Remembrance Day

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They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them

-Laurence Binyon

Remembrance Day to me, like many others, is a fairly solemn occasion. I always try to observe the moment of silence at 11:00 am, even if I am not at a cenotaph or ceremony. I never served, myself, but was a Royal Canadian Army Cadet for 5 years and have always had an interest in history, especially the military parts. My mom was in the RCN in the '60s (she was actually in uniform the day Kennedy was shot, and said it was one of the scariest days of her life, as no one knew what was going to happen), and my maternal grandfather served as a free Belgian in WW2, in the Belgian SAS battalion. I think of Grandpa a lot at this time of year, in part because of Remembrance Day, but also because his birth and death were in early December.

Grandpa and his brother, my great uncle Karel both left the farm close to Unity, Saskatchewan to sign up. I don't know a lot about it: Grandpa never liked to talk much about it, so most of what I know came from my mother. I don't know why they joined the Belgians as opposed to the Canadians and I probably never will as both men and their wives have been deceased for years. Grandpa developed some pretty strong opinions while in the service, this I DO know: he tended to dislike the Americans, thinking the Battle of the Bulge happened because "they were drunk, celebrating Christmas and Germans caught them with their pants down". He also gained a very pronouced dislike of the French, both European and Canadian versions, in large part because of their overall stubborness in clinging to the French language in operations, even most of the countries they were working with were predominantly English speaking (Grandpa was also Flemish Belgian, and their... disagreements with the French in Belgium go back centuries). Mom said Grandpa was offered a staff post if he wanted to stay in the military after the war, but he had "had enough of the g******ed French bulls***" and went to meet his Scottish war-bride and their infant daughter in Saskatchewan. A lot of this seems at odds with the soft spoken man, I knew and loved but I also heard some of the comments, like his opinion of parachutists from the Canadian Airborne Regiment dropping on the field at Commonwealth Stadium at the pregame or halftime of an Eskimo game ("stupid bloody thing to do, jumping out of a perfectly good airplane. We only did it because we had to!").

I never even knew the Belgian battalion of the SAS existed until a few years ago, when a historian made contact with some of Mom's cousins. looking for any old information/stories/memorabilia Grandpa or Uncle Karel might have left with us. Mom always said he was a "free Belgian paratrooper". I had heard of the SAS of course, initially in my cadet days, and more as the years went by and I read more, news and historical accounts, and was impressed that my grandfather had served in such a prestigious unit. I can't say that I was more impressed, because I had known for years that he was some type of airborne soldier.

Mom related some of the little Grandpa had told her and her brothers about the war mostly along the lines of: dropping into France and hiding beside a road while "half the German army rolled by, too scared too move to go to the bathroom". Mom also told my sister and I of one night when Grandpa and his brothers got into the vodka, and Uncle Karel and Grandpa talked in quiet voices of what they had seen when they had been present at one of the camps being liberated. Mom was never positive which one (she thought possibly Belsen Bergen but that was liberated by the Americans according to the records), and she said Grandpa never talked about it again, at least where his family heard.

The only other thing Mom said, was something I've heard from other veterans: Grandpa and Uncle Karel never thought of themselves as heroes, no matter what others said. To them, they only did what they had to do: the heroes never came home. I think of this a lot whenever discussions of military missions come up, and I am thankful, especially on Remembrance Day, that Grandpa and Uncle Karel did come home, even if Grandpa's life was still too short by my reckoning (he died on his 65th birthday, December 3, 1981).


Thanks for sharing that wulfie.


I believe this to be true from the vets I've spoken to.

I never served either but just can't imagine feeling comfortable while being referred to by that title.




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Little Belgian boy saluting Canadian Troops - YouTube
 

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What does it mean to you?

Being that I believe freedom is God-given, meaning our freedoms don't come from a piece of paper, our government, or because it's a culture norm, remembrance day means a lot to me. Thank you to all those who served, sacrificed and those who continue to serve the ideal of inalienable freedom for everyone.
 

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Being that I believe freedom is God-given, meaning our freedoms don't come from a piece of paper, our government, or because it's a culture norm, remembrance day means a lot to me. Thank you to all those who served, sacrificed and those who continue to serve the ideal of inalienable freedom for everyone.



