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I was checking to see if you can take the same as you try to dish out. You handled it better than some would but if you left them out you wouldn't have to make needless posts, ... like this one I am replying to.
"Lets get back to the original topic."
Are you ever going to post an answer to the OP or is this your style of 'contributing'??
Ever notice that JC and the angels always wear robes while those being escorted into heaven are always wearing suits?
Just sayin'.
Do you have permission from the Watchtower Society to be reproducing their art work on line?
The only sin is the sin of self hatred. Guilt is a form of self hatred. Everything in life is a lesson. For some strange reason we only seem to learn anything from our miss-takes. We are here to learn and grow. Thomas Edison failed in his first 1000 attempts to make a light bulb. Does that count as 1000 sins? Everything in life is just that, attempts at getting it right.
There is no such thing as sin. Guilt is just a waste of time. It keeps us from being in the flow, keeps us from learning what we came here to learn. God/Universe nor anybody or thing is going to punish us for making mistakes. That is just a bunch of crap invented by control freaks to scare us into submission. I refuse to submit to tyrants. I'm too busy making mistakes.
Looking at the list in frnt of him I would say a suit doesn't seem to decrease the number of sins committed. You do know he has been wearing that same suit for 1,000 years.
As soon as the list is read out the 'charges' are filed as 'full discharge' and it comes a much needed change of clothes.
Re.19:8
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen,
clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Would you like me to point out the flaws or could you pick them out yourself after reading Hebrews 12?
I wonder where the WT got their pic from, mine came from this site.
SoulManna - Problem #2 - Sin's Penalty
Take a quick survey of all the courts in the world and add up all the cases still on their books and tell me again how sin is dead. BTW when sin is dead so is death.
Sin makes it a requirement to apologize to another for your own actions that were 'improper'.
That's from your god. Athe doesn't have Great White Throne Events. Your god does.
I'm not sure how many times I have to say it, but the Goddess is indifferent (omni-indifferent). She doesn't care enough to give gifts, nor does she require or ask for worship. Again, omni-indifferent.
The Goddess Athe did not create you in her own image. In fact, she did not create you at all. Your parents did, mostly likely, though don't ask her for answers, she doesn't care.
Well, if you want to be a sinner, that is your problem. There is no sin in my world, there is no heaven or hell and there is no psychopath to fry my ass. Being dead is like having a dead car. You discard it for a new one. And there is no need for books, priests or preachers because there is a connection to source. We have access to all knowledge. Believing in books and preachers disconnects us from the source. But if you need to be told how to be good, I feel sorry for your soul because you have abandoned it for an easy fix. That road leads down dark alleys, which might explain your fixation with all things wrong with the world.
I don't take anything seriously because I am not afraid of death. Life is an adventure. Life is good. All that you find sin or abominable is just ignorance of our own divinity. Sin is ignorance. Violence is ignorance. Harming another is ignorance. And lastly, judging others is ignorance. If you chose ignorance, that is your boat to row.
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I was talking about your God as being the 'giver' not you.
I would say I hope you and your God have a lovely time but why bother, as least mine left me a book to read and saying a few sincere words doesn't hurt if you want to 'test the water', I would seriously warn you to be careful what you ask for. You can ridicule this post all you want, the details were still 'fresh' as it was on day 1 even thought the pen didn't touch the paper for about 15 years. Reading since then is just trying to understand how the part below could even happen.
I started of with the Lord's Prayer and just as I was about to start my plea I got a vision that I was outside my body and saw myself, from the back and above, in a kneeling position with a mist a very short distance in front of me that obscured any further view.
I heard myself say "Master, I don't feel so good." A large hand came out of the mist and completely enclosed my body. This happened in a 'twinkling of an eye', I found myself enclosed in this hand and it scared me to no end because I struggled to be free of it's grasp but found I could move not even one little bit. This feeling of being scared lasted only for the briefest of moments.
What replaced it was the most peaceful feeling I have ever experienced, bar none, and to be quite truthful have not experienced that 'level' of peace since.
As soon as this wave of peace (meaning I was in the company of someone who cared for me much more than my words will ever be able to describe) overcame me the hand loosed it 'grip' on me and it opened and I found myself sitting on this palm facing the ends of the fingers and seeing further forward than that.
