

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Time to get real. Roe V. Wade being overturned is already threatening lives of women. If not already, it won't be long before they start dying. Stories are already coming out of women who were already in 'at risk' pregnancies being refused the abortion they NEED because of it being 'returned to the states' where the states - ignoring the health and welfare of women - have said "too bad, carry the dead baby, the malformed, the non-viable, the risk to your health". Here's the reality. I'm reposting this from a friend.

The author of the following wishes to remain anonymous. She is also spot on and it is high time we stop romanticizing pregnancy and child birth and look at it for what it is:

"I think it's culturally time for us to re-frame how we think about the uterus.

It's not a nurturing organ—it doesn't need to be. A fetus is frighteningly good at getting the resources it needs to nurture itself. If they are implanted anywhere other than the womb (most often the fallopian tube, but also sometimes the bladder, intestine, pelvic muscles and connective tissue, and the liver) placental cells will rip through a body, slaughtering everything in their path as they seek out arteries to slake their hunger for nutrients.

Fetal cells will happily grow in any of these places, digesting and puncturing tissue, paralyzing and enlarging arteries, raising blood pressure to feed itself more, faster; but it will be unable to be ejected. It's no coincidence that genes involved in embryonic development have been implicated in how cancer spreads.
Rather than a soft cozy nest, a womb is a fortress designed to protect the person from the developing cells inside them.

Because of our huge and (metabolically speaking) expensive brains, human fetal development requires unrestricted access to a parent's blood supply, which makes pregnancy (and miscarriage) incredibly dangerous for the carrier. The uterus has evolved to control and restrict whether placental cells can get that access, and to eject it before it develops enough to kill the host. THE FUNCTION OF THE WOMB IS TO PROTECT THE PARENT'S LIFE. The very structure of the womb very firmly prioritizes the life of the parent over the life of the fetus.

Even with modern medical care, at least 800 people die EVERY DAY from pregnancy (and childbirth-related causes). Among developed countries, the United States has one of the highest rates of maternal mortality in the world, and Texas has one of the highest rates within that. The rate is even higher when viewed among BIPOC only.

Pregnancy may be necessary for the continuation of the species, but it is not a joke. It is a life-threatening event, a parasitic attack on a human body; just one we have romanticized and been desensitized to.

The "miracle" of birth is that we have a protective organ designed to, if all goes well, let us survive it. It doesn't always go well. It is life or death. Someone who chooses to get pregnant, stay pregnant, and carry a fetus to delivery is legitimately choosing to risk their life to do it. Nobody else has the right to make anyone do that, and nobody should be punished or vilified for not wanting to do it. Forcing someone to carry a pregnancy, ANY pregnancy, is attempted murder."

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An example of women's lives at risk.

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Serryah said:
Time to get real. Roe V. Wade being overturned is already threatening lives of women. If not already, it won't be long before they start dying. Stories are already coming out of women who were already in 'at risk' pregnancies being refused the abortion they NEED because of it being 'returned to the states' where the states - ignoring the health and welfare of women - have said "too bad, carry the dead baby, the malformed, the non-viable, the risk to your health". Here's the reality. I'm reposting this from a friend.

The author of the following wishes to remain anonymous. She is also spot on and it is high time we stop romanticizing pregnancy and child birth and look at it for what it is:

"I think it's culturally time for us to re-frame how we think about the uterus.

It's not a nurturing organ—it doesn't need to be. A fetus is frighteningly good at getting the resources it needs to nurture itself. If they are implanted anywhere other than the womb (most often the fallopian tube, but also sometimes the bladder, intestine, pelvic muscles and connective tissue, and the liver) placental cells will rip through a body, slaughtering everything in their path as they seek out arteries to slake their hunger for nutrients.

Fetal cells will happily grow in any of these places, digesting and puncturing tissue, paralyzing and enlarging arteries, raising blood pressure to feed itself more, faster; but it will be unable to be ejected. It's no coincidence that genes involved in embryonic development have been implicated in how cancer spreads.
Rather than a soft cozy nest, a womb is a fortress designed to protect the person from the developing cells inside them.

