Right Wing Bigotry From Alberta

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Reverend Blair

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When the reform party started, you all said it was extreme, and in some ways it was.

In some ways? In every way anybody can think of. Radically Christian, racist, homophobic, xenophonic, against every social program that ever existed, against evolution. The problem is that they haven't changed. At their core they are the same bunch of radicals they always were. They just try to hide it now.



There was virtually no difference between the Clark PC's and the Liberals, thus they became irrelevant.

Actually the PCs were done in by the failed policies and corruption of the Mulroney regime. You embrace very similar policies and Mulroney advises Harper, where it used to be the other way around.

So the reform became the alliance became the current Conservatives.

So ashamed of their past that they kept changing their name in a effort to fool people.

Are they now more moderate?

No. They do try to hide it now though.



The reform party opposed all same sex unions, the conservatives support same sex unions.

The Conservatives only agreed to same-sex unions when it became apparent that NOBODY but racists and homophobes would support their old position. The new one is still an expression of bigotry, keeping gays and lesbians just a little less equal than the rest of us. It is also a refusal by the Conservatives to separate their religion from our government.

The reform opposed abortion, the conservatives support the current legislation, or status quo.

That's not exactly true, is it? At the convention they voted not to oppose the status quo, not to support it. Those are two far different things. There was a movement within the party almost immediately to overturn even that little bit chicanery because so many of the members from the west weren't at the convention.

The reform party opposed a lot of immigration policies, the conservatives support immigration based on numerous thing, including race.

The Conservatives support racial profiling. They want to limit refugees even further. They support increased immigration from Europe and less from the developing world.

Those are all radical right philosphies.

Their economic policies are neo-conservative ones...radical by definition. Those policies have also been failing dramatically in the US.

Have the conservatives moved to the left?

No, they have tried to appear as if they have become more moderate. The fact is that the main players have remained the same and like tigers, have not changed their stripes.

However, in your viewpoint from what I consider to be the extreme left,

You have no idea what the extreme left is. You even try to paint Paul Martin as a leftist. Real leftists find that insulting.



but thankfully, only about 15% of the population agrees with your viewpoint and NDP policies as noted in recent polls.

Actually, the polls show us to be around 20% and gaining ground even as you lose it. Those are polls asking who people will vote for though. Polls that have been strictly about NDP policy...done blindly without mentioning any party...show that NDP policies are approved of by between 40% and 60% of Canadians.

If you want to contine to tacitly support the corruption and sleaze of the current government by running down the only viable alternative for government in this country, so be it.

The Conservatives are not a viable alternative for this country. There is no evidence that they would be any less corrupt than the Liberals. They have proposed no policies that would keep them from acting in a corrupt manner. They have shown themselves to be corrupt in the past.

If you think you can win an election by concentrating on a scandal you are sadly mistaken.

You have mentioned on numerous occasions that Mulroney was corrupt, something I don't accept, but what the hey.

I've pointed out the corruption of his government many times. He didn't end up with MPs doing weekends in prison by running a clean ship. Go buy a book called On the Take. It details the corruption quite nicely.


BTW, I did not vote for the conservatives in 1993 either.

But you supported Mulroney through two corrupt terms while he auctioned Canada off to the lowest bidder and ran the debt up to the point he almost bankrupted us.

This post was not a slam post, there are no insults, intentional or implied, just my thoughts on some issues.

No insults from me either. Just facts.
 

badboy

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Reverend Blair said:
Actually, the polls show us to be around 20% and gaining ground even as you lose it. Those are polls asking who people will vote for though. Polls that have been strictly about NDP policy...done blindly without mentioning any party...show that NDP policies are approved of by between 40% and 60% of Canadians.

No matter how much you post about them , dream and cry they are not getting more then 3-6 seats more thats it, thats all.

Now get back to earth.
 

no1important

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The conservatives have moved further right since Harper got in. He sure backed himself into a corner with his lust for power and threatning to topple government.

I wonder why if the conservatives are so great how come Ralphie went from 74 to 61 seats? How come only 47.05 % of vote. The libs went from 7 to 17 seats and NDP doubled from 2 to 4 seats. Seems to me conservative support is not what it once was in Alberta.

The conservatives Klein and Harper operate on fear mongering, lies and untruth's. They mislead the public on things like ssm and kyoto.
 

Reverend Blair

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Alberta is going to be an interesting place over the next twenty years or so, No 1. The population is growing and large population centres are always more Liberal. There are also a lot of people moving in from decidedly non-conservative areas.

As that demographic changes, Alberta conservativs are likely to become increasingly bitter.

Badboy...are you willing to put fifty bucks on those numbers? If the NDP gets more than 6 seats in the next federal election you'll pay up?
 

badboy

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Reverend Blair said:
Alberta is going to be an interesting place over the next twenty years or so, No 1. The population is growing and large population centres are always more Liberal. There are also a lot of people moving in from decidedly non-conservative areas.

