Religious Brain Scrubbing of Children

[Vanni Fucci]

So many people fear discussion of religion and history and it's contemporary flux.

Exactly...discussing the Holocaust has become so entirely taboo, that not even I dare go there...

It's interesting that we are forbidden from challenging the claims of religion or the holocaust museum to test them for veracity...and so we are forced to accept what we are told without question...

I for one am not always willing to do that...

 

[talloola]

The idea is sensible and realistic, and doesn't matter what anyone thinks either way,
as far as their 'opinions' enter into it.
The children in the schools should know what 'did' happen and how it happened, and
yes, it was Hitler who initiated it, and gave the orders.
Beyond that, those who add more to it, and bring other things into it, and are bigots,
and on and on, doesn't really matter one way or another, it still happened, and it
would be a shame if one day in the future, people actually wondered 'if it happened
or not', and a balance has to be arrived at, to offset those who are trying to erase history
because of their own hatred of the jews, and if that continues without any challenge and
correction, then eventually, maybe there will be more questions than answers, and that
would be 'sad' and 'disrespectful' to all of those who died, and had families and loved ones
who died at that time under those conditions.

 

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Very well put, Lady of the Island.
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[talloola]

Jews who had lots of money, were no diffeent than anyone in this day, who can buy their
way to anywhere, as opposed to those who can't. Money talks, always has always will.
That still doesn't change anything, the history is there, it happened, and yes, I'm sure
lots of jews managed to get out, pay their way out through underground, or whatever
way they could, it saved their lives, afterall they were people, just like you and I, and if
anyone of us were faced with the same fate, all the rich would soon dissapear, after managing
to pay off those who took advantage of them, (because of their money) to help them escape,
while not helping those without money.

 

[darkbeaver]

The idea is sensible and realistic, and doesn't matter what anyone thinks either way,
as far as their 'opinions' enter into it.
The children in the schools should know what 'did' happen and how it happened, and
yes, it was Hitler who initiated it, and gave the orders.
Beyond that, those who add more to it, and bring other things into it, and are bigots,
and on and on, doesn't really matter one way or another, it still happened, and it
would be a shame if one day in the future, people actually wondered 'if it happened
or not', and a balance has to be arrived at, to offset those who are trying to erase history
because of their own hatred of the jews, and if that continues without any challenge and
correction, then eventually, maybe there will be more questions than answers, and that
would be 'sad' and 'disrespectful' to all of those who died, and had families and loved ones
who died at that time under those conditions.

"Beyond that, those who add more to it, and bring other things into it, and are bigots,
and on and on, doesn't really matter one way or another, it still happened, and it"

I quite literally and quite obviously cannot by virtue of your amply displayed logical deficencies inform you how utterly stupid this statement of yours is. What you suggest is that all investigation to further expand the body extant of history should be suspended lest the determinations of the living disturb those of the dead.

 

[talloola]

"Beyond that, those who add more to it, and bring other things into it, and are bigots,
and on and on, doesn't really matter one way or another, it still happened, and it"

I quite literally and quite obviously cannot by virtue of your amply displayed logical deficencies inform you how utterly stupid this statement of yours is. What you suggest is that all investigation to further expand the body extant of history should be suspended lest the determinations of the living disturb those of the dead.

The bodies were found, dug up, they had been gassed, or other methods of murder or starvation,there is documentation, whatever is not
completely accurate doesn't change that, I have seen miserable documentaries, I am not
one to be 100% suspicious that I am being lied to as you are, all the time, I can put 2 and 2 together.
You tell much about yourself by the, 'stupid' comment, you are just as rigid as the rest
of the bigots.
The more truth and facts 'some' are shown, the more they 'don't believe.
Go and feed your pigs, they are calling you.
By the time 'you' and your 'bigot' friends got through with the rest of us, there would have
been 'no' holocaust at all, and the history books would have been rewritten, and all of the
jew haters will have that contented smile on their faces, a they will feel victory.
You live in a paranoid world where you think you are the only honest nice guy, give your head
a shake.

 

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Lady of the Island will not be put off.....

 

[Vereya]

The idea is sensible and realistic, and doesn't matter what anyone thinks either way,
as far as their 'opinions' enter into it.
The children in the schools should know what 'did' happen and how it happened, and
yes, it was Hitler who initiated it, and gave the orders.

My original question still remains unanswered. Britain had nothing to do with Holocaust. And many other war-crimes and atrocities also did happen. Why exactly is Holocaust the only one covered in British schools?
It was Hitler who initiated it, and gave the orders, true. But who handed out the money to help Hitler come to power? Since children at school need to know how it happened, they will probably need to know this, as well.
And like I said, the wealthy and influential managed to escape. The ones who died were the less well-to-do ones. Doesn't look like total extermination to me, rather like weeding. As opposed to other countries, who did loose their best and strongest men in that war. Doesn't it make you think?

 

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Vereya,

Can you say " The United States of America"?

 

[Vereya]

Vereya,

Can you say " The United States of America"?