In front was a hallway, very tall and the walls were black. The walls were not smooth, but rather, had many indentations and sharp corners at these indentations. There was a faint light at each of these 'corners' and that was the only way I could tell the walls were not smooth, the rest was pitch black, I could see neither floor nor ceiling, only these faint corners.
We were moving down this hallway at a leisurely rate and as I was feeling very 'relaxed' I was going to change my sitting position so I had my hands behind my back and then I could lean back and rest on them. As I was leaning back one hand seemed to miss the expected surface that would support it and I ended up rolling to one side. I looked back to see what had 'gone wrong' and I observed a great hole in the palm of this hand. I immediately burst into tears and said with alarm "You've been hurt!"
I heard not a word but my tears left me and I spent the next few moments crawling around the hand, much like I did on the school-ground equipment when I was a small child.
This hallway had corners in addition to the indentations in that it was not straight as we have halls. We came around one corner and off to the right I could see a faint glow of light some distance down this other smaller hallway.
I asked "What's down there?" A voice (rather deep but very 'soothing') answered "You're not ready for this, but I will show you."
Off we went down this other hallway going around gently curving corners and the light got brighter with each corner we passed. In very short order we came out on a dusty,earthen path and I could see a sky. This path was rather narrow and had grass growing on either edge.
On the grass to the left there were several rabbits hopping around, a few bounds then they would stop and nibble the grass, a few more bounds, another nibble. Our presence did not disturb them in the least.
Just behind the rabbits, only a few yards from the path, was what I would best describe would be a three-wire barbed fence, not in the best of repair as the wire sagged a bit between the posts and none of the posts stood up properly but were tilted a bit at various angles.
A bit of distance from this was another fence made of planking, much like you would find around any farm that kept horses or cows, and behind were some farm buildings, house and small barn made of the same wood as the plank fence.
All the wood was very weathered but the condition of the buildings and fence would not warrant paint as this would be a waste because of their condition.
As I looked over at this scene I noticed several dogs in the yard. There was much running and yelping and much dust from all this activity. I could not determine if this activity was caused by our presence or not and if, in fact, the dogs were playing or it was a somewhat more serious matter they were involved in. The circles they made were small and done in quick fashion so in the short time I observed them they completed many circles.
The path we were on also had the gentle twists and turns like the hallways we had just came from did. We continued down this dusty path and came around another corner and came to a stop. The path ended here and was replaced by a large open space covered in lush grass, a short distance from us I could see gently rolling hill. I could see far enough to see three or four 'rows' of these hills, one behind the other. Very beautiful and serene but what was most astounding about these hills was that they were completely covered by people, standing so closely together that not one more person could have stood with them. There was a small open space between where the path ended and this large crowd stood, which is how I knew the grass was so lush.
On this grass, about midway between the end of the path and where the crowd started stood two people, one man, one woman. As remarkable as this whole scene was I was still even more astounded to see not one strand of hair on any of their heads, not one anywhere.
The two in front spoke no words but it was quite plain they were pleased to see 'Him'. No words were spoken to any from 'Him' either.
We turned and went back from where we had come from. Back into the little hallway till we turned left at the larger one.
We continued down this for some distance until we came to a doorway that was on our left.
I heard a voice say "This is a safe place for you."
The door opened and I went inside to a circular room about 50 steps in width. The room was decorated in many shades of brown and the 'outer wall' had shelves that went way round all filled with books. The middle had furnishings that matched the colors of the bookcases.
The door closed and I was alone.
I stood for a moment and went to the door and opened it just a crack. What I felt was sheer terror, and quickly re-closed the door and felt the terror was gone, as long as the door remained closed.
What was outside was not only terror but evil in that it had nothing good planned for me should I be foolish enough to open my door and go into the passage on my own.
I got up from laying down at point, it never happened again with this same intensity.
Speaking the truth is something promoted by the Bible, even if it goes against the 'popular vote'. You little story about a dead car would be you as being the car, God repairs all the vehicles He has ever created. If your wheels are out of balance (or whatever) then you simply have to wait for the mechanic. He's on His own clock rather than at your beck and call. (although that is an option)
I would say I hope you and your God have a lovely time but why bother, as least mine left me a book to read and saying a few sincere words doesn't hurt if you want to 'test the water', I would seriously warn you to be careful what you ask for. You can ridicule this post all you want, the details were still 'fresh' as it was on day 1 even thought the pen didn't touch the paper for about 15 years. Reading since then is just trying to understand how the part below could even happen.
