Rebels take jihad lessons in Pakistan

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Mullah Mohammed Zaher, left, and Mullah Janan are shown during an interview in Kandahar, Afghanistan, on June 20.

http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/World/1064540.html

A FORMER TALIBAN fighter has provided a gripping first-hand account of being secretly trained by members of the Pakistani military, paid $500 a month and ordered to kill foreigners in Afghanistan.

Mullah Mohammed Zaher offered a vivid description of a bomb-making apprenticeship at a Pakistani army compound where he says he learned to blow up NATO convoys.

He’s one of three former Taliban fighters introduced to The Canadian Press by an Afghan government agency that works at getting rebels to renounce the insurgency.

Zaher insists he was neither forced to go public with his story nor coached by Afghan officials, whose routine response to terrorism on their soil is to blame neighbouring Pakistan.

Pakistan officially sides with the West against the insurgents and vigorously denies mounting accusations that it is a two-faced participant in the war on terror.

A report produced for the Pentagon and released this month by the Rand Corp., a U.S. think-tank, claims individuals in the Pakistani government are involved in helping the insurgents.

An illiterate, career warrior, Zaher has not seen the 177-page report. But he made a series of claims in a 90-minute interview that supported its broad conclusions — and offered a deluge of new details.

He described how men in khaki army fatigues housed, fed, paid and finally threatened insurgents into carrying out attacks on foreign troops.

Perhaps most startling of all was his description of the repeated warning from Pakistani soldiers about where trainees would be sent if they refused to fight: Guantanamo Bay.

He said there was an inside joke among insurgents whenever the Pakistanis turned over a high-profile rebel to the Americans for detention at the U.S.-run prison camp in Cuba.

"Whenever we heard on the news that Pakistan caught a Taliban commander, we used to say: ‘He stopped obeying them’," Zaher said through a Pashto-language interpreter.

Two other former insurgents interviewed by The Canadian Press said they were aware of colleagues being trained in Pakistan, but said such fighters were part of an elite minority.

Mullah Janan said he heard that some of his Taliban comrades had received training in Pakistan, with many more receiving shelter or medical treatment across the border.

When infighting broke out between Taliban factions, Janan said, mediators from Pakistan even came across the border to help settle the dispute.

Zaher said he was among the elite.

He said he arrived in 2003 for his first of several training sessions at a walled military compound in the Nawakilli area outside Quetta, Pakistan.

He said he was greeted warmly by men in military fatigues, introduced to his fellow trainees and taken to a single-storey white building where for the next 20 days he would eat, sleep and learn the finer points of waging jihad.

On his first day there he quietly sipped tea and gobbled down a hearty meal of chicken curry, and said he was brought to a classroom the next morning.

He said he remembers only the last name of the man in the khaki uniform, Khattak, who presided over the orientation session.

The man told his pupils their homeland had been invaded again by non-Muslims, just as it had been by the Soviets in the 20th century and the British in the 19th.

Zaher said the group was told that the infidels had been stopped before and they must be stopped again.

"You are supposed to get good training here — and you are supposed to go and kill them there," Zaher recalled being told.

"We have to kick their asses out of Afghanistan and send them back to their own country . . . We have to fix mines for them, destroy them and get them out of Afghanistan."

Zaher said he learned to produce a variety of explosives. They ranged from a crude bomb with wiring and fertilizer stuffed into a plastic jug, to more sophisticated remote-contolled devices.

"I can even make a bomb by buying stuff at the bazaar — for $10."

Zaher said he attended three sessions at the compound, lasting from 20 days to two months.

A half-dozen trainees would sleep on the floor in a common dormitory in the single-storey white building, he said.

On a typical day, they had breakfast at 10 a.m., lunch at 2 p.m., and spent every other waking hour learning how to kill foreigners.

Zaher said he doesn’t know how many soldiers died from the bombs he planted on roads in Zhari, Panjwaii, Khakrez and Maywand districts of Kandahar province. And he said he has no idea whether the vehicles he blew up were Canadian, American or British.

He showed no remorse.

On the contrary, his dark eyes softened, his smile sparkled and his nasally voice quivered with excitement as he listed the places where he had ended enemies’ lives.

"Sure, I’ve killed many foreigners," he said. "I was very happy when I killed people. That was supposed to be my task — and it made me very happy."