Because of our huge and (metabolically speaking) expensive brains, human fetal development requires unrestricted access to a parent's blood supply, which makes pregnancy (and miscarriage) incredibly dangerous for the carrier. The uterus has evolved to control and restrict whether placental cells can get that access, and to eject it before it develops enough to kill the host. THE FUNCTION OF THE WOMB IS TO PROTECT THE PARENT'S LIFE. The very structure of the womb very firmly prioritizes the life of the parent over the life of the fetus.

Even with modern medical care, at least 800 people die EVERY DAY from pregnancy (and childbirth-related causes). Among developed countries, the United States has one of the highest rates of maternal mortality in the world, and Texas has one of the highest rates within that. The rate is even higher when viewed among BIPOC only.

Pregnancy may be necessary for the continuation of the species, but it is not a joke. It is a life-threatening event, a parasitic attack on a human body; just one we have romanticized and been desensitized to.

The "miracle" of birth is that we have a protective organ designed to, if all goes well, let us survive it. It doesn't always go well. It is life or death. Someone who chooses to get pregnant, stay pregnant, and carry a fetus to delivery is legitimately choosing to risk their life to do it. Nobody else has the right to make anyone do that, and nobody should be punished or vilified for not wanting to do it. Forcing someone to carry a pregnancy, ANY pregnancy, is attempted murder."

—Anonymous


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Great maybe let the EU know as most European Countries have more onerous abortion regulations .
 
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Serryah said:
Time to get real. Roe V. Wade being overturned is already threatening lives of women. If not already, it won't be long before they start dying. Stories are already coming out of women who were already in 'at risk' pregnancies being refused the abortion they NEED because of it being 'returned to the states' where the states - ignoring the health and welfare of women - have said "too bad, carry the dead baby, the malformed, the non-viable, the risk to your health". Here's the reality. I'm reposting this from a friend.

The author of the following wishes to remain anonymous. She is also spot on and it is high time we stop romanticizing pregnancy and child birth and look at it for what it is:

"I think it's culturally time for us to re-frame how we think about the uterus.

It's not a nurturing organ—it doesn't need to be. A fetus is frighteningly good at getting the resources it needs to nurture itself. If they are implanted anywhere other than the womb (most often the fallopian tube, but also sometimes the bladder, intestine, pelvic muscles and connective tissue, and the liver) placental cells will rip through a body, slaughtering everything in their path as they seek out arteries to slake their hunger for nutrients.

Fetal cells will happily grow in any of these places, digesting and puncturing tissue, paralyzing and enlarging arteries, raising blood pressure to feed itself more, faster; but it will be unable to be ejected. It's no coincidence that genes involved in embryonic development have been implicated in how cancer spreads.
Rather than a soft cozy nest, a womb is a fortress designed to protect the person from the developing cells inside them.

Because of our huge and (metabolically speaking) expensive brains, human fetal development requires unrestricted access to a parent's blood supply, which makes pregnancy (and miscarriage) incredibly dangerous for the carrier. The uterus has evolved to control and restrict whether placental cells can get that access, and to eject it before it develops enough to kill the host. THE FUNCTION OF THE WOMB IS TO PROTECT THE PARENT'S LIFE. The very structure of the womb very firmly prioritizes the life of the parent over the life of the fetus.

Even with modern medical care, at least 800 people die EVERY DAY from pregnancy (and childbirth-related causes). Among developed countries, the United States has one of the highest rates of maternal mortality in the world, and Texas has one of the highest rates within that. The rate is even higher when viewed among BIPOC only.

Pregnancy may be necessary for the continuation of the species, but it is not a joke. It is a life-threatening event, a parasitic attack on a human body; just one we have romanticized and been desensitized to.