I started of with the Lord's Prayer and just as I was about to start my plea I got a vision that I was outside my body and saw myself, from the back and above, in a kneeling position with a mist a very short distance in front of me that obscured any further view.
I heard myself say "Master, I don't feel so good." A large hand came out of the mist and completely enclosed my body. This happened in a 'twinkling of an eye', I found myself enclosed in this hand and it scared me to no end because I struggled to be free of it's grasp but found I could move not even one little bit. This feeling of being scared lasted only for the briefest of moments.
What replaced it was the most peaceful feeling I have ever experienced, bar none, and to be quite truthful have not experienced that 'level' of peace since.
As soon as this wave of peace (meaning I was in the company of someone who cared for me much more than my words will ever be able to describe) overcame me the hand loosed it 'grip' on me and it opened and I found myself sitting on this palm facing the ends of the fingers and seeing further forward than that.
In front was a hallway, very tall and the walls were black. The walls were not smooth, but rather, had many indentations and sharp corners at these indentations. There was a faint light at each of these 'corners' and that was the only way I could tell the walls were not smooth, the rest was pitch black, I could see neither floor nor ceiling, only these faint corners.
We were moving down this hallway at a leisurely rate and as I was feeling very 'relaxed' I was going to change my sitting position so I had my hands behind my back and then I could lean back and rest on them. As I was leaning back one hand seemed to miss the expected surface that would support it and I ended up rolling to one side. I looked back to see what had 'gone wrong' and I observed a great hole in the palm of this hand. I immediately burst into tears and said with alarm "You've been hurt!"
I heard not a word but my tears left me and I spent the next few moments crawling around the hand, much like I did on the school-ground equipment when I was a small child.
This hallway had corners in addition to the indentations in that it was not straight as we have halls. We came around one corner and off to the right I could see a faint glow of light some distance down this other smaller hallway.
I asked "What's down there?" A voice (rather deep but very 'soothing') answered "You're not ready for this, but I will show you."
Off we went down this other hallway going around gently curving corners and the light got brighter with each corner we passed. In very short order we came out on a dusty,earthen path and I could see a sky. This path was rather narrow and had grass growing on either edge.
On the grass to the left there were several rabbits hopping around, a few bounds then they would stop and nibble the grass, a few more bounds, another nibble. Our presence did not disturb them in the least.
Just behind the rabbits, only a few yards from the path, was what I would best describe would be a three-wire barbed fence, not in the best of repair as the wire sagged a bit between the posts and none of the posts stood up properly but were tilted a bit at various angles.
A bit of distance from this was another fence made of planking, much like you would find around any farm that kept horses or cows, and behind were some farm buildings, house and small barn made of the same wood as the plank fence.
All the wood was very weathered but the condition of the buildings and fence would not warrant paint as this would be a waste because of their condition.
As I looked over at this scene I noticed several dogs in the yard. There was much running and yelping and much dust from all this activity. I could not determine if this activity was caused by our presence or not and if, in fact, the dogs were playing or it was a somewhat more serious matter they were involved in. The circles they made were small and done in quick fashion so in the short time I observed them they completed many circles.
The path we were on also had the gentle twists and turns like the hallways we had just came from did. We continued down this dusty path and came around another corner and came to a stop. The path ended here and was replaced by a large open space covered in lush grass, a short distance from us I could see gently rolling hill. I could see far enough to see three or four 'rows' of these hills, one behind the other. Very beautiful and serene but what was most astounding about these hills was that they were completely covered by people, standing so closely together that not one more person could have stood with them. There was a small open space between where the path ended and this large crowd stood, which is how I knew the grass was so lush.
On this grass, about midway between the end of the path and where the crowd started stood two people, one man, one woman. As remarkable as this whole scene was I was still even more astounded to see not one strand of hair on any of their heads, not one anywhere.
The two in front spoke no words but it was quite plain they were pleased to see 'Him'. No words were spoken to any from 'Him' either.
We turned and went back from where we had come from. Back into the little hallway till we turned left at the larger one.
We continued down this for some distance until we came to a doorway that was on our left.
I heard a voice say "This is a safe place for you."
The door opened and I went inside to a circular room about 50 steps in width. The room was decorated in many shades of brown and the 'outer wall' had shelves that went way round all filled with books. The middle had furnishings that matched the colors of the bookcases.
