Right Wing Bigotry From Alberta

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bluealberta

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Re: RE: Right Wing Bigotry Fr

Reverend Blair said:
Nah, you'll just be an Amerikan.

I've been voting the same way all my life too, Blue. Since I do consider myself rich (though that likely has more to do with having seen what poverty looks like than the measures you use) it could easily be argued that we'd all be better off with an NDP government in Ottawa.

So, tit for tat. FYI, I have experienced extreme financial hardship which has given me a better appreciation for what I have currently. No, I have not personally experienced the abject poverty in some third world countries where the people are terribly poor, but their leaders through corruption are successful and wealthy. I want to make sure Canada does not end up the same. And no, I am still not rich relative to North American definitions of rich.

And if becoming American (spelling, Rev) is what it takes to make me very rich, then I may have to look at that. Hopefully not, though.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Right Wing Bigotry Fr

You are the dirty one, Blue. You've stated several times that money is more important than anything else. To you money is the only measuring stick, the be all and end all. That's filthy.
 

Twila

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There's a reason greed is considered one of the 7 deadly sins.
 

damngrumpy

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Unfortunately many people in Alberta are living in a time warp. The look for a simple time when things were black and white, good or bad, whatever terms you want to use.
Well many have become victims of their own greed, and sence of importance. I've lived in Alberta three times in my life and each time I left, as it was like living in hell.
I should be careful here, I have a lot of friends, and my sister lives in Alberta, and no I am not saying that Albertans are league with the devil.
It is just that they seem to have a political pac mentality,
they all vote Social Credit for thirty years, then one day they vote for a different label, the Conservatives. No they didn't change their views, broaden their horizons, or discuss the issues, instead they voted Conservative with a different name.
Things will soon be changing for Alberta though, people are moving their from other parts of Canada, and for that matter the world. People with differing ideas, and political labels of their own. The rural vote will lose its power base within the next decade and city voters will in fact have more power. As urban voters become the majority, the Conservatives will gradually break down.
I don't know if it is so much, bigotry as it is living in a political vacume for so long.
I look at my friends and in some cases famaily and I hesitate with a couple of exceptions, to call them bigots,
they just don't seem to understand that Canada is made up of a much bigger region than Alberta. They want the country to be conservative and the rest of the nation wants little to no part of Conservatism.
Has anyone considered, the New Democrats, with fewer seats have more of a national composition that the Conservatives?
For far too long, the Alberta vision of Conservatism has dealt more with the issues of gay marriage, and social issues rather than the things that really matter, like hungry children living in poverty, the environment, and a host of other concrete issues.
The reason is they have made money the centerpiece of their existance. You ask a serious question and the answer is, look how rich our province is.
They are isolated for two or three important reasons.
l They leave the rest of the country with an image that
they are backwoods people with unchanging views.
2 Albertans believe they are so important that they can
use their money and influence to direct the nations
political agenda
3 The other provinces are resent the fact that Alberta is
oil rich, and that they try to push their way around in
a manner bigger than their size.
This of course is not true of all Albertans, the same as it is not true for any other region of the country. It just appears that way. So the question then becomes, is the country no more than a bunch of bigots for suggesting that all Albertans are bigots and backwoods? Interesting question isn't it?
I think we should consentrate not on labels, but on issues that impact us all day to day. What is true, is what people believe is not always what is true.
 

bluealberta

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Re: RE: Right Wing Bigotry Fr

Reverend Blair said:
You are the dirty one, Blue. You've stated several times that money is more important than anything else. To you money is the only measuring stick, the be all and end all. That's filthy.

Actually, I've never stated that on any posts here at all. Lying is filthy, Rev.

Is money important? Of course, to deny it is ridiculous. Do I think some corps and CEO's make more than they should? Sure. Do some corps who make what many consider to be too much employ thousands of people and provide good return to people who invest in their corporations? Of course. Is that bad thing? Only to the left where profit is the dirty word.
 

Reverend Blair

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And if becoming American (spelling, Rev) is what it takes to make me very rich, then I may have to look at that.

Just one more example of your priorities being all screwed up, Blue.