The "miracle" of birth is that we have a protective organ designed to, if all goes well, let us survive it. It doesn't always go well. It is life or death. Someone who chooses to get pregnant, stay pregnant, and carry a fetus to delivery is legitimately choosing to risk their life to do it. Nobody else has the right to make anyone do that, and nobody should be punished or vilified for not wanting to do it. Forcing someone to carry a pregnancy, ANY pregnancy, is attempted murder."

—Anonymous


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With that many dying daily one would think the left would ban pregnancies.
 
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Interesting, as the person who wrote this is an adoptee.

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Also, GOOD question.

I figure it's because men feel they're entitled to sex but not the consequences. Cause "Well she..." ALWAYS is the reply when responsibility of men comes up.
 
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An interesting story. https://www.facebook.com/jeremiahvance

Posted on his FB on June 29.

A true story of how a child of the Religious Right became Pro-Choice in Seminary:

I was raised in an evangelical republican home with parents that voted for Richard Nixon twice and were in love with Ronald Reagan and the whole religious right homeschool culture. It was a one voter issue home, abortion, and my parents listened to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity daily.

I was raised in the epicenter of evangelical purity culture in the Bible belt and I was a good Sunday school student too. Since my parents were Bible college and Seminary graduates, I always knew more Bible even than the Sunday school teachers and pastors. My father taught me New Testament Greek when I was six.
Like a good Sunday school student I drank all the koolaid too. I bought the whole system, hook line and sinker. I went to Bible College and remember telling my first semester theology prof that I knew what we believed and I came to study why we believe what we believe. He rightly, went on to correct me, on what is a misguided motive for study at a Bible College, but that would be a digression.

It was in Seminary that I discovered that I had been lied to both by purity culture and also anti-abortion dogma. My first crack in the egg shell of purity culture was when my Hebrew professor took a whole class to teach us that in the Hebrew version of the story, Ruth and Boaz had premarital sex. But again, that is a digression.

It was in theology of anthropology that I first saw through the anti-abortion dogma. My theology professor had invited in the president of the most prominent prolife organization in America in, to talk to the class about abortion.

My whole life I had always been indoctrinated to think life happens at conception and we are 100% certain of that. People even treat that dogma with more conviction of certainty than they treat the resurrection of Christ. I believed it too.

But when the guest speaker was asked, when does science say life begins, he answered with candor, that science can't determine the exact point where life begins. He admitted to the class we don't know when for sure. He went on to say to the class that the prolife position was in fact no longer that life happened at conception. He said advancements in cloning has made this an indefensible position. Any cell in your body can be used to create a whole new you. Therefore one embryonic cell can not be a person. He said, the prolife position has changed from life at conception to life at cell division, from one to two cells.

Now he thought this was a cute slight of hand. But for a boy who had grown up on right wing prolife koolaid, with life at conception as a rallying cry of dogma, the implications of this were penetrating.

If he admits that science can't tell for sure that life happens at conception. And he admits, we just changed the whole thing we told everyone was sacrosanct, then to me, they were just guessing and didn't know what they were talking about.

After Seminary I went into medicine as a board certified surgical neurophysiologist. I read EEG activity for a living. It moved from an ethereal conversation to one of actual consequence. EEG activity matters. I do a job where, I know that if I tell the surgeon I'm assisting, that the patient has gone isoelectric, they will stop life support and call time of death. It is accepted without question based on years of neurodiagnostic studies that when the brain dies, the person is dead, regardless of a working circulatory system. The circulatory system can be prolonged after brain death, therefore a circulatory pulse is not alone indicative of life. We stop life support at brain death without attribution of moral guilt for murder. Because we know the person is no longer alive.

Convienently, EEG activity is the same standard used in NICU to save a premature delivery and usually not before 20 weeks because 20-22 weeks is the gestational development of EEG activity. No brain, no life.