So, you believe that God has given you the power and right to be judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to some one possibly restricting your freedom, you have the right to decide who lives and dies. You have the right to decide which one of God's children should die.
 

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So, you believe that God has given you the power and right to be judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to some one possibly restricting your freedom, you have the right to decide who lives and dies. You have the right to decide which one of God's children should die.

Jimminy Cricket Gerryh wipe foam off your chin:lol:
 

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So, you believe that God has given you the power and right to be judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to some one possibly restricting your freedom, you have the right to decide who lives and dies. You have the right to decide which one of God's children should die.

And you have the right to sit and watch someone being murdered.
 

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Another nostalgia thread. Interesting to see if and how anyone's opinions have changed, even if just moderately.
 

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Another nostalgia thread. Interesting to see if and how anyone's opinions have changed, even if just moderately.

Opinions do evolve - may not in a year but over time many people do change. And some remain stuck- They are the dangerous ones-
 

#juan

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Good reply Locutus. Flanders field is always a good read. I was in the RCAF for five years back in the fifties.
Fortunately, the only war we fought in was the "cold war". The closest we got to fighting was scrambling against
mostly, imaginary targets. Close enough for most of us.:smile:
 

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I do not think the monuments nor the soldiers who fought are forgotten at all.
My father like so many others went over with the South Saskatchewan and
his best friend is on the list of war dead in Kipling Sask.
Dad was shot up in the Italian campaign his friend died in the
Dieppe Raid.
I think we owe a great debt of gratitude to those who served their country both in
war and peace time service. Instead for some reason we try our best to screw
them out of a few bucks of pension where ever and when ever we can regardless
of what government is in power.
All that death and destruction some say because of tyrants like Hitler and others.
The other side of that coin is our country and others trade with those nations and
dictators allowing them to build up arms and munitions. China is a prime example.
We send our jobs over there for cheap labour, and the industrial factories can be
switched over night to war production.
Someone said we don't learn from what has happened and that is all too true.
Remember the boys who went to war were hoping it would be the last time and it
would settle something but in fact war settles nothing in the end, it only allows for
a historic brief moment of survival.
 

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Remembrance Day

DATE: November 11, 2013

LOCATION: Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum

TIME: 10:30 am - 12 noon

ADMISSION: Free admission but donations to the Museum to help us remember them are greatly appreciated.

DETAILS: Please join us for this special day of remembrance at the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum where we will be honouring those who served our country with a special Remembrance Day service. Our service will also recognize the valiant men and women of today's Canadian Forces who build upon the honoured, sacred legacy of our fallen heroes. The service will be conducted by Captain the Reverend Canon Kristine Swire who will also be this year's guest speaker.
The Museum offers seating for several hundred with limited standing room, so it is best to arrive early. Weather permitting, the Museum's Lancaster will do a flypast for the service. The service will be broadcast live by CHCH Television.


Remembrance Day event on November 11, 2013 at the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum
 

#juan

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In Canada Remembrance day is about honouring all those soldiers who died. We honour those who died by buying and wearing red poppies on November 11 and offering a silent thank you to those soldiers everywhere who died fighting their country's wars.
 

#juan

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In Canada Remembrance day is about honouring all those soldiers who died. We honour those who died by buying and wearing red poppies on November 11 and offering a silent thank you to those soldiers everywhere who died fighting their country's wars.

The white poppy is something else entirely.
 

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We Remember Them

In the rising of the sun and its going down,
We Remember Them.

In the blowing of the wind and in the chill of winter,
We Remember Them.

In the opening of the buds and in the rebirth of spring.
We Remember Them.

In the blueness of the skies and in the warmth of summer,
We Remember Them.

In the rustling of the leaves and in the beauty of autumn.
We Remember Them.

In the beginning of the year and when it ends,
We Remember Them.

When we are weary and in need of strength,
We Remember Them.

When we are lost and sick of heart,
We Remember Them.

When we have joys and special celebrations we yearn to share,
We Remember Them.

So long as we live, they too shall live, for they are part of us.
We Remember Them.



By Rabbi Sylvan Kamens