You've put money before the environment, democratic principles, the welfare of your fellow Albertans and your fellow Canadians. Now you are saying that you will put money before your country. Worse than that, you are suggesting that people who don't take such a crass and self-interested view are somehow inferior to you.

It's the same old tune...blind allegiance to money.
 

SilentSwirl

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Reverend Blair said:
You've put money before the environment, democratic principles, the welfare of your fellow Albertans and your fellow Canadians.
Protecting the environment costs a lot of money.

Running a democratic country costs a lot of money.

Having a welfare state costs a lot of money.

Whats your point?
Reverend Blair said:
Now you are saying that you will put money before your country.
I have fought and risked my life for my country (have you?). I also fought for Blue's right to choose where he wants to live without having to suffer parsimonious ridicule from the likes of you.
Reverend Blair said:
Worse than that, you are suggesting that people who don't take such a crass and self-interested view are somehow inferior to you.
I've seen nothing posted by Blue in this thread to indicate the validity of this accusation. Show me?
 

Reverend Blair

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Protecting the environment costs a lot of money.

Not protecting it costs more.

Running a democratic country costs a lot of money.

So we should allow people with more money to have more votes?

Having a welfare state costs a lot of money.

Not as much as letting people suffer so that a few can have far more than they need.

Whats your point?

What's yours? You don't have one, do you?

I have fought and risked my life for my country (have you?).

Are you trying to imply that your choice of career somehow makes you more patriotic than the rest of us? Sorry, that doesn't wash.

I also fought for Blue's right to choose where he wants to live without having to suffer parsimonious ridicule from the likes of you.

So you support Blue's constant threats of separatism if he doesn't get his way? Gee...how patriotic of you.

I've seen nothing posted by Blue in this thread to indicate the validity of this accusation. Show me?

Have a party. Many of his posts suggest that have not provinces and poor people are fully deserving of the plight they find themselves. A lot of what he says, and the doctrine of the party that he supports, very much implies that money is the only measurement that matters and a lack of money indicates a lack of intelligence or work ethic.
 

bluealberta

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Reverend Blair said:
And if becoming American (spelling, Rev) is what it takes to make me very rich, then I may have to look at that.

Just one more example of your priorities being all screwed up, Blue.

You've put money before the environment, democratic principles, the welfare of your fellow Albertans and your fellow Canadians. Now you are saying that you will put money before your country. Worse than that, you are suggesting that people who don't take such a crass and self-interested view are somehow inferior to you.

It's the same old tune...blind allegiance to money.

As usual, totally untrue and unfounded allegations. But then why let the truth get in the way of reality, eh.
 

bluealberta

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Reverend Blair said:
I also fought for Blue's right to choose where he wants to live without having to suffer parsimonious ridicule from the likes of you.

So you support Blue's constant threats of separatism if he doesn't get his way? Gee...how patriotic of you.

I've seen nothing posted by Blue in this thread to indicate the validity of this accusation. Show me?

Have a party. Many of his posts suggest that have not provinces and poor people are fully deserving of the plight they find themselves. A lot of what he says, and the doctrine of the party that he supports, very much implies that money is the only measurement that matters and a lack of money indicates a lack of intelligence or work ethic.

Hogwash. I have never suggested people get what they deserve. I have consistently supported responsible social programs for those in need. I have never said or implied that a lack of intelligence or work ethic is a measurement of anything. I have never suggested transfer payments be eliminated, but I have suggested that there has to be fiscal responsibility for the money received. As was mentioned in another post, all the things you desire cost a lot of money, so you accusing me of using money as a yardstick of some kind is very hypocritical. And your lovely "not doing anything costs more" answer is ridiculous. You read into my statements what you want, that's fine. But don't put out false statements about me and what I post. You won't put up with it when others do it to you and the rest of us expect the same courtesy. Anything less devalues this forum totally.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Right Wing Bigotry Fr

You have suggested that short-term and localized (to Alberta) economic concerns are more important than global environmetal problems.

You have suggested that Alberta's economic power entitles it to more power within our democracy.

You have suggested that money is more important than universal healthcare and (again) the environment.

You are now saying that, if the financial incentive is there, you will become an American. Given your former ramblings on Alberta separating, that can easily be taken as you wanting to take your province and graft in onto Montana.

