Reparations for Black Canadians

55Mercury

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Well, this is very pigmentation specific, so apologies to Slavics, Irish, Dene, etc…
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Your day may come for specific government handouts of this nature, but that day isn’t today.

Well, theyre gonna have to use another word than slave. That is specific to Slavs.

I sure as shit didnt give permission a d they still havent bucked up for intergenerational trauma cause by the internment camps and enslavement 100 years ago.

A statue in the middle of nowhere just isnt enough.

How much are Banff and Jasper worth?

Let's not forget the reparations owed to Eastern Europeans by Mongolia.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Well, with everyone & their dog involved in the slave (sorry, involuntary employment program) trade, we could get everyone together in the same room, pick one person randomly, have him pull out a dollar figure that everyone agrees with, and pass it to the left…any everyone to the left of him/her/them/zir keeps passing it around the circle until it ends up back in the hands of the first person again.

Receipt's get issued. Everyone goes home. Done deal.
 

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Ah yes. The old "Not all criminals are caught and punished, so I shouldn't be punished for my crimes" argument.
That's a bit of a stretch even for you. No one alive today was responsible for anything that went on in the past not even today's governments so where do you draw the line, oh bony one?
 

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That's a bit of a stretch even for you. No one alive today was responsible for anything that went on in the past not even today's governments so where do you draw the line, oh bony one?
That's what a trial would determine, were one held. A class action against Canada (or the U.S., or one of its constituent states). It would be a novel legal theory, that the country in its corporate person is responsible for the ongoing effects of past legal, mandatory discrimination, such as slavery, Jim Crow segregation in the U.S., and the criminalization of homosexual sex. Possibly for "failure to protect" or "encouraging discrimination."

You want my personal opinion? I'd say "If you, personally, can assert and prove that you have been discriminated against for whatever you are, then you, personally, are entitled to damages (I'd also make discrimination in housing, employment, education, and public accommodations a criminal offence). But whatever happened to your great-great-grandaddy, his claim died when he did." But I can argue it either way, cuz I'm a pizza guy.
 

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Well, theyre gonna have to use another word than slave. That is specific to Slavs.

I sure as shit didnt give permission a d they still havent bucked up for intergenerational trauma cause by the internment camps and enslavement 100 years ago.

A statue in the middle of nowhere just isnt enough.

How much are Banff and Jasper worth?

Room and board . Those guys had it made . Three squares a day and away from their wife’s .
 

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This could be interesting. Then Britain can ask the Barbary pirate nations for reparations….& around and around and around and around and around and around and around it can go.😉
Britain? Why? They used Slavics. Its where the word Slave came from.
 

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From the 15th to the 19th century, at least 12.5 million Africans were kidnapped and forcibly taken by mostly European ships and merchants and sold into slavery. Britain transported an estimated 3.2 million people.
According to Robert Davis, author of Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters, between 1 million and 1.2 million Europeans were captured by Barbary pirates and sold as slaves in North Africa and The Ottoman Empire between the 16th and 19th centuries.
King Charles said on Friday the Commonwealth should acknowledge its "painful" history, as African and Caribbean nations push for reparations for Britain's role in transatlantic slavery.

The Barbary slave trade involved the capture and selling of white European slaves at slave markets in the largely independent Ottoman Barbary states. European slaves were captured by Barbary pirates in slave raids on ships and by raids on coastal towns from Italy to Ireland, and the southwest of Britain, as far north as Iceland and into the Eastern Mediterranean.
Representatives of 56 countries, most with roots in Britain's empire, are attending the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting that began in Samoa on Monday, with slavery and the threat of climate change emerging as major themes.

The demand for former colonial powers such as Britain to pay reparations or make other amends for slavery and its legacies today is a long-standing one, but has gained momentum worldwide, particularly among the Caribbean Community (CARICOM) and the African Union.

As the National Museums Liverpool explains: "European traders captured some Africans in raids along the coast, but bought most of them from local African or African-European dealers."

The major Atlantic slave trading nations, in order of trade volume, were Portugal, Britain, Spain, France, the Netherlands, the United States, and Denmark. Several had established outposts on the African coast, where they purchased slaves from local African leaders.
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I’ve tried to Google “Europe demanding slave reparations from Africa” but that’s a dead end. Interesting in itself.
 