Zaher said he doesn’t know much about Canada except that it’s a foreign country.

The Canadian military began moving operations from Kabul to Kandahar in August 2005, initially establishing a provincial reconstruction team. By February 2006, some 2,000 Canadian troops had arrived and taken charge of security in Kandahar province.

Zaher said he left the insurgency about two-and-a-half years ago — around the time the Canadians entered Kandahar in force.

He wanted to come back home.

Upon being offered amnesty under the Afghan government’s reconciliation program, he crammed his family and a few possessions into their Mazda minivan, rolled out of Pakistan in the middle of the night and moved into Kandahar city’s District Six.

Zaher has since trimmed his once-bountiful beard and turfed his turban in favour of a white skull cap.

But he eagerly showed off old pictures of himself holding rocket launchers, AK-47 assault rifles and dressed in trademark Taliban garb.

Zaher said he was a district commander outside the capital under the former Taliban regime in Afghanistan. After the Taliban were ousted by U.S.-led forces in the aftermath of Sept. 11, 2001, he returned to Kandahar and struggled to adapt to the changed life.

He said he grew tired of being harassed, threatened and extorted by corrupt officials in the new Afghan government.

Like many of his friends, he fled to Pakistan in 2003.

Almost immediately upon arriving in Quetta, he said he received phone calls from his old allies offering him a lucrative opportunity to work with the Pakistanis.

He called them generous employers.

They gave him a motorbike and later upgraded it to the minivan. He said he lived in a rent-free house in Quetta big enough to accommodate him, his wife and their 10 children.

And he said he could ask anytime for an advance of up to three months on his salary.

Because he was illiterate, Zaher said the soldier who handed over the cash accepted an ink thumbprint as proof of payment.

But the generosity came with strings attached.

He was expected to spend about half the year fighting in Afghanistan.

If he wanted to see his family in Pakistan, he had to find someone to replace him in Afghanistan. It was like shift work. "He would come from Pakistan, replace me, and I would go home to Quetta. It was very important for me to find a replacement."

There was another catch.

Each time he received his payment, and every time he went for training, soldiers would remind him about what happened to trainees who refused to fight in Afghanistan.
"‘If you don’t go there, you will go to Guantanamo’," Zaher said.

The Pakistani government has strongly denied allegations that hardline Islamist factions within its security forces have been helping the Taliban.



A.R. Khan, a Kandahar-based journalist, did additional reporting and provided translation during the interviews.

Mullah Mohammed zaherFormer Taliban fighter trained in Pakistan. This is the first of four Canadian Press stories based on interviews with former Taliban rebels.

Well there you have it.... from the horse's mouth.... The US is giving billions of dollars to Pakistan, and in turn, Pakistan is keeping the Taliban strong and sending them off to continue the war the US wants..... fk'n sick.

Who's the real terrorists in this situation? I got money on the idiots who started this whole pile of Sh*t we're in in the first place...... the US.

By their own standards, if you help the terrorists, then you're the enemy. The US and Pakistan are helping the Taliban in which we're supposed to be fighting for them in the first place, and as such, they are terrorists too, and thus, they are the enemy.

What a nice job our government did in staying out of this pile of crap.
 

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Mullah Mohammed Zaher, left, and Mullah Janan are shown during an interview in Kandahar, Afghanistan, on June 20.

http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/World/1064540.html



Well there you have it.... from the horse's mouth.... The US is giving billions of dollars to Pakistan, and in turn, Pakistan is keeping the Taliban strong and sending them off to continue the war the US wants..... fk'n sick.

Who's the real terrorists in this situation? I got money on the idiots who started this whole pile of Sh*t we're in in the first place...... the US.

By their own standards, if you help the terrorists, then you're the enemy. The US and Pakistan are helping the Taliban in which we're supposed to be fighting for them in the first place, and as such, they are terrorists too, and thus, they are the enemy.

What a nice job our government did in staying out of this pile of crap.

Are you losing it?

Why would the USA WANT war in Afghanistan? That is simply nonsensical. I mean, at least the idea they invaded Afghanistan simply to support the building of a pipeline is, in the broadest possible sense, feasible. Completely untrue, but at least feasible.........but this?

Why would they support an insurrection against their own forces, especially one that would make their (imagined) goal of a pipeline more difficult, if not impossible?