And this is the actual development of gestation. Life cannot begin at conception. It's a physiological impossibility:

Many fertilized eggs do not have compatible DNA and RNA and do not form a cell. Many formed cells do not divide. Many dividing cells do not implant in the uterus and are ectopic or uterine septic. Many implanted embryos do not develop EEG activity and are stillborn. At no point in this gestational development is an embryo alive. Incompatible DNA and RNA do not make a person. One cell that doesn't divide doesn't make a person. A dividing cell that never implants isn't a person. An implanted embryo with no central nervous system is not a person. No EEG activity, no life. For adults too. These are just medical facts.
Then I researched, for myself, as an 8 year college and grad school trained Bible professional, what the Bible and religious tradition actually teaches on abortion. I found that the Bible explicitly condones a potion induced abortion in the context of questioned paternity in Numbers 5:22. Don't bother trying to say this isn't about an abortion. I've spent hours on this one verse in Hebrew because of social media arguments alone. It is 100% a condoned abortion. This is supported by scholarship and Jewish tradition. The Bible also says 3x specifically that aborted embryos were never living people, Job 3:16; Eccl 6:3-5; Ps 58:8. And that's why in Jewish tradition, for the first 40 days the embryo is considered nothing more than fluid and grants abortion as a reproductive right.

The Bible actually describes a two stage process in both Genesis 2:7 and Ezekiel 37. First the matter is formed. Then secondarily the matter is animated with the breath of God. Aincent Mesopotamian studies show the context for this is called an "Open Mouth Ceremony." Which describes the stage of animation by the spirit of God, and then personhood, as a secondary subsequently developing stage of gestation. It would seem then that the Biblical context is actually very consistent with modern medicine determining life animating at a secondary stage of gestational development, at around 20 weeks, that is discernable with active EEG activity.
I also searched christian tradition. I discovered that there was no big argument over life at conception. It was perfectly acceptable in Christian tradition to believe life did not begin at conception. In fact, it was the Christian position to be pro choice and pro reproductive freedom before the 1970s.

Much has been published on this now. Whistle blowers that contributed have come forward and given testimony. On how segregationists in the southern evangelical right could no longer dog whistle their base with a race baiting narrative so they invented this idea that abortion is murder as propaganda to raise political donations and support. People actually had actual meetings where this was planned and discussed as a grift of propoganda. People that were there and contributed, but have since regretted their actions have told the story. The roots of racism in the prolife movement is actually well documented.

As a health care professional, the medical privilege you have with your doctor is perhaps the most sacrosanct right you possibly possess. It's literally more important than attorney-client or priest-parishoner or husband-wife. Nobody gets to tell anyone what's right for their body but their doctor. And nobody gets to make anyone practice someone else's religious beliefs.

As a theologian, I don't believe in a God that would make miscarried or aborted fetuses alive people only to have them die in their sins without the opportunity for faith in Christ. It seems weird to say that but, most all women will have a miscarriage in their life. So it's not a small matter. Where do aborted babies go when they die? The Bible is clear, the wages of sin is death. So if they were alive and then dead, it was a wage of sin that they died in. My God doesn't make miscarried or aborted embryos alive. My God isn't condemning millions of aborted embryos to an eternity of death as a wage of sin.

If you say that aborted babies go to heaven, then abortion could be logically argued to even be a grace that prevents them from a potential life of sin that could condemn their soul.

Scientifically, Theologically, Biblically, I came to believe what are just the facts. Prolife propoganda was invented by segregationists in the 1970s and it is soundly contradicted by rational thought and factual education. Abortion isn't immoral. Sperm is not some kind of incurable virus. Abortion isn't murder. And the idea of taking away someone's medical privilege for anything in the world is just slavery. You don't even get to take a kidney from a dead corpse to save an adult human without consent. Medical privilege IS a God given human right that is in fact protected by the US Constitution.
 
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Not without serious medical intervention. If the heart can't beat on its own, it is not alive. The same pretty much holds true at the end of life. It has only been the last couple of generations where we have had the technology to keep people alive artificially.
 
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Not without serious medical intervention. If the heart can't beat on its own, it is not alive. The same pretty much holds true at the end of life. It has only been the last couple of generations where we have had the technology to keep people alive artificially.
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The irony is medical intervention is still a 'choice' that a woman makes.

So one choice is okay the other is not?
 
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