You have constantly denigrated anybody who does not share view and dares to suggest that our country and the people in it are more important than your personal wealth.
 

SilentSwirl

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Reverend Blair said:
Protecting the environment costs a lot of money.

Not protecting it costs more.

That's not a point, it's a position. Notwithstanding your masterful posturing what's your point?

Running a democratic country costs a lot of money.

So we should allow people with more money to have more votes?

A typically specious question, completely lacking any substance that intentionally evades the point and attempts to make you look like a cross between St. Francis of Assisi and Robin Hood - which I very much doubt you are.

More posturing and pandering to your audience perhaps?


Having a welfare state costs a lot of money.

Not as much as letting people suffer so that a few can have far more than they need.

So you don't like the competitive nature of capitalism. Why don't you go and live in North Korea?

Whats your point?

What's yours? You don't have one, do you?

After you. Remember, I asked first, and don't forget to "be nice".

I have fought and risked my life for my country (have you?).

Are you trying to imply that your choice of career somehow makes you more patriotic than the rest of us? Sorry, that doesn't wash.

I'm no more patriotic than the next person but I do have the benefit of some personal experience in the question of putting "money before your country". This hopefully gives me more credibility than one without similar experience when speaking of "service to one's country", "sacrifice" etc.

I also fought for Blue's right to choose where he wants to live without having to suffer parsimonious ridicule from the likes of you.

So you support Blue's constant threats of separatism if he doesn't get his way? Gee...how patriotic of you.

Seems more than a little presumptious of you to assume I served under a flag of Canada.

It is irrelevant whether or not I support Blue's position vis-a-vis Quebec separation. What is relevant, in this instance, is that I totally support his right to have an opinion on the matter without having to suffer parsimonious ridicule from the likes of you.


I've seen nothing posted by Blue in this thread to indicate the validity of this accusation. Show me?

Have a party. Many of his posts suggest that have not provinces and poor people are fully deserving of the plight they find themselves. A lot of what he says, and the doctrine of the party that he supports, very much implies that money is the only measurement that matters and a lack of money indicates a lack of intelligence or work ethic.

"suggest", "implies"... trite innuendo. At best you are accusing Blue of being a bigoted elitist, at worst you are accusing him of promoting eugenics.

Like I said - show me specific instances where Blue has stated opinions that support your position.
 

Vanni Fucci

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SilentSwirl said:
"suggest", "implies"... trite innuendo. At best you are accusing Blue of being a bigoted elitist, at worst you are accusing him of promoting eugenics.

Interesting you should mention that, as I wasn't going to...but now that you have:

Here's some insight into what blues party of choice has supported:

OVERVIEW OF CHURCH/STATE SEPARATION IN CANADA

Alberta: The provincial government passed a Sexual Sterilization Act in 1928 (5 years before Germany). From 1929-OCT to 1972-FEB, 2,832 sterilization procedures were performed in the province. "Some of the people considered "unfit" to bear children were new immigrants, alcoholics, epileptics, unwed mothers, the poor and native people." 1 By 1998-MAR, almost 750 victims had initiated suits against the government. On 1998-MAR-10, the Alberta legislature introduced Bill 26 which would have used the "not withstanding" clause to override the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Massive outcries from an enraged public and media motivated the government to withdraw the bill the next day.

This threat of invoking the Notwithstanding Clause was from Ralph Klein's neoconservative government...Harper's neocons have the exact same ideology, and get their policies from the same place...

So you tell me, what doubt is there that these f**ks are about the worst government this country could have?
 

peapod

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He supports this man his leader:

Has vigorously and actively opposed gay marriage. And would use the Notwithstanding Clause to override the Supreme Court’s definition of marriage.
Has called “vile” any comparison between civil rights and gay rights, and voted against including sexual orientation in hate propaganda laws.
Hired a former Winnipeg radio jock fired for saying that “diesel dykes (are) running the school board” to be his media spokesperson in his 2002 Alliance leadership bid.

He supports a bigot, so that makes him a bigot, and if you support him you are a bigot to. Candy coat it all you want.
 
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