As that demographic changes, Alberta conservativs are likely to become increasingly bitter.

Badboy...are you willing to put fifty bucks on those numbers? If the NDP gets more than 6 seats in the next federal election you'll pay up?

sure , as long as you admit your Vanni Fucci to everybody when you lose. oops did i let the cat out of the bag.
 

Dervish_Khan

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No matter how much the federal government tries to portray a rosy and colourful image of Canada, racism, anti-immigration, intolerance, and bigotry are still very much present in Canada, with Alberta topping the chart. :eek:
 

Said1

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Dervish_Khan said:
No matter how much the federal government tries to portray a rosy and colourful image of Canada, racism, anti-immigration, intolerance, and bigotry are still very much present in Canada, with Alberta topping the chart. :eek:

I haven't been back to Calgary in years, but your statement is accurate based on 12yrs of living there. Does anyone remember Ralphie's "Eastern creeps and bumbs" campaigne platform years ago? Has that mentality changed? I mean they didn't like other Canadians, let alone feriners.
 

Reverend Blair

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Rev is Vanni? My, what strange games people play. Seems a bit pointless to me.

Me too. I use the same name everywhere on the internet. That way people know who they are dealing with.

No matter how much the federal government tries to portray a rosy and colourful image of Canada, racism, anti-immigration, intolerance, and bigotry are still very much present in Canada, with Alberta topping the chart.

Yes.

I haven't been back to Calgary in years, but your statement is accurate based on 12yrs of living there. Does anyone remember Ralphie's "Eastern creeps and bumbs" campaigne platform years ago?

I remember it well.

Has that mentality changed?

It is beginning to, but not within the conservative side of the political spectrum. The beginnings are more evident in the increasing number of those in centre and on the left of the political spectrum.
 

Said1

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Reverend Blair said:
I remember it well.

Has that mentality changed?

It is beginning to, but not within the conservative side of the political spectrum. The beginnings are more evident in the increasing number of those in centre and on the left of the political spectrum.

I hope you're right. I miss Calgary tremendously, but I don't think I'd fit in there anymore - I speak french now you know. :D
Living there was my first taste of what's it's like to be an immigrant and I'll never forget that as long as I live. I apply that experience in relation to all new Canadian's, and it really give me a different persepective when I think about what their stuggles here must be like.

I also brought Klein's remarks up often when encountering Westerners who came to Ottawa in droves during the high tech boom - jokingly of course! I would never start trouble. :D
 

Reverend Blair

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It will be slow, but if Alberta keeps growing the way it is, it will shift left. I'm guessing at a couple of decades.

That has been an historic trend for a very long time. Get a lot of people together, especially a lot of immigrants, and the political spectrum shifts left.
 

Numure

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Re: RE: Right Wing Bigotry Fr

Reverend Blair said:
It will be slow, but if Alberta keeps growing the way it is, it will shift left. I'm guessing at a couple of decades.

That has been an historic trend for a very long time. Get a lot of people together, especially a lot of immigrants, and the political spectrum shifts left.

Doesnt even have to be immigrants. Just alot of people together and the trends shift left...
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Right Wing Bigotry Fr

By immigrants I don't necessarily mean people from other countries, but people who have moved there from other provinces, Numure.

Alberta's conservatism is really based on its history...especially since Leduc and then the NEP. Bringing in people who do not share that history changes the politics. We've seen some of that already, I think. Klein was down considerably in the last election.

There is still a long way to go before it has a real effect though. That's why I think it will take a couple of decades.
 

bluealberta

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no1important said:
The conservatives have moved further right since Harper got in. He sure backed himself into a corner with his lust for power and threatning to topple government.

I wonder why if the conservatives are so great how come Ralphie went from 74 to 61 seats? How come only 47.05 % of vote. The libs went from 7 to 17 seats and NDP doubled from 2 to 4 seats. Seems to me conservative support is not what it once was in Alberta.

The conservatives Klein and Harper operate on fear mongering, lies and untruth's. They mislead the public on things like ssm and kyoto.

Ralph went down in seats because he has fallen victim to the same disease the liberals have got. However, to put it into perspective, 61 seats out of 83 is a huge majority that any political leader in Canada would love to have. It's hard to go up when you are already at the top. I believe you will see a new conservative leader in Alberta within the next two - three years who will do exactly like Ralph did when he took over from Getty. As I recall, Decore from the LIberals was going to wipe out the Conservatives under Klein when Ralph first came to power. The same thing will happen again, especially if the new leader is one of the two guys touted for the job: Dinning or Morton.

Ralph also does no fear mongering, he simply reflects the views of the majority of Albertans, something a good provincial leader is supposed to do. Kyoto is a wealth transfer scheme, and the position on SSM and SSU is very clear.
 
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