Try to focus...........

Can you explain this.......silliness?

BTW, we are in Afghanistan up to our nose.....in case you hadn't noticed.

Smoking pretty heavy this morning? TGIF!!!!!!
 

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Are you losing it?

Are you?

In fact, have you ever found it to begin with?

Why would the USA WANT war in Afghanistan? That is simply nonsensical. I mean, at least the idea they invaded Afghanistan simply to support the building of a pipeline is, in the broadest possible sense, feasible. Completely untrue, but at least feasible.........but this?

Why would they support an insurrection against their own forces, especially one that would make their (imagined) goal of a pipeline more difficult, if not impossible?

Try to focus...........

Can you explain this.......silliness?

Very simply, yes, and I'll word it in simple terms for you to understand:

Bush is a racist, money grabbing, power hungry, legacy-junkie, neo-christian fanatic who only thinks about himself and those who fills his pockets with money.

A few Low income, minority Americans are sent off to die based on a lie? No worries for him, saves the country on more money overall since they won't be getting unemployment anymore. It's a great way to rid himself of the undesirables for his new dictatorship.

Granted, Pakistan is more responsible for this fueling of the Taliban then the US, but the US is the bank for the Pakistan Government it would seem, so they are an acomplice..... of course the US won't do jack sh*t about what Pakistan did with their money, because Pakistan has nukes..... that's why he went after Afghanistan rather then Pakistan..... where Bin Ladin was the whole time.... because Afghanistan was an easy target.

BTW, we are in Afghanistan up to our nose.....in case you hadn't noticed.

Did I not just say that above in relation to our government getting us into this sh*t storm? Read next time.

Smoking pretty heavy this morning? TGIF!!!!!!

Hey you know something? The moment you actually start posting some actual resources or facts to back up your own insane concepts, I might give a sh*t in what you have to say..... until then you can attempt to insult me in any manner you wish, it makes no difference to me.

Of course I expected nothing less from you, considdering your so far up the US's ass you can tickle their nose hairs.
 

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Are you?

In fact, have you ever found it to begin with?

Always had it, only occassionally lost it, usually found it again in the morning.

Very simply, yes, and I'll word it in simple terms for you to understand:

Bush is a racist, money grabbing, power hungry, legacy-junkie, neo-christian fanatic who only thinks about himself and those who fills his pockets with money.

A few Low income, minority Americans are sent off to die based on a lie? No worries for him, saves the country on more money overall since they won't be getting unemployment anymore. It's a great way to rid himself of the undesirables for his new dictatorship.

Congratulations! You just won the prize for the most idiotic paragraphs posted seriously on CC this week. The competition was tough, but you win hands down

Granted, Pakistan is more responsible for this fueling of the Taliban then the US, but the US is the bank for the Pakistan Government it would seem, so they are an acomplice..... of course the US won't do jack sh*t about what Pakistan did with their money, because Pakistan has nukes..... that's why he went after Afghanistan rather then Pakistan..... where Bin Ladin was the whole time.... because Afghanistan was an easy target.

Bin Laden FLED to Pakistan.............and the US being double-crossed by some members of the Pakistani Gov't was lethally stupid of them, but it hardly makes them responsible for the Taliban.



Did I not just say that above in relation to our government getting us into this sh*t storm? Read next time.

No, you read,

Praxius said:
What a nice job our government did in staying out of this pile of crap



Hey you know something? The moment you actually start posting some actual resources or facts to back up your own insane concepts, I might give a sh*t in what you have to say..... until then you can attempt to insult me in any manner you wish, it makes no difference to me.

Of course I expected nothing less from you, considdering your so far up the US's ass you can tickle their nose hairs.

oooooooo

Somewhat pissy, are we?

Try to regain control, then maybe I can take you seriously.

But I doubt it.
 

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Praxius, your posts are extra full of fail today.

When it is obvious to all casual observers, that you are in an apoplectic spittle flecked rage as you hammer at the keyboard with two fingers, you have failed as a successful troll.
 

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Always had it, only occassionally lost it, usually found it again in the morning.


Well there you go.

Congratulations! You just won the prize for the most idiotic paragraphs posted seriously on CC this week. The competition was tough, but you win hands down


Why thank you for such an educated opinion.... however if I responded with any further sarcasm the fabric of time and space would rip, so I'll end that fun there. Once again... refute with some actual substance or stop wasting my time.