The door closed and I was alone.
I stood for a moment and went to the door and opened it just a crack. What I felt was sheer terror, and quickly re-closed the door and felt the terror was gone, as long as the door remained closed.
What was outside was not only terror but evil in that it had nothing good planned for me should I be foolish enough to open my door and go into the passage on my own.
I got up from laying down at point, it never happened again with this same intensity.
Whatever floats you boat. God isn't going to punish you for it, that means your proof comes when it comes to all the others that also want proof before they would become believers.
Speaking the truth is something promoted by the Bible, even if it goes against the 'popular vote'. You little story about a dead car would be you as being the car, God repairs all the vehicles He has ever created. If your wheels are out of balance (or whatever) then you simply have to wait for the mechanic. He's on His own clock rather than at your beck and call. (although that is an option)
Now I think you're starting to get it. Indeed, why bother? The Goddess and I will never have a lovely time because She doesn't care about me. Why bother hoping for something that cannot happen.
Athe might have left a book had she cared, but as you know she doesn't care. What she did leave behind is evidence of her work. Look out into space and see the vast expanse of nothingness, the coming nothingness and your own oblivion when you die. No better evidence for the Goddess of Nothing than the ubiquity of nothingness in the universe. Your God created something from nothing, but that is looking at the chronology backwards. The universe is something becoming nothing. This is the mark of Athe, the Goddess of Nothing, the Goddess of Denial, the Omni-indifferent, the Great Neglecter, peace be upon her, or not because who cares?
And I don't need to fear what I ask from her because she'll never give it to me or even hear what I have to say. Asking would be a waste of time. It's Eris from whom you should fear asking things. She will always give you exactly the opposite of what you want. She's a real bitch.
Compared to most people I know. Most people would either refuse requests or acquiesce to them. Eris will just intentionally piss you off. She's a real ****-disturber.
In the good Samaritan parable were the ones who passed by condemned? Not that I know of. For knowing only a little about the Bible you certainly got the fire and brimstone and eternal punishment lodged in there. If you want to read some thing on your own try Hebrews 12, the ones being chastised are the ones who appear before God at Judgment Day. Do they appear to be chastised andf life goes on or chastised and then punished even more?
Next try reading Isaiah 65 with it in mind that the 'servants' are those who are alive on earth for the 1,000 years and the ones who are killed by Christ at His return. The 1,000 years is the time in the verses where there is a difference between the two groups. The ones killed are in hell, alive and in torment, all the others in death are 'asleep' so they are not under punishment. In that chapter the new earth is not the 1,000 years, it is what comes after Judgment Day. Last few verses in Re.20, chapter 21 is after that day and it is when the new earth is revealed. The ones alive for the 1,000 years live in that huge city and the who just come alive at Judgment Day are the ones in Isa.65 that are mentioned after the new earth is revealed, they do the building and such outside the city.
That being said, the judgment of the Nations in Matthew 25 is about Christians so we do have responsibilities. Planting mines for unsuspecting victims would not be included, that is who God will be after in your example.
God doesn't require me to go and rescue somebody who I see fall when in an area that has H2S, I am supposed to go and get the help (really if you fall in that zone, you're already dead, no sense in there being two bodies.
Next try reading Isaiah 65 with it in mind that the 'servants' are those who are alive on earth for the 1,000 years and the ones who are killed by Christ at His return. The 1,000 years is the time in the verses where there is a difference between the two groups. The ones killed are in hell, alive and in torment, all the others in death are 'asleep' so they are not under punishment. In that chapter the new earth is not the 1,000 years, it is what comes after Judgment Day. Last few verses in Re.20, chapter 21 is after that day and it is when the new earth is revealed. The ones alive for the 1,000 years live in that huge city and the who just come alive at Judgment Day are the ones in Isa.65 that are mentioned after the new earth is revealed, they do the building and such outside the city.
That being said, the judgment of the Nations in Matthew 25 is about Christians so we do have responsibilities. Planting mines for unsuspecting victims would not be included, that is who God will be after in your example.
God doesn't require me to go and rescue somebody who I see fall when in an area that has H2S, I am supposed to go and get the help (really if you fall in that zone, you're already dead, no sense in there being two bodies.
That sound you just heard was me fainting and falling. I'll take the complement even with the 'I really hate to' part and I will try not go to my head.