Remembrance day forgotten

[Cliffy]

Ehhh.. it's not the ideology that kills people. Communism doesn't kill people, lol

Ya! Guns don't kill people. It is the idiot who is holding the gun that kills people.

 

[Liberalman]

War Songs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3IutxvltBM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV_LC5TaK-A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSmyoNg-fjE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpuxoOvRst0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lroU7apzma8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=InRDF_0lfHk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVor2Xm8qg0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hlyjnIN9bE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwpO8Q1u4Ss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozsjay8-D98

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqx-tsg81NM

 

[wulfie68]

Canada did not fight a revolution. It won its freedom through negotiation. WWI and II had nothing to do with our freedom. WWI was about our obligations to the Commonwealth and WWII had to do with protecting England. At neither time were we in danger of losing our freedom. Afghanistan is another kettle of fish but it certainly has nothing to do with our freedom, nor did Korea. So your assertion is nonsense.

You're right in parts but wrong in others.

We didn't fight a revolution to gain our freedoms, because they were part of a culture that had let them evolve and but that culture had to be defended at various times in the past. By the time Canada came into existence on its own, much of that defending was history but that doesn't change the fact that if various factions had succeeded, we wouldn't enjoy the freedoms we do today.

You're correct in that the first World War was about our treaty obligations than anything else, but the Second World War was a danger. If Britain had fallen, so too would the Russians, leaving the Nazis in control of Europe, and a huge chunk of Asia (including the oil of the Middle East), with the ability to swallow Africa at their leisure. Their allies, the Japanese also had a good sized chunk of Asia under their control... not to mention a large number of Pacific Islands from which to launch attacks on the West coast. From there, invasion of North America was only a matter of time. Lets not also forget the Nazis were also well on their way in nuclear arms development, and probably would have developed them before the Allies, had it not been for the bombing attacks on their research facilities (the heavy water plants in Scandanavia, etc). World War II may have resulted from the victorious Allies being idiots about imposing reparations on the Central Powers (namely Germany) after the First World War, but it in the end it was a war for our cultural survival.

We can argue the merits of many of the wars in which we have been involved: I too think that Communism was a danger to our freedoms, although the West backed some ugly characters in our proxy wars with the USSR. I also think there was a lot of merit in our Afghan involvement. Those "rough men" have been needed and given human nature, probably always will be.

 

[Spade]

Those "rough men" are mostly boys.

 

[gore0bsessed]

BBC News - 'Kill team' leader Calvin Gibbs guilty of murder

A US military court has convicted an American soldier of three counts of premeditated murder for leading a rogue "kill team" in Afghanistan.

Sgt Calvin Gibbs, 26, admitted cutting and keeping fingers from corpses as war trophies, but said he was returning enemy fire and did not set out to kill.

..Prosecutors told the jury that Gibbs and the other soldiers dropped weapons by the bodies to make them appear to be combatants.

..According to Morlock, when Gibbs joined the platoon in 2010, he began describing scenarios to kill civilians, saying it would be easy to get away with.

Morlock testified that Gibbs used grenades against two of his victims, and placed an AK-47 near another victim to make it appear he had been armed.

 

[mentalfloss]

I remember that.

The media tried to sweep that news story under the rug. I'm glad he's officially convicted now.

 

[Colpy]

Maybe I wasn't clear. The ones responsible for those murders were dictators, not communists and certainly not socialists. It is kinda like pedophiles or adulterers hiding behind their religion.

Oh, and I am not a socialist or a communist. I am an anarchist and I know you have no idea what that means.

Correct.

Which doesn't change the fact that the "religion" they hid behind was one of determinism and atheism, that peaches the perfectablity of mankind........if only they first submit to the dictatorship of the "proletariat".

kinda convenient, huh?

Oh, I DO know what an anarchist is, and being an anarchist means you are crazy.

I mean that in the nicest possible way, but it is true.

I agree. Keep Remembrance Day traditional. And while we're ejecting all that civilian dead crap, we better be thorough and eject this "died for your freedom" crap too. Traditional Remembrance Day is about the First World War, and no one died for anyone's freedom in that war. If you want to add the Second World War and other wars, you're changing Remembrance Day and change is bad.

