Reforming the United Nations

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Jay

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Nations United against Rights
Monday, May 28, 2001
By: Robert Tracinski

The United Nations is an organization in which dictatorships enjoy equal status with free nations.

On Friday, Secretary-General Kofi Annan met with congressional leaders to assuage their anger at America's ejection from the UN's Human Rights Commission. The meeting seems to have been a success; it looks as if Republicans in Congress will give up their attempt to block $244 million in UN dues.

Thus ended the only American response to an action that exposes the dangerous fraud at the heart of the United Nations.

Consider the meaning of the rights commission vote. The UN voted not to reappoint the United States to its seat on the commission--but in the same vote, it gave a seat to Sudan, a country that tolerates the practice of slavery.

What was the reason for this perverse decision? According to Joanna Weschler, the UN representative of Human Rights Watch, America lost the vote because "there has been a growing resentment toward the United States [because of] votes on key human rights standards, including opposition to a treaty to abolish land mines and to the International Criminal Court, and making AIDS drugs available to everyone." Translation: The complaint against America is that we did not agree to compromise our national defense, our national sovereignty and our property rights. In a similar vein, other diplomats have cited, as contributions to the UN's anti-American "grudge," the Bush administration's pursuit of a national missile defense and its opposition to international global-warming controls, which would require us to shut down American industry.
 

Jay

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Why doesn't the UN buy it and distribute it to everyone? Or any of the Dictator states loaded up with oil money?
 

darkbeaver

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RE: Reforming the United

I support reformation of the UN, and I support the formation and maintennance of a standing military force that belongs to the UN only. As a matter of fact that would be the only military force on the planet. To get to that global government, will require disarming the present military powers, stripping them right down to police forces only.Globalization requires the removal of the means of nations to conduct war. No nation should have a problem with this because it's democratic.
 

Jay

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People are dying because Sudan won't purchase the drug and give it to everyone. Maybe we could pin it on Iran...thay have lots of oil money.
 

Curiosity

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Stop confusing fact re the AIDS/HIV and U.S. contributions.

The U.S contribution is around $15 billion worldwide - and you claim they are "concerned" with funding of a military ???

Without the contributions the people of the U.S.A. make to the U.N. annually, they would cease to function as they do - even while they plot against the hand which lifts them from their miserable existence.

Regarding the U.S. and a U.N. military:

The U.N. actually toured U.S. bases and interviewed U.S. military to get them to sign on to a U.N. directed military force - still paid for by the U.S.A., but to take an oath of allegience to the U.N.

That is the last time I heard of any discussions about "military for the U.N." and it had nothing to do with money.

Discounting of course the thousands of U.S. troops on U.N. sponsored missions already around the world.....

DMZ zone - (repeat repeat repeat)... over 50 years of service to the U.N. by the United States military.
 

Jay

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DMZ zone - (repeat repeat repeat)... over 50 years of service to the U.N. by the United States military.

And not a word of thanks from anyone about it.
 

I think not

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Jay said:
DMZ zone - (repeat repeat repeat)... over 50 years of service to the U.N. by the United States military.

And not a word of thanks from anyone about it.

I'll beat them to the punch.

Thank the US for what? For UN sanctions on Iraq that killed 500,000 children?

The cookie cutter bombs that kill from a cowardly distance?

The bombing of Serbia? Libya?

The invasion of Grenada? Nicaragua?

School fo the Americas?

Capitalist greed?

Yes thank you.
 

Curiosity

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About four years ago...the U.N. held one of its annual six or seven gala events in Africa....

While these pretenders to the global thrones supped on delicacies and gourmet food, a few miles away the white farmers in Zimbabwe were being slaughtered...but it did not interfere with the festivities sponsored on "donations and obligations" to the United Nations.

They hold these events all over the world...every year....the cost alone could feed a small country for years.
 

Jersay

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I was heard reports from the last government that one or two reserve units could be apart of a U.N standing army.

America pays about 25% and it is decreasing each year while Germany, Japan and others have fees.

And don't forget if America leaves, it has all the fees that they need to pay just like Quebec has to if they leave Canada. :D
 

Jersay

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Wednesday Child, you complain that the U.S doesn't get any thanks for what they do.

The U.N doesn't get any thanks when they on U.N missions. Do you think they have big parades or something for U.N soldiers in these overseas missions.