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From the 15th to the 19th century, at least 12.5 million Africans were kidnapped and forcibly taken by mostly European ships and merchants and sold into slavery. Britain transported an estimated 3.2 million people.
According to Robert Davis, author of Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters, between 1 million and 1.2 million Europeans were captured by Barbary pirates and sold as slaves in North Africa and The Ottoman Empire between the 16th and 19th centuries.
King Charles said on Friday the Commonwealth should acknowledge its "painful" history, as African and Caribbean nations push for reparations for Britain's role in transatlantic slavery.

The Barbary slave trade involved the capture and selling of white European slaves at slave markets in the largely independent Ottoman Barbary states. European slaves were captured by Barbary pirates in slave raids on ships and by raids on coastal towns from Italy to Ireland, and the southwest of Britain, as far north as Iceland and into the Eastern Mediterranean.
Representatives of 56 countries, most with roots in Britain's empire, are attending the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting that began in Samoa on Monday, with slavery and the threat of climate change emerging as major themes.

The demand for former colonial powers such as Britain to pay reparations or make other amends for slavery and its legacies today is a long-standing one, but has gained momentum worldwide, particularly among the Caribbean Community (CARICOM) and the African Union.

As the National Museums Liverpool explains: "European traders captured some Africans in raids along the coast, but bought most of them from local African or African-European dealers."

The major Atlantic slave trading nations, in order of trade volume, were Portugal, Britain, Spain, France, the Netherlands, the United States, and Denmark. Several had established outposts on the African coast, where they purchased slaves from local African leaders.
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I’ve tried to Google “Europe demanding slave reparations from Africa” but that’s a dead end. Interesting in itself.
I want in.
 

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I want in.
Are you the right shade of slave? The Ottomans used Slavs…but did Britain too?

The British send four of my ancestors to Australia & not for a vacation, or even a working vacation, & I’ve still got lots of relatives there. Do I qualify? Can I jump on the bandwagon?
 

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Are you the right shade of slave? The Ottomans used Slavs…but did Britain too?

The British send four of my ancestors to Australia & not for a vacation, or even a working vacation, & I’ve still got lots of relatives there. Do I qualify? Can I jump on the bandwagon?
Doesn’t matter, Im going for copywrite for the use of Slav as slave. Its uncomfortable. My feelings are hurt.
 
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Lawsuit alleging anti-Black racism in federal public service heads to court
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The Federal Court will soon decide whether or not a $2.5-billion class action lawsuit against Canada for its discrimination against Black public servants can proceed.
The Federal Court will soon decide whether or not a $2.5-billion class action lawsuit against Canada for its discrimination against Black public servants can proceed.
OTTAWA — A Federal Court hearing got underway Monday to determine whether a group of Black public servants can proceed with a class-action lawsuit alleging discrimination in the federal government.


The certification hearing, which is happening in Toronto, could last up to 12 days.

The class action is made up of some 45,000 people who worked for the government dating to 1970. They are asking for $2.5 billion in damages for lost salaries and pensions.

“Today, we are escalating tactics,” said Nicholas Marcus Thompson, CEO of the Black Class Action Secretariat, outside the courthouse.

“State-sponsored discrimination is not acceptable.”



The plaintiffs allege widespread discrimination in the public service, citing reports of anti-Black racism at the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal and an internal report on discrimination at the Privy Council Office.


They say that Black public servants have been systematically denied opportunities for hiring and promotion due to their race, and that there is a hostile work environment and under-representation of Black employees in senior roles.

The federal government has said the plaintiffs could have brought individual concerns to the Canadian Human Rights Commission.

Government ministers have said they remain committed to removing barriers and ensuring Black employees have every opportunity to succeed.

A Senate report on anti-Black racism in the Canadian Human Rights Commission released last December found a “crisis of confidence” in the body and questioned its ability to respond to human-rights complaints in a “fair and equitable manner.”


The study was prompted by grievances against the commission over its treatment of Black and racialized employees.

Senators found some employees were harmed by their employer, and the report noted that workplace discrimination can have significant and lasting effects.

“It is never acceptable, yet it is a daily fact of life for many Black and racialized people in Canada,” the report said.

Standing with the plaintiffs in Toronto, NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said federal employees should be confident they won’t be discriminated against in the workplace.

“Stop fighting workers in court, and settle this case,” he urged the government.