Sorry, don't think I get what you mean 8O

 

[talloola]

My original question still remains unanswered. Britain had nothing to do with Holocaust. And many other war-crimes and atrocities also did happen. Why exactly is Holocaust the only one covered in British schools?
It was Hitler who initiated it, and gave the orders, true. But who handed out the money to help Hitler come to power? Since children at school need to know how it happened, they will probably need to know this, as well.
And like I said, the wealthy and influential managed to escape. The ones who died were the less well-to-do ones. Doesn't look like total extermination to me, rather like weeding. As opposed to other countries, who did loose their best and strongest men in that war. Doesn't it make you think?

Don't have a clue, and what has that got to do with Hitler causing the jews to die by gassing
and other means.
How he came to power is a political question, and everyone who comes to power has to have
money behind them, whether they are good or bad, eg. Barrack Obama, had lots of money
behind him, supporting his campaign, so?
Those lessons would be difference lessons, the point is, hitler and the natzi group caused
the deaths of 6000 jews, and those who can't stand that fact, and won't accept it, create many
side stories to try to shoot that fact down, and it all boils down to the fact that they hate
the jews, so they want the facts changed for their own satisfaction.
I allready gave my view re: the wealthy and influencial.

 

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Germany was supported by American dollars to re-arm for WWII.

 

[talloola]

Germany was supported by American dollars to re-arm for WWII.

I suppose so, and history will prove that the u.s. supported many with their money for many
reasons, and later things changed, and they looked bad in the rear view mirror.
It still doesn't change the fact that hitler murdured the jews, invented the holocaust, I don't
care about all the political stuff, the u.s. didn't know he was going to do that, but he did do
it, and those are the facts, can't bring those dead people back.

 

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Just an observation.

IMO the U.S. knew about the plan for extermination.

 

[darkbeaver]

The bodies were found, dug up, they had been gassed, or other methods of murder or starvation,there is documentation, whatever is not
completely accurate doesn't change that, I have seen miserable documentaries, I am not
one to be 100% suspicious that I am being lied to as you are, all the time, I can put 2 and 2 together.
You tell much about yourself by the, 'stupid' comment, you are just as rigid as the rest
of the bigots.
The more truth and facts 'some' are shown, the more they 'don't believe.
Go and feed your pigs, they are calling you.
By the time 'you' and your 'bigot' friends got through with the rest of us, there would have
been 'no' holocaust at all, and the history books would have been rewritten, and all of the
jew haters will have that contented smile on their faces, a they will feel victory.
You live in a paranoid world where you think you are the only honest nice guy, give your head
a shake.

You take pride in your abilities to see the lie in religion but you are a faithfull believer nonetheless like the many others who worship at the holocaust alters. It's never been the acts commited agaist the Jews that I'v disputed, those acts remain a part of living historical research precisely because there is a need to understand history in it's entirety. It is that scholarly work which is the victim and the persecuted, that is the measure of the totalitarian control surrounding the holocaust. Thank all that's good that responsibility for progress in science and research does not rest in the hands of flat earthers like you. When you will not allow the questions you fear the truth in the answers.

 

[Vereya]

Don't have a clue, and what has that got to do with Hitler causing the jews to die by gassing
and other means.
How he came to power is a political question, and everyone who comes to power has to have
money behind them, whether they are good or bad, eg. Barrack Obama, had lots of money
behind him, supporting his campaign, so?
Those lessons would be difference lessons, the point is, hitler and the natzi group caused
the deaths of 6000 jews, and those who can't stand that fact, and won't accept it, create many
side stories to try to shoot that fact down, and it all boils down to the fact that they hate
the jews, so they want the facts changed for their own satisfaction.
I allready gave my view re: the wealthy and influencial.

Talloola...
20 million Russians died in the war against my people that Hitler had started. These were not the less fortunate, these were the youngest, the healthiest, the most intelligent men of that generation. 80 per cent of those who came back from the war alive, were psychologically and physically crippled. the next generations were born from those broken people.
3 million Cambodians were killed during the rule of Pol Pot.
8 hundred thousand people were killed in Ruanda as recently as 14 years ago.
Over 140 thousand people died in Hiroshima.
These are the examples that first come to my mind, without any thorough research. Are you trying to say that the deaths of six thousand Jews was a greater tragedy?

 

[Vereya]

Germany was supported by American dollars to re-arm for WWII.

Yes, I heard about George Bush's grandfather, but he was not the only one. There were also some large Jewish banking families who supported Hitler all along. This makes the talk of Holocaust rather... ummm... far-fetched?

 

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Well V,

It shudn't be that hard to comprehend. Even within the Jewish community there are a lot a factions and great animosity. Go fig.
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[darkbeaver]

Yes, I heard about George Bush's grandfather, but he was not the only one. There were also some large Jewish banking families who supported Hitler all along. This makes the talk of Holocaust rather... ummm... far-fetched?

Many rotten things were done to ordinary jews to ensure the Zionist colonization of Palestine. The greatest enemy of jews are zionists.

 

[Vereya]

Many rotten things were done to ordinary jews to ensure the Zionist colonization of Palestine. The greatest enemy of jews are zionists.

There's this strange thing about Jews. They do stand up for each other much more than any other peoples. and at the same time they are quite ready to sacrifice their own people... Quite a paradox...