Minor OOOPS, gave you a Greenie before I read the last sentence.......my bad.

Yes, it started as a remembrance of WWI, but I believe that it is intended as remembrance of all our war dead, even those from last month.

 

[VanIsle]

Most of my family is here at my house. Some will be down the road at the centotaph - remembering. We will remember and we will observe the 2 minutes of silence here in our home at 11:00 A.M.
Many families will remember their fallen loved ones and for the more recent - there will be a lot of pain today. I feel sad for their pain. It really doesn't matter what war or why they fought, in the sense of everyone saying either we should be honouring all the fallen or those who say only WW 1 matters today. Their pain matters today in particular because today it is right in their face - again. It is a day to respect and remember all those who fought, and all those who died, and all left behind to deal with the pain.

 

[Ariadne]

Gerry, thank you for this thread honouring our war heros. My father was a first lieutenant with the Dutch military in WW2 and I'm very proud of his contribution to the freedoms that we enjoy today. My son in law is with the military, living in Ottawa but often away on missions. I'm proud of his contribution to the freedoms that we enjoy today. It takes a very special person to set aside their personal goals to protect the rights of all Canadians.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

BBC News - 'Kill team' leader Calvin Gibbs guilty of murder

A US military court has convicted an American soldier of three counts of premeditated murder for leading a rogue "kill team" in Afghanistan.

Sgt Calvin Gibbs, 26, admitted cutting and keeping fingers from corpses as war trophies, but said he was returning enemy fire and did not set out to kill.

..Prosecutors told the jury that Gibbs and the other soldiers dropped weapons by the bodies to make them appear to be combatants.

..According to Morlock, when Gibbs joined the platoon in 2010, he began describing scenarios to kill civilians, saying it would be easy to get away with.

Morlock testified that Gibbs used grenades against two of his victims, and placed an AK-47 near another victim to make it appear he had been armed.

Thanks for the info CuBert, err Abfet, errr Goreobsessed.. Pick a fricken handle will yuh.

 

[Mowich]

Basically...screw you. You want to glorify war and those that participated, you go right ahead. I WILL NOT support that bullshyte. I will NOT support war of any kind. I will NOT support "remembrance day" in the form it is at this time as it does NOTHING towards peace. It glorifies war. It makes no mention of the suffering war causes except for the "suffering" endured by those that fought and killed their fellow man. The majority of deaths were NOT those people that remembrance day acknowledges.

and yes...I am now getting REAL FU CKING PISSED

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[gerryh]

Gerry, thank you for this thread honouring our war heros. My father was a first lieutenant with the Dutch military in WW2 and I'm very proud of his contribution to the freedoms that we enjoy today. My son in law is with the military, living in Ottawa but often away on missions. I'm proud of his contribution to the freedoms that we enjoy today. It takes a very special person to set aside their personal goals to protect the rights of all Canadians.

Screw you, and take the racist war monger colpy with ya. There's already threads for your "honouring". I started a separate thread for my ideals rather than, like in previous years, posting them in your precious "memorial" threads and getting my ass timed out.

Were it not for the selfless sacrifice of so many Canadians, we would not now enjoy the freedom to express our opinions openly and without fear of physical reprisal, imprisonment, or suppression.



Had Hitler succeeded in his quest for world domination, this freedom of expression that we now take for granted would be restricted only to those numbered among his coterie.

Gaia bless and keep our Fallen.

Were it not for the brainless sheeple on BOTH sides, no war could happen. No matter what the "dictators" or "nut cases" say and want, if the people that actually FIGHT the war said "NO", there would be no war. Period.

But of course, the majority of you don't have the balls to stand up and say no, you just follow the herd, lap up what you are told, and march like good little soldiers to oblivion. Congratulations on exercising your "freedoms".

