Right Wing Bigotry From Alberta

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bluealberta

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LadyC said:
I object to intergalactic marriages. You gotta draw the line somewhere.

Yeah, you may be right there, all right. Ok, no intergalactic stuff. Besides, from all the movies I've seen, who could tell if they were male or female or ????? anyway?? :wink:
 

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Tsk tsk blue. Still no answer. ;)

Why is the word so important that you'd deny its use to SSMs?

And for the other side..

Why is the word so important that you insist on it?
 

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LadyC said:
Tsk tsk blue. Still no answer. ;)

Why is the word so important that you'd deny its use to SSMs?

And for the other side..

Why is the word so important that you insist on it?

Lady, let me think on it, has been a long day. I struggle with the answer myself, but it is something I feel quite strongly about. Maybe it has something to do with what I was always taught was the sanctity of marriage, but that seems a bit over the top. I think it may have to do with a lot of things. Maybe part of it is that this country seems hellbent on destroying any and all traditions we have in the name of conformity. And no, I don't want to get into that on this thread. Maybe part of it is that those of us who support the definition of traditional marriage want to have something we can call our own. I really don't know. I guess it is kind of like being religious where you really can't define who God is or why you believe in Her, but you know you do. Make any sense?
 

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Yes, it makes sense. Or rather, it would, if we heteros hadn't already done a number on the sanctity of marriage.

I don't know if you've said, but I don't get the impression that you object to SSMs per se... just the use of the word. That seems to be the major hang-up with a lot of people, and I've often wondered why. Same with those that insist on its use. Oddly enough, I don't think I've ever heard a gay person insist on it. It seems to be the heteros that get all worked up about it.

Anyone is free to correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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ssm is marriage. plain and simple. call it what it is. We are evolving as a society so to speak. We allow inter racial marriages and now it is time to allow ssm and call it marriage as that is what it is.

Personally to me marriage is a joke anyways. Over 50% end in divorce. Must be a new tradition.
 

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So why not legislate that churches who refuse to perform SSM will not lose their tax exempt status?

Why?

Personally as far as I am concerned Churches should not have tax exempt status anyways. Most large Churches are run like a business anyways.

If the Catholic Church has all this money to pay victims of sex abuse (13 million) then why the hell should they have tax exempt status? here
 

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LadyC said:
Yes, it makes sense. Or rather, it would, if we heteros hadn't already done a number on the sanctity of marriage.

I don't know if you've said, but I don't get the impression that you object to SSMs per se... just the use of the word. That seems to be the major hang-up with a lot of people, and I've often wondered why. Same with those that insist on its use. Oddly enough, I don't think I've ever heard a gay person insist on it. It seems to be the heteros that get all worked up about it.

Anyone is free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes i think you may be right. I know the lady I work with who is gay has no issue, and Cathou on this thread seemed not to have an issue with it. I think the main philosophical difference comes from having something perceived to be forced on society. I think you have to keep in mind that only two generations ago at most, homosexuality was illegal and you could be put in jail for it. While that is wrong, you cannot change peoples thought processes overnight, and to come as far as we, or should I say the gay community, as in such a short time is fairly remarkable.

The generational thing is interesting. I know my inlaws and my mother, and other people in the 65-80 age group generally speak in ways that are not what we would call politically correct. These are the generation that grew up with homosexuality being illegal, and they use the terms like queer, fag, etc. when talking about gays, and they don't even know they are doing it, because those are the words they used in their time. People of my generation know that it is wrong to use these terms, and those that do, do it on purpose, for whatever reason. My kids, on the other hand, abhor those terms and get very upset, even when their grandparents use those terms. So things change over generations, but some want overnight changes, and it just does not happen.
 

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no1important said:
ssm is marriage. plain and simple. call it what it is. We are evolving as a society so to speak. We allow inter racial marriages and now it is time to allow ssm and call it marriage as that is what it is.

Personally to me marriage is a joke anyways. Over 50% end in divorce. Must be a new tradition.

I don't think anyone said that marriage is perfect by any stretch. And divorce is a very serious issue with anyone who has gone through it, either as an adult or a child.
 

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no1important said:
So why not legislate that churches who refuse to perform SSM will not lose their tax exempt status?

Why?

Personally as far as I am concerned Churches should not have tax exempt status anyways. Most large Churches are run like a business anyways.

If the Catholic Church has all this money to pay victims of sex abuse (13 million) then why the hell should they have tax exempt status? here

Simple: Separation of Church and State.
 

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Bah, blame mrmom, he keeps posting links and has distracted me from the Romanow report. Dam thing is just under 400 pages, interesting to read though. Soon blue, soon :p
 

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I think not said:
Bah, blame mrmom, he keeps posting links and has distracted me from the Romanow report. Dam thing is just under 400 pages, interesting to read though. Soon blue, soon :p

Any preliminary thoughts? I started to read it, then had to go out of town for work, my wife tore a ligament in her foot, and I just haven't got back to it.
 

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I think not said:
Yes I do have some, but not under this thread, I have to say though, this Romanow dude put together some package. It has ALOT of information.

Yeah, no argument there. Looking forward to your "Gomery Report" on the "Romanow Report" :wink:
 

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bluealberta said:
no1important said:
So why not legislate that churches who refuse to perform SSM will not lose their tax exempt status?

Why?

Personally as far as I am concerned Churches should not have tax exempt status anyways. Most large Churches are run like a business anyways.

If the Catholic Church has all this money to pay victims of sex abuse (13 million) then why the hell should they have tax exempt status? here

Simple: Separation of Church and State.

That is really not an answer. What does seperation of church and state have to do with Tax Exempt status, anyways?

Nothing.

They get an exemption on an unproven myth, for basically forming a cult, but the way (thankfully) society is changing hopefully the churches will lose their exemtion status in a few decades anyways. Especially with each generation their tends to be fewer and fewer believers.
 

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I believe they would also qualify the same way other charities do. Whether you agree or disagree with the beliefs, churches do a lot of good works.
 
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