Rob Ford captured on new video stumbling, swearing outside city hall
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Actually we are talking about two different things here. But we should get a couple of things straight.............We know Ford drinks from time to time quite often making a fool of himself. What we don't know is if he is an alcoholic. Same with the drugs, we don't know that he's addicted. The point I was trying to make is basically what you see is what you get, he's not particularly sneaky. What you call lying, he may considers the answer is no one's business. Actually it can be argued that he does support kids as he was active in their sports. Ford has enough bad points with scraping up more.
This should be in purple right? You can't possibly be serious? He drinks from time to time? He might not be an alcoholic? He might not be addicted?
We are speaking here of a public figure. One who is supposed to govern a city not some guy who works on a factory line....who by the way would have had his azz fired for this type of behavior.
He's not sneaky?...he is a fuking liar...... sneaky... sneaky would be a step up. You think people need to scrape up more points against him??????????????? WTF....he hands the points to people...you have lost your mind about this guy. You have defended him from the get go. There is no defending him. It just sounds lame.
If he was your son I could understand the emotional attachment and demonstrated blindness but otherwise...I don't get it.
Whatever your definition of our business is, he lies at every level. During his trip to LA, he claimed he was there to promote the film industry in Toronto, though nobody from the Toronto Film Office had any idea he was doing this. He didn't meet with anyone regarding the film industry.
He portrays himself as an average guy, but he has million of dollars in family money and never worked for anyone other than his dad.
The whole football thing is nice, but his job as mayor is larger than just his personal football team. He couldn't even keep that above board since he constantly used his office staff and budget to fund his personal team, and was eventually fired for making constant derogatory comments about the kids on his team. His attitude was to always belittle them and then portray himself as their saviour. Meanwhile, he routinely voted against evidenced based programs that support kids city wide.
I didn't say anything about being a drug addict. I said he lied about his drug use, which is an objective fact at this point. To make matters worse, not only did he lie about it, but he attacked the professional credibility of all of the people who reported the truth. Attacking others to protect yourself is a low as it gets.
When it comes to alcohol, we have seen very clearly that he has a problem with alcohol. He said he wanted to stop drinking, but he couldn't stop. At the most basic level, we know that when he drinks it causes a lot of negative things for him, yet he continues to do so.
We know from the police surveillance that he is actually very sneaky. He had meetings with criminals in parking lots and had criminals perform dead drops in his car. He just lies and lies and lies until he is caught, then says it doesn't matter.
facts...no the facts are clear JLM... this has nothing to do with emotion. The only emotion I now see about Rob is people limping along trying to defend despicable public behaviour or choosing to ignore what it truly means.
How people view the facts is an individual choice. If he were working for you I'm certain those facts would be crystal clear.
lol... it's a soooooong
drinkers gonna drink....drug addicts gonna sniff....
OK Sal, you've convinced me. I've always known he's not acting as befits a mayor of a few million people, I just didn't want to denigrate a man who needs help. Apparently quite a few people speak quite highly of him, who know him a lot better than I do. I trust you wisdom. -
Ok you and Sal have me convinced. I'll remove him from my list of people recommended for Mayor of Toronto!
OK Sal, you've convinced me. I've always known he's not acting as befits a mayor of a few million people, I just didn't want to denigrate a man who needs help. Apparently quite a few people speak quite highly of him, who know him a lot better than I do. I trust you wisdom. -
Ok you and Sal have me convinced. I'll remove him from my list of people recommended for Mayor of Toronto!
He is taking support from others on the right - Chow could have cakewalk in the election. Hail NDP.
I don't know who these "quite a few people are"... anyone who is anybody has moved on in order to salvage their career. No one is denigrating him more than he has denigrated and abused himself. There is a point when supporting someone's behaviour is nothing more than enabling. Many people enabled Ford for far too long. That is it's own problem both for him and the people who did it. If you want to know who really supports him...look for the agenda or lack there of.OK Sal, you've convinced me. I've always known he's not acting as befits a mayor of a few million people, I just didn't want to denigrate a man who needs help. Apparently quite a few people speak quite highly of him, who know him a lot better than I do. I trust you wisdom. -
Ask yourself this...who would want such a person at the helm? Who?
Most people were very supportive of him keeping his job, but taking some time away to get help. At a certain point, if he wont accept help he at least has to be prevented from hurting everyone else.
Apparently quite a few people speak quite highly of him, who know him a lot better than I do. I trust you wisdom. -
He seems very good at going out and getting small things fixed for individuals, so that has ingratiated him with a lot of people.
Pretty much everyone who has had to work with him to get actual mayoral work done has left his side though. He is a deeply dysfunctional person who really is incapable of handling higher level stuff expected of the mayor.