 

[darkbeaver]

There is a lot of propaganda in the air this remembrance day. I wonder if that won't translate to more participation in the pomp and ceremony in the coming years due to the expected upswing in voluntary martyrs absolutly necessary if we are finally to end all wars against terrorists who want to impose their values on the free people of this planet. Of course we will have to actually have intact surviving triumphal avenues leading to the stone idols.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Were it not for the brainless sheeple on BOTH sides, no war could happen. No matter what the "dictators" or "nut cases" say and want, if the people that actually FIGHT the war said "NO", there would be no war. Period.

So you're telling me that if we said "No." in WWII there would have been no war?

 

[Corduroy]

Minor OOOPS, gave you a Greenie before I read the last sentence.......my bad.

Yes, it started as a remembrance of WWI, but I believe that it is intended as remembrance of all our war dead, even those from last month.

It was expanded to included the war dead of subsequent wars. I'm only trying to keep posters' logically consistent. They say that Remembrance Day should not be about non-soldiers because of tradition. Well, tradition does not include wars other than the First World War. Nor does it include the idea that these soldiers fought for our freedoms, which is partly a glorification of war. If you don't want to deviate from tradition, I believe you would be doing the veterans for the first war a disservice by making war out to be something their war wasn't. I doubt many veterans of that war were ever under the delusion that they had fought for a worthy cause. After the war, history tells us that most people were disabused of the idea of that war was glorious and useful. It was a pointless mass slaughter fought for no other reason than an imperial dickwaving contest.

What you're making Remembrance Day out to be forgets the lessons we were supposed to learn from the first war. The addition of subsequent wars is done superficially and the substance of the day is lost. If Remembrance Day should be about anything, it should be the tragedy of war, the real lesson of the First World War. When you want to include other wars, make it about that. Only that way could you say you're keeping with the tradition.

 

[gerryh]

Screw you, and take the racist war monger colpy with ya. There's already threads for your "honouring". I started a separate thread for my ideals rather than, like in previous years, posting them in your precious "memorial" threads and getting my ass timed out.




Were it not for the brainless sheeple on BOTH sides, no war could happen. No matter what the "dictators" or "nut cases" say and want, if the people that actually FIGHT the war said "NO", there would be no war. Period.

But of course, the majority of you don't have the balls to stand up and say no, you just follow the herd, lap up what you are told, and march like good little soldiers to oblivion. Congratulations on exercising your "freedoms".

So you're telling me that if we said "No." in WWII there would have been no war?

Reread what I posted.

 

[darkbeaver]

It was a pointless mass slaughter fought for no other reason than an imperial dickwaving contest.

Dicks are attached to banks as well, you'll recall. The point was to profit. That is one of the things we don't remember on remembrance day. Gold silver slaves and armament factories, the forges of war, nothings changed for ten thousand years. The sun will rise tomorrow and we will certainly forget.

 

[VanIsle]

Reread what I posted.


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WHY????? All of your posts are so hate filled it renders them useless. Look in your mirror - Do you see Harley Honey? You should, you sound just like her.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Reread what I posted.


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I don't have to reread what you posted. What you posted is a fairy tale. The Nazi Machine was in full swing, there was no stopping it. Sure, if the people in Germany and Russia and the rest of the World had said screw you, absolutely there'd be no war, but it's wishful thinking.

So when you post that the sheeple on both sides you actually mean what?

Tell me what we should have done to stop Hitlers march on Europe, because the Germans sure weren't stopping Hitler's March. If you're going to lay blame, lay it where it belongs.

 

[Ariadne]

Screw you, and take the racist war monger colpy with ya. There's already threads for your "honouring". I started a separate thread for my ideals rather than, like in previous years, posting them in your precious "memorial" threads and getting my ass timed out.




Were it not for the brainless sheeple on BOTH sides, no war could happen. No matter what the "dictators" or "nut cases" say and want, if the people that actually FIGHT the war said "NO", there would be no war. Period.

But of course, the majority of you don't have the balls to stand up and say no, you just follow the herd, lap up what you are told, and march like good little soldiers to oblivion. Congratulations on exercising your "freedoms".

Gerry, I'm sorry that you don't understand that importance of military activities throughout the centuries. I suspect that one has to have been raised with an understanding of what was at risk during war to be able to appreciate what was won.