Religious freedom office defended by Baird

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Perhaps Baird should set up a Freedom-To-Do-Dishes-Wearing-A-Cassock Office in Foreign Affairs. There are so many freedoms without their own office.

Yes, I agree. Some drink rum and coke - Good drink, dark rum. Others drink rye and coke, they are true sinners.
 

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Perhaps Baird should set up a Freedom-To-Do-Dishes-Wearing-A-Cassock Office in Foreign Affairs. There are so many freedoms without their own office.

This has always been a contention of mine because I try to be a social libertarian. Technically, government intervention is bad, but if the intervention actually promotes more liberty then it is good??
 

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This has always been a contention of mine because I try to be a social libertarian. Technically, government intervention is bad, but if the intervention actually promotes more liberty then it is good??

Back on topic. The Govt has been quite vocal in criticizing abuse by Govts of Gays up to an including some having the Death penalty. Why is it a problem when it comes to Religion.

Can someone please splain that to simpleminded old Goober.
 

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This has always been a contention of mine because I try to be a social libertarian. Technically, government intervention is bad, but if the intervention actually promotes more liberty then it is good??

Paradoxes give me migraines. Anyone have ASA?

Serious comment. This is another token balm to the CPC evangelical base and new-Canadians-feeing-their-strange-religions-threatened-by-CPC voters.

Bee Zar!
 

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Paradoxes give me migraines. Anyone have ASA?

I guess if the government is controlling the scope and nature of the message, it could be construed a mark against liberty. Then again, if they can actually achieve a greater set of liberty for its citizens than would otherwise be possible..

I guess it all depends on what that particular freedom is and whether we all agree if it is one worthy of government focus. And secondly, if we actually trust our government to grant the liberty it's promoting instead of regulating it as someone else pointed out.
 

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This has always been a contention of mine because I try to be a social libertarian. Technically, government intervention is bad, but if the intervention actually promotes more liberty then it is good??

I do not see why you have such a conflict

Social safety net - Fed – Prov.
Pensions - OAS etc - Fed - Taxpayer - Business.
Charter of Rights.

No when it comes to the market place I then could see a problem.
 

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I do not see why you have such a conflict

Social safety net - Fed – Prov.
Pensions - OAS etc - Fed - Taxpayer - Business.
Charter of Rights.

No when it comes to the market place I then could see a problem.

Two of those are economic controls. As I said, I try to be a social libertarian (not an economic one) so I trust the government more than I trust most private corporations.

The charter of rights is nice and I guess we should follow it as long as it has no adverse affect on national security.

For instance, if it is in the charter to grant the ultimate freedom to promote religion to the degree that it conflicts with other social freedoms (such as homosexuality as someone else pointed out), then we should be more accurate about the context of that religious freedom.

And if gays start going mental because we're going back to some primitive social conservatism based on this religious freedom, I would consider that possibly harmful.
 
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Correct - Reason it is in Foreign Affairs. If it was to monitor the Canadian Religious Right, it would have been tucked away in the Ministry of "Hidden Agenda"s". Thank God it was not.

Clinton the hero for some opened the first US Office under his watch. So if Clinton did it, why would Liberals complain?

What relationship is there between Clinton and Liberals?

Historically, conservatives were opposed to free trade and liberals supported it. We don't support or oppose a cause because our favourite party supports it. The classic definition of partisan bobble-heads.
 

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CPC Policy Thunkers
1. Prohibit "religious" face coverings from citizenship courts
2. Deflect concern by establishing a token "religious-freedom" office

They learnt this from Big Oil
1. Raise price of a litre of gas 10 cents on Tuesday
2. Lower price by 2 cents Wednesday to prove lower prices are in the works.
3. Consumers gas up Wednesday and praise Big Oil
4. Big Oil smiles at 8 cent rise and few complaints

"Free at last, free at last, thank Gawd we're free at last."
 

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What relationship is there between Clinton and Liberals?

Historically, conservatives were opposed to free trade and liberals supported it. We don't support or oppose a cause because our favourite party supports it. The classic definition of partisan bobble-heads.

Mulroney was for NAFTA - Liberals (Chretien) were against it if I recall. Many Liberals in Canada were quite high on Clinton
 

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More ideas for Big Government
1. Restrict demonstrations of 3 people or more.
2. Establish Freedom-of-Assembly Office