Bin Laden FLED to Pakistan.............and the US being double-crossed by some members of the Pakistani Gov't was lethally stupid of them, but it hardly makes them responsible for the Taliban.


Well unless you can refute the claims above in the original article with some factual wisdom you are holding inside that little nugget of yours, by all means, I am willing to stand corrected. Until then.....

No, you read,
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Quote: What a nice job our government did in staying out of this pile of crap


Yar, and what's your point? I've always said we shouldn't have gotten into this crap from the start, unfortunatly we're in this pile of crap now, and now our soldiers are being killed by forces funded by our own allies. The only thing that kept me on the side of actually staying there is for humanitarian reasons for the people of Afghanistan. but if our own allies are willing to undermine our goals, then wtf is the point in being there?

oooooooo

Somewhat pissy, are we?

Try to regain control, then maybe I can take you seriously.

But I doubt it.

I have full control over what I am saying and what I am typing, and what I say, I mean. I haven't even begun to become pissy. I'm only reflecting the attitude you threw at me from the get go.... you created the situation, you can deal with it. If you responded in a decent and mature manner, I would have responded in a decent, mature manner..... if you don't, then I won't. It's very simple to understand.
 

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Praxius, your posts are extra full of fail today.

When it is obvious to all casual observers, that you are in an apoplectic spittle flecked rage as you hammer at the keyboard with two fingers, you have failed as a successful troll.

If I felt I wanted to be the champion troll in here, I could reference plenty of people already fluent in the trade within these forums, such as yourself, considdering you didn't even respond to the topic in question and decided to jump into something that didn't even relate to you.

Oh wait, I guess I didn't speak kindly of the US, so that explains your desire to try and insult me...... nothing new, let alone exciting. If you can't handle the topic and what's being said, then don't post in it.

Oh and the last time I ever typed with two fingers was back at the age of 8 on the Commadore 64, if I didn't learn to type with all my fingers, then I wouldn't be able to type as many words to anger you in the time I do. Deal with it.

Now, do you have anything worthwhile to say in regards to the topic, or did you just come in to express your superior trolling ways?

Here, you seem to require some education on what a Troll really is:

"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion."

Since I'm not, nor have yet to respond in any emotional manner to your posts, in which you attempted to make me by such a trivial response as above, and since I at least have attempted to stay on the original topic, and the fact that I have to repeat to you to stay on topic, who's the real troll here?

Get some education.
 

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Mullah Mohammed Zaher is shown during an interview in Kandahar, Afghanistan, Friday, June 20, 2008. Zaher offered a vivid description of a bomb-making apprenticeship at a Pakistani army compound.


Mullah Janan is shown during an interview in Kandahar, Afghanistan, Friday, June 20, 2008. Janan said he heard that some of his Taliban comrades had received training in Pakistan, with many more receiving shelter or medical treatment across the border.

Former Taliban fighters explain why they took up arms
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...press_talibanintvus_080629/20080629?hub=World

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan -- For some Taliban fighters, killing foreign soldiers was nothing more than a steady job that offered cold, hard cash.

For Mullah Janan, it was all about hot-blooded revenge.

The bushy-bearded farmer with the towering turban and vacant stare was among three former Afghan insurgents who spoke with The Canadian Press about why they took up arms against foreigners.

Janan says he has always supported the Taliban politically, with its stern interpretation of Islam and iron-fisted grip on security.

He grew up in Oruzgan province just north of Kandahar, not far from the village where Taliban founder Mullah Omar was born.

He blames a NATO bombing of his village for destroying his life -- and for compelling him to fight.

"I lost my wife and children," Janan says, speaking softly and staring blankly across the room.

"Even before this operation, I supported the Taliban. But this was the key point that made me a more committed Talib, and made me declare war against these people."
Janan remained a lowly foot soldier.

He says he never dabbled in explosives, military strategy or anything more sophisticated than firing an AK-47 assault rifle at foreign troops.

He replies coyly when asked whether he killed anyone. But he offers a dismissive shrug when asked whether killing foreigners would have been wrong.

"I might have killed several people," he responds with a tight smile. "If two people quarrel with each other or fight, something happens."

