In matters like the holocaust the most accurate figures are the ones compiled closest to the time of the event as you have more witnesses, relatives etc. alive and with clearer minds. So I would think 1955 figures would still be fairly accurate.
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If you sit down and actually read the Red Cross report Mhz referenced. You will find all manner of errors, and reasons why their accounting is suspect.
It wasn't intentional. Just hindered by the fact that they didn't have as much as access as some people would like you to believe they did. Not even the Red Cross denies that. Just those that have hijacked their report for their own agenda's.
Well, that's sort of a problem there, Ger.... See, my baptism thing says Anglican, but I remember a lot more about United and I married a Catholic in a Presbyterian Church. I lost all that Sunday School BS about kind shepherds and persecuted Israel in a place called Golan Heights. That sort of made me question it all.
I can't call me atheist because I have faith that something looks out for me. Now, I like to call it luck. I once had less colourful adjectives for it. I believe there was a guy named Christ too. He dared to be different. They silenced him too ... but not the stories....
Off topic is a right you reserve just for yourself and others is it?? Notice the trail that starts with you leading off with off-topic comments that ends up with Jews and WWII being mentioned. So really take the beam out of your eye before trying to work on my vision.
"so, Duncan's the murderer capital of the commonwealth eh."
"Yes, the largest contributor to the murderfest between 1914 and 1918."
"They supported it, they are just as guilty as those that pulled the trigger. How many 15,16,17 year old German children were killed for the glory of king and country."
JLM "But I suppose it would have been OK to let Hitler continue killing Jews (and other minorities) in gas ovens?"
MHz "That is not what WWII was fought over, most accounts say they weren't aware of that aspect until very near the wars end. Try to get a few facts right."
For fear of insulting some people I really have to question you on this, with all due respect I would think the opinion expressed would be that of shepherds, fishermen, gatherers etc.
Or prevaricate. :lol:
You are the only one that can say whether you are Christian or not. If you believe that Christ is the Son of God, died on the cross for mankinds sins, was buried and then rose and ascended to heaven. Then you have the basic beliefs of Christianity. Neither myself, or MHZ, or Herald can say you are not.
What I am asking, is basically the same thing everyone asks when it comes to veterans, dead and alive, and remembrance. It appears to me though that it's a one way street. People are expected to respect one way, but respect is not required the other way.
You should study the book sometime for yourself. I'm not going to help you find anything specific but the ones you mention were given a 'task', that was one of being a Scribe to God, if you don't belive that, so what, maybe you are as naive about that books as you are about some things you assume you have accurate knowledge of.
So prove your theoiry or is that you whole proof right there in that one tiny statement. You promote you have some knowledge about certain things about events in and around WWII. The long article I left a link to by the Red Cross had an almost endless amount of info in it, if you read it one or two things would have stuck out, not one peep about the article, here is another one that is about something you promote as your base of facts. How many errors would the article below have in it?
The Nuremberg Trials (part 1)
The part below is from a link already posted, well short of the whole thing but it should give you something to rebuttal by providing a link, rather than some statement off the top of your head. I'm thinking you will pass on any meaningful reply that covers any point the two articles bring up that is against anything you hold as being a hard-fact.
'SIX MILLION' FALSEHOOD REJECTED
As for the fearful propaganda figure of the Six Million, Professor Rassinier rejects it on the basis of an extremely detailed statistical analysis. He shows that the number has been falsely established, on the one hand through inflation of the pre-war Jewish population by ignoring all emigration and evacuation, and on the other by a corresponding deflation of the number of survivors after 1945. This was the method used by the World Jewish Congress. Rassinier also rejects any written or oral testimony to the Six Million given by the kind of "witnesses" cited above, since they are full of contradictions, exaggerations and falsehoods. He gives the example of Dachau casualties, noting that in 1946, Pastor Niemöller reiterated Auerbach's fraudulent "238,000" deaths there, while in 1962 Bishop Neuhäusseler of Munich stated in a speech at Dachau that only 30,000 people died "of the 200,000 persons from thirty-eight nations who were interned there" (Le Drame des Juifs européen, p . 12). Today, the estimate has been reduced by several more thousands, and so it goes on. Rassinier concludes, too, that testimony in support of the Six Million given by accused men such as Höss, Hoettl, Wisliceny and Hoellriegel, who were faced with the prospect of being condemned to death or with the hope of obtaining a reprieve, and who were frequently tortured during their detention, is completely untrustworthy. Rassinier finds it very significant that the figure of Six Million was not mentioned in court during the Eichmann trial. "The prosecution at the Jerusalem trial was considerably weakened by its central motif, the six million European Jews alleged to have been exterminated in gas chambers. It was an argument that easily won conviction the day after the war ended, amidst the general state of spiritual and material chaos. Today, many documents have been published which were not available at the time of the Nuremberg trials, and which tend to prove that if the Jewish nationals were wronged and persecuted by the Hitler regime, there could not possibly have been six millions victims" (ibid, p. 125). With the help of one hundred pages of cross-checked statistics, Professor Rassinier concludes in Le Drame des Juifs européen that the number of Jewish casualties during the Second World War could not have exceeded 1,200,000, and he notes that this has finally been accepted as valid by the World Centre of Contemporary Jewish Documentation at Paris. However, he regards such a figure as a maximum limit, and refers to the lower estimate of 896,892 casualties in a study of the same problem by the Jewish statistician Raul Hilberg. Rassinier points out that the State of Israel nevertheless continues to claim compensation for six million dead, each one representing an indemnity of 5,000 marks.
Even with those beliefs the 2nd Law is right up there as being very important. The judgment of tha Nations (believer and non believer) in Matthew 25 is for 'Christians' alone. The 7 letters show there are two kinds, some that obey God and others that fall short. That is not atheists and others, this verse says who they are. Most Churches preach that if you join that Church you are guaranteed a spot in the 1,000 years. It's bull**** about having a spot in the 1,000 years, what isn't bull**** is that they will have a place in the Kingdom of God, everybody born had a non revokable ticket to get into the new earth. If you don't believe that show me something other than an opinion .
Lu.6:46
And why call ye me,
Lord,
Lord,
and do not the things which I say?
1Pe.4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us,
what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
1Pe'4:18
And if the righteous scarcely be saved,
where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
You think you are so ****ing smart answer the two questions in the two verses from Peter.
Keep your trap shut then, all the time.
You have more important things to do if you are still in the RCC anyway, clean out your own leaven.
1Co.5:6
Your glorying is not good.
Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
Find the verse that says I have to associate with liars, Newver mind your Church wouldn't be able to say this passage with a straight face.
1Co.5:9
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co.5:10
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world,
or with the covetous,
or extortioners,
or with idolaters;
for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co.5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company,
if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolater,
or a railer,
or a drunkard,
or an extortioner;
with such an one no not to eat.
1Co.5:12
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?
do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co.5:13
But them that are without God judgeth.
Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Of course.
How exactly is it intolerant though?
And I don't know what you did with the quotes but somehow it totally broke the forum. I keep trying to combine those two quote boxes but it's seemingly impossible.
The major differece being that YOU don't judge. The other two do.
But that won't stop the religion of atheists from lumping you in with them.
I'm so glad I grew out of that.
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Ya, that happens from time to time. I find prayer helps fix it, but doing a smudge over your puter works best...;-)And I don't know what you did with the quotes but somehow it totally broke the forum. I keep trying to combine those two quote boxes but it's seemingly impossible.
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Of course.
How exactly is it intolerant though?
And I don't know what you did with the quotes but somehow it totally broke the forum. I keep trying to combine those two quote boxes but it's seemingly impossible.
And neither do I