The U.N goes about its business and when the mission they pack up and leave. There is no thanks involved in U.N missions as well as no thanks in U.S missions.
 

Curiosity

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Jersay

I know you are totally po'd with me now but believe me I wish what you are writing is fact.... it is not.....

The U.S. has monetary fees of which they pay 25% of the total U.N. membership fees .... how many nations belong... and the U.S. pays one-quarter? Think about it. And when the fees are withheld such as Clinton did a few years ago, they make it known to the world...the U.S. is a "bad guy"...

What I would like to point out to you Jersay is that the U.S. is also supplying equipment, medical needs, and military at posts on a global basis for U.N. missions....and the American people are paying for this in addition to the membership fee.

You really do not want the U.S. to fail and implode or fold inward or whatever you and Cortzzzzzzz wish.... life as you now enjoy it will change for all of us.
 

jimmoyer

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Even if you removed United States from the UN or
made United States disappear overnight, the real
sad fact is that the World and the UN would be no
more functional or dysfunctional or wasteful or
incompetent as it is now.

Europe had all the time in the world to get its
act together on the 9 year Balkans war and could
not make the ballsy decision to go in and stop
the wars.

There's nobody stopping any nation or group
of nations from getting a ballsy army on Sudan
and stop the Dafur disaster.

United States is the world's voodoo doll.
Stick it with pins, work the magic.

Live the fantasy.

Then sign up for a freshman course in hypocrisy.
 

Curiosity

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Jersay said:
Wednesday Child, you complain that the U.S doesn't get any thanks for what they do.

The U.N doesn't get any thanks when they on U.N missions. Do you think they have big parades or something for U.N soldiers in these overseas missions.

The U.N goes about its business and when the mission they pack up and leave. There is no thanks involved in U.N missions as well as no thanks in U.S missions.

Jersay - man you type fast!!! :wink:

Good - at least you are still talking to me.

You write I am complaining the U.S. gets no thanks....
That's is incorrect: I am upset that people are painting the U.S. as the frankenstein of our modern world and overlook the good they do on a daily basis for countries all over the world. They don't need thanks because their own people thank them all the time.
They would appreciate factual reporting of their work however.
The press do not like the military. It makes good sales because the print medium is fading from our world.

You write the U.N. does not get thanks for all the missions the do around the world.
Jersay - they are sadly lacking in public relations and when they do have a splashy event, the only let the "public-type media" provide the publicity.... their own website is ridiculous as it is filled with
puffery and pontification rather than real down and dirty fact.

I would rather see a U.N. Today Blog with a gutsy writer who absolutely makes my hair stand on end as to what they are doing internationally..... but they are as I said "pretenders to the throne" adopting some kind of magnificant aloof sophistication far removed from the real world....which makes for terrible or non-existent public information.

They should try letting us in on some of the huge missions filled with horror and savagery they really do perform. The world would take note.

All we ever see is "Women's Rights Conferences".... "Human Rights Conferences"....when people are dying of hunger and illness....
except the conferees slogging down fine wine, eating the groceries for a village for a year.... and dressed like rock stars!!!!
All self-congratulating as to their wonderful work!

Bah...I apologize....I will slink away now having made an enemy!
 

darkbeaver

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Re: RE: Reforming the United Nations

Jay said:
People are dying because Sudan won't purchase the drug and give it to everyone. Maybe we could pin it on Iran...thay have lots of oil money.
Sudans only pharmaseutacle plant was destroyed by American bombing ordered by Clinton, they still have not paid the owner.
 

Said1

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Re: RE: Reforming the United Nations

darkbeaver said:
Jay said:
People are dying because Sudan won't purchase the drug and give it to everyone. Maybe we could pin it on Iran...thay have lots of oil money.
Sudans only pharmaseutacle plant was destroyed by American bombing ordered by Clinton, they still have not paid the owner.

That's technically Bin Laden's fault, for not being there.
 

Curiosity

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Jay

Good link - in my throes of paranoia about the U.N., sometimes I feel they are way too close within the U.S. to be comfortable having them here.

I do not trust many of the members now and they abuse the kindness of the New York people who pay for their discourtesies and misuse of the New York facilities as well with their freeloading ways.

And that's not even serious stuff. It is like giving a room in our home to an enemy.