War is a skilled trade

Something has been happening around another former Taliban, Mullah Mohammed Zaher, for much of his adult life.

At first glance, Zaher hardly cuts an imposing figure with a squeaky high-pitched voice, expressive eyes, neatly pressed clothing and a delicately trimmed beard.

But those eyes narrow when he is asked what he does for a living -- does he have a trade?

After an awkward pause, he's asked again: "Are you a farmer, like Mullah Janan?"
Zaher's eyes light up.

He has understood the question and replies: killing enemies is the only livelihood he's ever had.

"I was very happy when I killed people," he says, a sentimental smile slowly creeping across his face. "That was supposed to be my task and it made me very happy."

There's another twinkle in his eye when asked whether his main goal had been targeting enemy troops or destroying their multimillion-dollar equipment such as tanks.
"I was interested in killing people," he says, smiling again.

Zaher is unemployed now and living with relatives in a crammed house in Kandahar city's District Six.

Until recently, he killed NATO soldiers. Before that, he killed rivals during Afghanistan's civil war in the 1970s, killed Soviets in the 1980s, killed more rivals during another civil war in the 1990s, and then killed enemies of the Taliban regime when he served as a district commander until 2001.

He's upset now.

He says Afghan officials promised him a house and money to leave the insurgency two years ago, but nobody has delivered.

Zaher says he might go back to his old job -- fighting as an insurgent -- if he can't find steady work within the next year.

He says he was getting paid $500 a month from people within the Pakistani military who also provided him with a motorbike and a rent-free house in Quetta, Pakistan.

He says he fled there from Kandahar in 2003 out of frustration. As a former Taliban, he says, he faced harassment and extortion from corrupt police, military and government officials under the new government headed by President Hamid Karzai.

Living allowances never delivered

A younger former Taliban, 30-year-old Mirza Akhun, tells a similar story of abuse from officials in the new government that pushed him to join the insurgency.

Both he and Zaher say it was the promise of a house, a living allowance and the ability to live peacefully in Kandahar that lured them into abandoning the insurgency. They complain that the promises have not been kept.

While their reasons for fighting were as vastly different as their rank within the insurgency, Janan and Zaher share one thing in common: they know nothing about Canada.

"I know it is a country," Zaher says. "I have never been there. I do not know much about it, except for the name."

It's unlikely that either killed a Canadian soldier. Janan says he fought outside Kandahar, and Zaher says he stopped blowing up NATO convoys in the winter of 2005-06 -- around the time Canadians entered Kandahar province in force.

Zaher says he killed many NATO soldiers with the bombs the Pakistanis taught him to build.

At first he refuses to describe those bombs to a Canadian journalist out of fear he would reveal too much to the enemy. "Your military will steal my secrets," he says.

He is assured that the Canadian military has far superior weaponry and no interest in planting improvised explosive devices around Afghanistan.

Only then does Zaher hesitantly begin explaining how, with $10 worth of plastic jugs, electrical wiring and fertilizer, he can blow up an enemy vehicle.

He says he was also taught in Pakistan how to build more sophisticated remote-controlled bombs.

Around this time, Janan stands up, excuses himself and leaves the room to pray. On his way out the door, he grumbles at a local official that the interview has wasted his entire afternoon.

Zaher is asked why he joined the Taliban in the first place.

During a 90-minute interview he mentioned the salary, the motorbike, the free house, the harrassment from Afghan officials and even the quality of the curry he was served on a Pakistani military compound.

But why did he join the Taliban in the first place?

"There was a religious component," he says.

"We were fighting for Islam."
 

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That entire region was tribal long before any political lines were drawn on a map. Inter-people alliances will always remain - irrespective of any outsider-imposed border. England never learned it. Russia never learned it. America won't be taught either. The west has to respect if they want respect - otherwise we deserve all the stone-age hell they'll show us.
 

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The militants story sounds credible. The Pakistani military trained and armed the Taliban during the 1980s with US support. The goal then was to remove foreigners from Afghanistan. Many in Pakistan's military probably don't differentiate between foreign occupiers.

If this story is true then its likely the American military is aware some US funding ends up training/arming militants who fight against them. The US could insist Pakistan's military search their ranks for Taliban iniltrators, but if Taliban infiltration goes to the highest levels, the search would be theatrical at best.